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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 8, 2021 23:32:16 GMT -5
“Doing less” in this context means not relying on difficult shots all the time just because he’s capable of making them. It means making the simple, non-flashy pass, moving without the ball, and then getting it back after a few passes for an easier shot. And it means making a simple pass to set up the assist (aka the hockey assist). In this context, Tatum absolutely needs to work on doing less for next season. It will make the team better, and ultimately it will make his life easier in the process. It’s great to be able to make difficult fadeaways with a hand in your face when you need to, but too often he’s settling for those types of shots instead of keeping the ball moving. He’s not the first young star to have this problem, and he won’t be the last - it’s just part of his growth as a player. I don’t disagree - but that’s him being a better player. So if you consider playing team ball being better, you think Tatum is playing worse this year? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 8, 2021 23:44:46 GMT -5
God I wish the Celtics had drafted Pokusevski. He was literally right there at the Nesmith pick and he's a massive wing who can shoot and playmake at 19. He's going to be special. He would be a perfect 10-15 minute a game guy for us right now. If you want him for the future okay, yet he's crazy raw. He wouldn't get any playing time for us and he certainly wouldn't be getting the opportunities he's currently getting to produce the stats that are making you think he'd help us. Looking at the Lineup tonight is crazy, Nesmith might be the best player on that team right now. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 9, 2021 5:38:53 GMT -5
I don’t disagree - but that’s him being a better player. So if you consider playing team ball being better, you think Tatum is playing worse this year? In some ways Tatum has been better in some maybe not. But yes, I think if you are playing better basketball then you are a better player. Overall, I see a young player who’s figuring things out and is still on an upward trajectory. This isn’t NBA2k (is this still a game?), you don’t get grades at different attributes and they get set and then certain things go up. Parts of your game ebb and flow as you figure stuff out. Simple example, I feel like he was a more consistent defender last year (same with Jaylen) but as they carry more offense it’s hard to do both for 48 minutes - learning to turn it on and off is hard. They are probably battling some of that. Same with being a playmaker - versus being the scorer versus playing within the offense. This is all nuanced, difficult stuff. Tatum’s passing is way better this year. He needs to figure out the balance of how and when to do all these things most effectively. In short he needs to be a veteran and he’s not yet. He will get there. |
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Post by mobaz on Apr 9, 2021 7:33:16 GMT -5
I like these graphs by Goldsberry. He does them every few weeks. I'm kind of shocked it's the offense holding the team back more than defense. No one in the East is excelling in both. Update: The offensive Efficiency has actually come around. Defense plummeted. Not a surprise, except the moves they made won't help that so much. Hoping Smart gets back up to speed and can be a defensive anchor and "Don't Google" Fournier takes some of his touches on offense. /photo/1 /photo/1 Defensive efficiency has improved markedly, though "Slightly above average" is not where this team needs to be. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 9, 2021 10:52:58 GMT -5
So if you consider playing team ball being better, you think Tatum is playing worse this year? In some ways Tatum has been better in some maybe not. But yes, I think if you are playing better basketball then you are a better player. Overall, I see a young player who’s figuring things out and is still on an upward trajectory. This isn’t NBA2k (is this still a game?), you don’t get grades at different attributes and they get set and then certain things go up. Parts of your game ebb and flow as you figure stuff out. Simple example, I feel like he was a more consistent defender last year (same with Jaylen) but as they carry more offense it’s hard to do both for 48 minutes - learning to turn it on and off is hard. They are probably battling some of that. Same with being a playmaker - versus being the scorer versus playing within the offense. This is all nuanced, difficult stuff. Tatum’s passing is way better this year. He needs to figure out the balance of how and when to do all these things most effectively. In short he needs to be a veteran and he’s not yet. He will get there. I agree with a lot of it. I think the D is the schedule and roster, more than Tatum and Brown. Offense is up across the NBA. Your starters can't play great D all season when you play five games in seven days. We've lacked depth, injuries and Covid has killed us. Young players certainly go up and down. I'm just saying Tatum isn't ready to act like the primary creator at the level he does for stretches and he's trying to do to much. That can be fixed by Steven's not allowing Tatum to act like a primary creator and having him not do so much iso. Certain situations call for Tatum iso, nothing like what were seeing. You take that as I think he needs to be better. I see it as coaching can make him instantly better by having him do less and playing team ball. Heck even if you say you need him to do some of that, how about running plays and not just giving him the ball at the three point line? That crap isn't just Tatum, a bunch of this is on Steven's. Do some of what the Heat do with Butler, clear out a side and let him work in the low post. Get creative, way too much of Tatum trying to go one versus five from the three point line. During the Heat series Steven's added cutting because the Heat were so good with that. I really don't see Tatum having to become a better player to help the team, he just needs to be used differently. He needs better coaching and plays. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 9, 2021 13:43:33 GMT -5
In some ways Tatum has been better in some maybe not. But yes, I think if you are playing better basketball then you are a better player. Overall, I see a young player who’s figuring things out and is still on an upward trajectory. This isn’t NBA2k (is this still a game?), you don’t get grades at different attributes and they get set and then certain things go up. Parts of your game ebb and flow as you figure stuff out. Simple example, I feel like he was a more consistent defender last year (same with Jaylen) but as they carry more offense it’s hard to do both for 48 minutes - learning to turn it on and off is hard. They are probably battling some of that. Same with being a playmaker - versus being the scorer versus playing within the offense. This is all nuanced, difficult stuff. Tatum’s passing is way better this year. He needs to figure out the balance of how and when to do all these things most effectively. In short he needs to be a veteran and he’s not yet. He will get there. I agree with a lot of it. I think the D is the schedule and roster, more than Tatum and Brown. Offense is up across the NBA. Your starters can't play great D all season when you play five games in seven days. We've lacked depth, injuries and Covid has killed us. Young players certainly go up and down. I'm just saying Tatum isn't ready to act like the primary creator at the level he does for stretches and he's trying to do to much. That can be fixed by Steven's not allowing Tatum to act like a primary creator and having him not do so much iso. Certain situations call for Tatum iso, nothing like what were seeing. You take that as I think he needs to be better. I see it as coaching can make him instantly better by having him do less and playing team ball. Heck even if you say you need him to do some of that, how about running plays and not just giving him the ball at the three point line? That crap isn't just Tatum, a bunch of this is on Steven's. Do some of what the Heat do with Butler, clear out a side and let him work in the low post. Get creative, way too much of Tatum trying to go one versus five from the three point line. During the Heat series Steven's added cutting because the Heat were so good with that. I really don't see Tatum having to become a better player to help the team, he just needs to be used differently. He needs better coaching and plays. Ok that’s fine then let’s say the Steven’s is the issue |
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Post by homerdante on Apr 9, 2021 15:08:57 GMT -5
I keep thinking of Tatum's rookie year as I watch him struggle this year. He's such a pure shooter. The way he was used year number one, was that wing 3-pt shooter role. Someone else created his shot for him. That really worked, because his shot is the best part of his game. His handle at this point is really a major weakness in his overall game. So to force him to be the creator at this phase of his career is rushing it a bit. I'd so much rather see him cutting and a good passer finding him. So much of the offense is standing still these days except for the pick and roll/pop guys. I miss more motion in offense off the ball.
If I'm trying to be fully objective, I have no idea how badly COVID has been for him. He's said even months later it's been a struggle. I see the absolute giving up on defense so much and for a max level player it makes me sick, but, I've also never watched a player with 85% lung capacity trying to make it happen every night. Maybe there is some cause to give him some additional slack on D. The handle stuff though...live with a basketball in your hands...there are so many handle drills it's easy to work into your life around the court. That's one area where JB is and has shown so much improvement is with his handle. His wasn't amazing when he hit the league, but it's gotten so much better, and his ability to adapt is vastly superior to Tatum's at present.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 9, 2021 19:08:59 GMT -5
Clown show of a team
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 9, 2021 19:26:32 GMT -5
There’s absolutely no reason to play Semi and Grant at the same time. Such a bad lineup by a coach who is lost.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 9, 2021 19:36:25 GMT -5
Worst tech call in the history of the NBA
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 9, 2021 20:12:23 GMT -5
Man this game is so Celtics in 20/21 lol.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 9, 2021 20:48:42 GMT -5
NBA officiating is a disaster.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 9, 2021 20:56:25 GMT -5
8-0 Wolves run to make it a game, fuck this season.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 9, 2021 20:58:19 GMT -5
10-0 run.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 9, 2021 20:59:36 GMT -5
8-0 Wolves run to make it a game, fuck this season. When your coach insists on playing horrible lineups, these things tend to happen. He goes out of his way to not play his better big man. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 9, 2021 21:03:07 GMT -5
Oh good, so I get to suffer for 5 more minutes!
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 9, 2021 21:05:33 GMT -5
Tatum needs go off for nearly 50 points and the best we can get out of that is taking the Wolves to OT.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 9, 2021 21:18:42 GMT -5
LMAO Marcus Smart.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 9, 2021 21:23:36 GMT -5
Good win, I know I sounded negative but that was not BAD basketball from the 4th on. Tatum balled like a man on a mission. Smart continues to be such a weirdo, but I'm glad he's getting his shot back. Stevens needs to play RW3 more, it's pretty obvious he's the best big man they have like wcp mentioned. The next 3 games will be rough, if they manage to win one and stay at .500 it would be nice.
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Post by dyoungteach on Apr 9, 2021 22:04:40 GMT -5
I didn’t watch the game. Just saw the end score. Seriously overtime or not. I think anyways this is still a saying..
DEFENSE WIND GAMES
Doesn’t seem like there was much. Yikes
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 10, 2021 5:45:26 GMT -5
Perk and Scal were talking pregame about Rob Williams and they made some good points. Basically, as a starter Rob has to adjust his game whereas before Steven’s played him off the bench in favorable matchups and situations for him.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 10, 2021 6:06:34 GMT -5
“If it ever did get to that point — and I don’t think we’re quite there yet — when Danny gets to this offseason, he’s going to have to reevaluate where this roster is, and where it’s going,” Marks said. “Is it all COVID-related? Or do we just throw away this year, and how do we look at it going forward? www.audacy.com/weei/sports/celtics/bobby-marks-i-would-trade-jayson-tatum-over-jaylen-brownI recognize he says they aren’t there yet, but I fully reject this notion that these guys will need to be broken up. And it’s not just Marks... Gasper was talking about how they are too close in age to work together. Then brought up how Pierce needed the older Garnett. They are a year apart! Jesus man... people have lost than damn minds. Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum work well together, they compliment each other and they are 2 of the best players at the wing position, regardless of age 2’d they are still a couple years from their damn Primes. You’d have to be an idiot to break them up. |
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Post by cdj on Apr 10, 2021 7:11:26 GMT -5
Marks is still bitter about the Pierce/KG deal
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Post by ianrs on Apr 10, 2021 7:40:15 GMT -5
Tatum absolutely willed us to a win last night, superstar stuff. Doesn't matter if it's Wolves or not, that's what superstars do.
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Post by patford on Apr 10, 2021 8:48:13 GMT -5
The fact of the matter is the Celtics have drafted relatively poorly (I can't think of anyone that would be seen as a steal) and their free agent signings have been worse. The team has also had bad luck with injuries impacting both their big free agent signings as well as the development of some of the young players.
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