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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 7, 2021 6:17:45 GMT -5
Robert Williams gets every little ticky tac foul called against him, Embiid literally gets away with pushing Kornet off the court.
Kinda shocked that Steven's stayed with Kornet when he was getting abused and didn't go to Wagner.
A lot of the turnovers were them trying to pass and play team ball. They just have a ways to go.
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Post by mobaz on Apr 7, 2021 7:22:25 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 7, 2021 11:38:56 GMT -5
LaMelo ahead of Tatum is LMAO.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 7, 2021 19:19:20 GMT -5
This has been some of the worst officiating you’ll ever see. Completely lopsided whistle tonight. Evergreen post. NBA refs are almost as useless as MLB umps. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 7, 2021 20:55:35 GMT -5
This has been some of the worst officiating you’ll ever see. Completely lopsided whistle tonight. Evergreen post. NBA refs are almost as useless as MLB umps. We beat the Knicks!!!! |
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 7, 2021 21:04:30 GMT -5
Oof, NEVER IN DOUBT BABY!
Biggest win of the season by far. Second night of a back to back, missing Kemba and Fournier against a quality team that could push us to 2 games under .500 AGAIN. And Tatum and Brown balled absolutely out of their minds. I thought TT played an absolutely fine game. Just happy all around, big one!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 7, 2021 21:10:08 GMT -5
Tatum just tries to do too much all the time lately. Like take the next step or stop trying. He's lucky he didn't have ten plus turnovers.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2021 5:25:33 GMT -5
Tatum just tries to do too much all the time lately. Like take the next step or stop trying. He's lucky he didn't have ten plus turnovers. It’s almost as if a guy who has all the talent in the world, that just turned 23, needs to mature a little and learn a few things. He’s so good people have lost touch with reality. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2021 5:40:29 GMT -5
Tatum’s age 22 season stats are almost identical to Kobe Bryant’s if you look at the per 36 min. Kobe’s are a bit higher overall due to higher minutes played per game. Tatum is more efficient though and has one less year of experience in the NBA. He’s also not playing with Prime Shaq in and NBA where bigs like him are Gold.
Our expectations for Tatum are so out of whack because of how good he is that people are legitimately calling him a problem. Some even say he’s the teams biggest problem. False, the teams biggest problem is needing a 22 year old to be something that no 22 year old is in the NBA.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 8, 2021 11:17:06 GMT -5
RJP Tatum can be a great young player and still a huge issue, those aren't mutually exclusive things. If you watched last night's game and didn't think Tatum was an issue, then you're just giving him a pass because of his age.
That's the issue, this isn't Paul Pierce or Thomas playing with no talent. We don't need Tatum the superstar, we need Tatum the all-star scorer that plays team ball.
I will call out any player who plays too much iso and has eight turnovers and frankly we were lucky he didn't have a few more. No player has stopped ball movement more than Tatum this year, just look at the numbers. Basketball is a team sport and Tatum is for the first time in his career not playing good team Basketball. Brown has increased his scoring without going all iso crazy. People are upset Tatum is dropping in the rankings of young players, yet it's because of his play. The iso numbers are staggering for Tatum, he's playing like young LeBron James on the Cavs when he had guys like Larry Hughes and Mo Williams.
Kobe Bryant never had a season when only 40% of his three point shots were assisted. Even when he wasn't playing with Shaq. Steph Curry has never in his whole career been at Tatum level with creating so many iso three pointers. Which should tell you something given Curry level of greatness from deep.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 8, 2021 11:30:54 GMT -5
umass, you get the #1 pick, who are you taking: Cade or Mobley?
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2021 12:39:55 GMT -5
RJP Tatum can be a great young player and still a huge issue, those aren't mutually exclusive things. If you watched last night's game and didn't think Tatum was an issue, then you're just giving him a pass because of his age. That's the issue, this isn't Paul Pierce or Thomas playing with no talent. We don't need Tatum the superstar, we need Tatum the all-star scorer that plays team ball. I will call out any player who plays too much iso and has eight turnovers and frankly we were lucky he didn't have a few more. No player has stopped ball movement more than Tatum this year, just look at the numbers. Basketball is a team sport and Tatum is for the first time in his career not playing good team Basketball. Brown has increased his scoring without going all iso crazy. People are upset Tatum is dropping in the rankings of young players, yet it's because of his play. The iso numbers are staggering for Tatum, he's playing like young LeBron James on the Cavs when he had guys like Larry Hughes and Mo Williams. Kobe Bryant never had a season when only 40% of his three point shots were assisted. Even when he wasn't playing with Shaq. Steph Curry has never in his whole career been at Tatum level with creating so many iso three pointers. Which should tell you something given Curry level of greatness from deep. You realize Tatum is historically good for his age right? Assuming you do, then you are asking him to be even better than he is. Therefore, you want him to be an even better historically good than he is. No one is suggesting he’s perfect, but that’s the entire point. No player his age is perfect, there’s always something and usually multiple things they need to improve on. This happens a to be Tatum’s. This is why it’s nearly impossible to win a Title with your best player(s) Tatum’s age. You’re not getting no negatives with a player that age. This is part of figuring it out. You don’t think there is an adjustment to figuring out, how to be a play maker, how to be the man/superstar scorer, how to get your teammates properly involved, when to try to take over and how? Etc etc. it’s like, “Jason, we don’t need you to be the man, until we do, just know when those times are and turn it on and off. You should know all that already.” This is why people don’t want to stay in Boston. Nothings good enough, no room for growth and figuring it out. This Tatum is the problem narrative is spreading and it’s pretty insane. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 8, 2021 13:16:42 GMT -5
This Tatum is the problem narrative is spreading and it’s pretty insane. Tatum and Brown secretly hate each other is also picking up steam AGAIN. Remember the time where Tatum went FRIENDSHIP WITH BROWN ENDED, NOW KYRIE IS MY BEST FRIEND? Yeah we're back it! The Celtics fanbase can be really not fun at times. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 8, 2021 13:39:52 GMT -5
RJP Tatum can be a great young player and still a huge issue, those aren't mutually exclusive things. If you watched last night's game and didn't think Tatum was an issue, then you're just giving him a pass because of his age. That's the issue, this isn't Paul Pierce or Thomas playing with no talent. We don't need Tatum the superstar, we need Tatum the all-star scorer that plays team ball. I will call out any player who plays too much iso and has eight turnovers and frankly we were lucky he didn't have a few more. No player has stopped ball movement more than Tatum this year, just look at the numbers. Basketball is a team sport and Tatum is for the first time in his career not playing good team Basketball. Brown has increased his scoring without going all iso crazy. People are upset Tatum is dropping in the rankings of young players, yet it's because of his play. The iso numbers are staggering for Tatum, he's playing like young LeBron James on the Cavs when he had guys like Larry Hughes and Mo Williams. Kobe Bryant never had a season when only 40% of his three point shots were assisted. Even when he wasn't playing with Shaq. Steph Curry has never in his whole career been at Tatum level with creating so many iso three pointers. Which should tell you something given Curry level of greatness from deep. You realize Tatum is historically good for his age right? Assuming you do, then you are asking him to be even better than he is. Therefore, you want him to be an even better historically good than he is. No one is suggesting he’s perfect, but that’s the entire point. No player his age is perfect, there’s always something and usually multiple things they need to improve on. This happens a to be Tatum’s. This is why it’s nearly impossible to win a Title with your best player(s) Tatum’s age. You’re not getting no negatives with a player that age. This is part of figuring it out. You don’t think there is an adjustment to figuring out, how to be a play maker, how to be the man/superstar scorer, how to get your teammates properly involved, when to try to take over and how? Etc etc. it’s like, “Jason, we don’t need you to be the man, until we do, just know when those times are and turn it on and off. You should know all that already.” This is why people don’t want to stay in Boston. Nothings good enough, no room for growth and figuring it out. This Tatum is the problem narrative is spreading and it’s pretty insane. I'm not asking him to be better, I'm asking him to do less. He's trying to act like Irving, there's no need for that. He's trying to be a superstar when he's not ready and even the great LeBron never won anything playing the way Tatum is playing right now. It's selfish basketball, from a player that hasn't played that way before. Score within the offense, focus his iso on going to the basket and for the love of god stop creating so many hard three pointers by way of iso. So the problem with the Boston Media is pointing out when a guy isn't playing good team Basketball? I haven't seen anything talking about his future or upside. No one is saying he sucks, he's just trying to do to much before he's ready. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 8, 2021 13:59:53 GMT -5
umass, you get the #1 pick, who are you taking: Cade or Mobley? I haven't watched any tape or frankly done any research on the draft yet. Just reading the players profiles, I take Cade all day long. Heck I might take Suggs over Mobley because I think we need a high level creator. Same reason I wanted to trade for Lonzo Ball and take Cole Anthony. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2021 14:14:00 GMT -5
umass, you get the #1 pick, who are you taking: Cade or Mobley? I haven't watched any tape or frankly done any research on the draft yet. Just reading the players profiles, I take Cade all day long. Heck I might take Suggs over Mobley because I think we need a high level creator. Same reason I wanted to trade for Lonzo Ball and take Cole Anthony. It seems like it’s Cade then a group of 3... the 3 are still worthy number 1 picks in most drafts but not this one. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2021 14:21:14 GMT -5
You realize Tatum is historically good for his age right? Assuming you do, then you are asking him to be even better than he is. Therefore, you want him to be an even better historically good than he is. No one is suggesting he’s perfect, but that’s the entire point. No player his age is perfect, there’s always something and usually multiple things they need to improve on. This happens a to be Tatum’s. This is why it’s nearly impossible to win a Title with your best player(s) Tatum’s age. You’re not getting no negatives with a player that age. This is part of figuring it out. You don’t think there is an adjustment to figuring out, how to be a play maker, how to be the man/superstar scorer, how to get your teammates properly involved, when to try to take over and how? Etc etc. it’s like, “Jason, we don’t need you to be the man, until we do, just know when those times are and turn it on and off. You should know all that already.” This is why people don’t want to stay in Boston. Nothings good enough, no room for growth and figuring it out. This Tatum is the problem narrative is spreading and it’s pretty insane. I'm not asking him to be better, I'm asking him to do less. He's trying to act like Irving, there's no need for that. He's trying to be a superstar when he's not ready and even the great LeBron never won anything playing the way Tatum is playing right now. It's selfish basketball, from a player that hasn't played that way before. Score within the offense, focus his iso on going to the basket and for the love of god stop creating so many hard three pointers by way of iso. So the problem with the Boston Media is pointing out when a guy isn't playing good team Basketball? I haven't seen anything talking about his future or upside. No one is saying he sucks, he's just trying to do to much before he's ready. You are asking him to be better. I don’t know how one can even argue you aren’t. To use your term of “doing less”. You think “doing less” will make him better. You don’t want him scoring fewer points you just want him to do it differently and more efficiently and with more ball movement. I get it, but that all points to being a better player. |
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Post by texs31 on Apr 8, 2021 15:29:05 GMT -5
For those interested in adding a big via the buyout market, Khem Birch was freed up today. It doesn't come up with much supporting backup but it FEELS like he'd be a better option to guard some of the C's Boston will have to face than the current cast of 3Deep bigs (Wagner and Kornet).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 8, 2021 16:23:35 GMT -5
I'm not asking him to be better, I'm asking him to do less. He's trying to act like Irving, there's no need for that. He's trying to be a superstar when he's not ready and even the great LeBron never won anything playing the way Tatum is playing right now. It's selfish basketball, from a player that hasn't played that way before. Score within the offense, focus his iso on going to the basket and for the love of god stop creating so many hard three pointers by way of iso. So the problem with the Boston Media is pointing out when a guy isn't playing good team Basketball? I haven't seen anything talking about his future or upside. No one is saying he sucks, he's just trying to do to much before he's ready. You are asking him to be better. I don’t know how one can even argue you aren’t. To use your term of “doing less”. You think “doing less” will make him better. You don’t want him scoring fewer points you just want him to do it differently and more efficiently and with more ball movement. I get it, but that all points to being a better player. No I think him doing less will make the team better, it's a team sport. Yeah I want him playing team ball. I don't think his efficiency has to change at all, he needs to cut out the crazy amount of iso he's doing. Let's not act like he didn't do that for three years, so it's not like I'm asking him to do something he's never done. Thinking Tatum needs to be better is believing he needs to play the way he is and just do a better job at it. I want him doing less, heck I'll take less points if he plays team ball the way he used too. That will make us a better team. The Celtics are playing like a collection of talent and not a team. The biggest person doing that is Tatum, numbers don't lie. I don't think asking a player to play team ball is asking them to be better. Irving never needed to be better or more efficient, he needed to stop killing our offense with iso. |
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 8, 2021 17:49:54 GMT -5
I'm not asking him to be better, I'm asking him to do less. He's trying to act like Irving, there's no need for that. He's trying to be a superstar when he's not ready and even the great LeBron never won anything playing the way Tatum is playing right now. It's selfish basketball, from a player that hasn't played that way before. Score within the offense, focus his iso on going to the basket and for the love of god stop creating so many hard three pointers by way of iso. So the problem with the Boston Media is pointing out when a guy isn't playing good team Basketball? I haven't seen anything talking about his future or upside. No one is saying he sucks, he's just trying to do to much before he's ready. You are asking him to be better. I don’t know how one can even argue you aren’t. To use your term of “doing less”. You think “doing less” will make him better. You don’t want him scoring fewer points you just want him to do it differently and more efficiently and with more ball movement. I get it, but that all points to being a better player. “Doing less” in this context means not relying on difficult shots all the time just because he’s capable of making them. It means making the simple, non-flashy pass, moving without the ball, and then getting it back after a few passes for an easier shot. And it means making a simple pass to set up the assist (aka the hockey assist). In this context, Tatum absolutely needs to work on doing less for next season. It will make the team better, and ultimately it will make his life easier in the process. It’s great to be able to make difficult fadeaways with a hand in your face when you need to, but too often he’s settling for those types of shots instead of keeping the ball moving. He’s not the first young star to have this problem, and he won’t be the last - it’s just part of his growth as a player. |
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Post by cdj on Apr 8, 2021 18:20:07 GMT -5
For those interested in adding a big via the buyout market, Khem Birch was freed up today. It doesn't come up with much supporting backup but it FEELS like he'd be a better option to guard some of the C's Boston will have to face than the current cast of 3Deep bigs (Wagner and Kornet). I read that he’s probably going to Toronto but I agree |
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 8, 2021 19:30:53 GMT -5
Birch is about the same size as RW3 and TT. I think Moe and Kornet are a bit more interesting because they're big enough to at least give Embiid some different looks.
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Post by ianrs on Apr 8, 2021 19:32:40 GMT -5
God I wish the Celtics had drafted Pokusevski. He was literally right there at the Nesmith pick and he's a massive wing who can shoot and playmake at 19. He's going to be special. He would be a perfect 10-15 minute a game guy for us right now.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2021 19:56:37 GMT -5
You are asking him to be better. I don’t know how one can even argue you aren’t. To use your term of “doing less”. You think “doing less” will make him better. You don’t want him scoring fewer points you just want him to do it differently and more efficiently and with more ball movement. I get it, but that all points to being a better player. “Doing less” in this context means not relying on difficult shots all the time just because he’s capable of making them. It means making the simple, non-flashy pass, moving without the ball, and then getting it back after a few passes for an easier shot. And it means making a simple pass to set up the assist (aka the hockey assist). In this context, Tatum absolutely needs to work on doing less for next season. It will make the team better, and ultimately it will make his life easier in the process. It’s great to be able to make difficult fadeaways with a hand in your face when you need to, but too often he’s settling for those types of shots instead of keeping the ball moving. He’s not the first young star to have this problem, and he won’t be the last - it’s just part of his growth as a player. I don’t disagree - but that’s him being a better player. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 8, 2021 20:27:27 GMT -5
God I wish the Celtics had drafted Pokusevski. He was literally right there at the Nesmith pick and he's a massive wing who can shoot and playmake at 19. He's going to be special. He would be a perfect 10-15 minute a game guy for us right now. Bro I'm an euro fanboy and I didn't really see a NBA player there. Glad he's proving me wrong because MOTHER SERBIA needs more players. |
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