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ianrs
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Post by ianrs on May 3, 2021 3:18:23 GMT -5
That was probably the worst officiating hack job I've seen, and I've seen some terrible ones.
The Celtics just have been hit as hard by injuries and COVID as anyone I can remember in recent memory. I legitimately think we have a championship caliber team. Maybe next year after the Jays get some rest, though.
Amazing to see Nesmith absolutely blossoming.
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Post by sarasoxer on May 3, 2021 7:56:12 GMT -5
It was a fun game to watch...What a shootout. We hit 51% from 3 with Jaylon 1-9! For the game he was 6-22...so off night for him. He's another not fully healthy...shoulder/knee.
You're right. How exciting to see Nesmith emerge from the phonebooth ripping off his shirt! And it's 3 straight games offensive/defensive at least for the "sniper", so not a fluke. I like the fact that Stevens apparently called plays specifically for him. Good coaching.
Now Romeo, it's your turn.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 3, 2021 10:28:44 GMT -5
Don’t look now but Nesmith’s 3pt% is up over 38% on the season.
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ianrs
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Post by ianrs on May 3, 2021 11:01:38 GMT -5
Aaron Nesmith is like if Duncan Robinson, Danny Green, and Khris Middleton were morphed into one player as a 21 year old. Five reasons I'm bullish on Nesmith:
1. He had outlier stats in college. Outliers are good even in small samples because there's something special there. People don't shoot 50+ percent from 3 by accident on high volume.
2. He has shown outlier improvements in such a short period.
3. He has outlier strength and hustle for his age.
4. He's a 6'6, 215 wing with a 6'10 wingspan.
5. He's a literal perfect fit with the Jays as a guy who can hit threes off the catch, off movement, and off screens, and defends hard, which complements them immensely.
His energy will be very very needed for the playoffs. Danny Green is like his perfect comp: a guy who projects to average 40% from 3 on 5-6 attempts per game while providing strong defense, and the flashes he has shown getting to the rim and rebounding suggest he could be even more than that.
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Post by rminns10 on May 3, 2021 11:07:40 GMT -5
Credit to him for not pouting when things werent going his way most of the year, hes getting a legit shot right now and doing a great job.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 3, 2021 13:32:44 GMT -5
Aaron Nesmith is like if Duncan Robinson, Danny Green, and Khris Middleton were morphed into one player as a 21 year old. Five reasons I'm bullish on Nesmith: 1. He had outlier stats in college. Outliers are good even in small samples because there's something special there. People don't shoot 50+ percent from 3 by accident on high volume. 2. He has shown outlier improvements in such a short period. 3. He has outlier strength and hustle for his age. 4. He's a 6'6, 215 wing with a 6'10 wingspan. 5. He's a literal perfect fit with the Jays as a guy who can hit threes off the catch, off movement, and off screens, and defends hard, which complements them immensely. His energy will be very very needed for the playoffs. Danny Green is like his perfect comp: a guy who projects to average 40% from 3 on 5-6 attempts per game while providing strong defense, and the flashes he has shown getting to the rim and rebounding suggest he could be even more than that. On small but not insignificant thing is he’s a little shorter than 6’6.... he’s listed at 6’5, but he feels shorter... maybe once he fills out that will look different on the floor. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 3, 2021 14:29:35 GMT -5
There's tons of really good shooters in the NBA. There aren't tons of really good shooters that play hard like Smart, play good D and can do things other than shoot.
Couple of drives the last few games looked better than anything I saw on his College tape. That's huge, means he doesn't just have to sit around the three point line. He's showing you things as a rookie he didn't during College, that's rather rare. He’s embracing being down in the pecking order because it gives him better opportunities. Which is what you want with Tatum and Brown.
Let's hope this stops the Danny can't draft crazy stuff.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 3, 2021 17:40:38 GMT -5
Let's hope this stops the Danny can't draft crazy stuff. It won't. |
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Post by ianrs on May 4, 2021 1:52:22 GMT -5
Dang, realized we basically have to beat the Heat twice and have things fall our way to avoid the play-in.
Feelsbadman.
So dumb that Raptors with their record would also receive a play-in. There should be a minimum of being within a couple games of .500.
I just hope Jaylen is okay at this point.
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Post by dyoungteach on May 4, 2021 3:26:21 GMT -5
Let's hope this stops the Danny can't draft crazy stuff. It won't. Because those draft picks have worked out SO great so far...?? Oh wait that’s right. We are playing in a playin. WHILE WE KEPT or dealt away for zero zilch nothing but Salary , all those draft picks over the years. He can draft SO well here we sit in a playin while having 3. Yes 3 all stars over past 2 seasons. LOL. Yeah he draft “well” |
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Post by voiceofreason on May 4, 2021 5:40:21 GMT -5
Because those draft picks have worked out SO great so far...?? Oh wait that’s right. We are playing in a playin. WHILE WE KEPT or dealt away for zero zilch nothing but Salary , all those draft picks over the years. He can draft SO well here we sit in a playin while having 3. Yes 3 all stars over past 2 seasons. LOL. Yeah he draft “well” Amused rather than irritated. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 4, 2021 5:56:09 GMT -5
Because those draft picks have worked out SO great so far...?? Oh wait that’s right. We are playing in a playin. WHILE WE KEPT or dealt away for zero zilch nothing but Salary , all those draft picks over the years. He can draft SO well here we sit in a playin while having 3. Yes 3 all stars over past 2 seasons. LOL. Yeah he draft “well” Amused rather than irritated. Agreed, there’s no other way to react to closed minded nonsense unless you want to go crazy. |
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Post by philarhody on May 4, 2021 6:11:28 GMT -5
I’m probably gonna get killed for this. But,
I think you’ve got to trade Jaylen in the offseason. How Jaylen shoots more shots than anyone on a night in which he goes 6-22 is not actually surprising. It’s totally expected, being Tatum just went off for 60.
The chemistry on this team has sucked all year. You have Nesmith bringing positive vibes and killer energy every time out, regardless of whether it’s garbage time or not, and he only takes 4 threes on the same night he is perfect from distance.
Jayson and Jaylen think they are Kawhi during the Raptors run. And you can’t have two of those on the same team. In fact, you probably can’t have more than one of those ever and win a championship.
Imagine if you could trade Jaylen for the third pick in the draft. Suggs or Mobley would be an awesome edition to this squad that adds good touches and opportunities without taking away those same opportunities for difficult iso opportunities.
I’m so sick of this team, because I so like flashes we have seen. For all the criticism of Danny on this board, he’s drafted GREAT. Nesmith and Pritchard are legit NBA guys. TimeLord is great. Heck even Tacko was a weapon when he played.
Either Brad has to go, or this team isn’t going to work. Because a couple of these guys don’t seem to care about winning nearly as much as getting theirs.
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Post by ianrs on May 4, 2021 6:36:18 GMT -5
I’m probably gonna get killed for this. But, I think you’ve got to trade Jaylen in the offseason. How Jaylen shoots more shots than anyone on a night in which he goes 6-22 is not actually surprising. It’s totally expected, being Tatum just went off for 60. The chemistry on this team has sucked all year. You have Nesmith bringing positive vibes and killer energy every time out, regardless of whether it’s garbage time or not, and he only takes 4 threes on the same night he is perfect from distance. Jayson and Jaylen think they are Kawhi during the Raptors run. And you can’t have two of those on the same team. In fact, you probably can’t have more than one of those ever and win a championship. Imagine if you could trade Jaylen for the third pick in the draft. Suggs or Mobley would be an awesome edition to this squad that adds good touches and opportunities without taking away those same opportunities for difficult iso opportunities. I’m so sick of this team, because I so like flashes we have seen. For all the criticism of Danny on this board, he’s drafted GREAT. Nesmith and Pritchard are legit NBA guys. TimeLord is great. Heck even Tacko was a weapon when he played. Either Brad has to go, or this team isn’t going to work. Because a couple of these guys don’t seem to care about winning nearly as much as getting theirs. The only way you trade Jaylen IMO is if you get a generational talent (in my mind that's either Cunningham or Mobley, nobody else even Suggs). Only other way is if something with his medicals suggest that he's going t break down earlier than the average player. My feeling w Jaylen is that he's 1) beat up and 2) exhausted from a combo of carrying the season (remember he has had to shoulder the load while Tatum and Kemba have been out) and 3) exhausted from fasting from Ramadan which literally doesn't even allow drinking water for most of the day lol |
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Post by mobaz on May 4, 2021 8:00:46 GMT -5
I’m probably gonna get killed for this. But, I think you’ve got to trade Jaylen in the offseason. How Jaylen shoots more shots than anyone on a night in which he goes 6-22 is not actually surprising. It’s totally expected, being Tatum just went off for 60. The chemistry on this team has sucked all year. You have Nesmith bringing positive vibes and killer energy every time out, regardless of whether it’s garbage time or not, and he only takes 4 threes on the same night he is perfect from distance. Jayson and Jaylen think they are Kawhi during the Raptors run. And you can’t have two of those on the same team. In fact, you probably can’t have more than one of those ever and win a championship. Imagine if you could trade Jaylen for the third pick in the draft. Suggs or Mobley would be an awesome edition to this squad that adds good touches and opportunities without taking away those same opportunities for difficult iso opportunities. I’m so sick of this team, because I so like flashes we have seen. For all the criticism of Danny on this board, he’s drafted GREAT. Nesmith and Pritchard are legit NBA guys. TimeLord is great. Heck even Tacko was a weapon when he played. Either Brad has to go, or this team isn’t going to work. Because a couple of these guys don’t seem to care about winning nearly as much as getting theirs. The only way you trade Jaylen IMO is if you get a generational talent (in my mind that's either Cunningham or Mobley, nobody else even Suggs). Only other way is if something with his medicals suggest that he's going t break down earlier than the average player. My feeling w Jaylen is that he's 1) beat up and 2) exhausted from a combo of carrying the season (remember he has had to shoulder the load while Tatum and Kemba have been out) and 3) exhausted from fasting from Ramadan which literally doesn't even allow drinking water for most of the day lol I'm not gonna do the math this second, but I feel like if you already have two Top 25 players it rarely works out when teams try to change it up. Hopefully it doesn't require a coaching change but I hope it works out like Philly where Simmons and Embiid are now a viable top-2 because of the team around them finally syncing with them. What would the ideal team look like with our two? My two cents are a playmaking point guard, 3-and-D type SG, a big that lets Jaylen play 4 against most lineups. Some shooters and backup PGs for when either J is running the 2nd unit. Run plays for the J's to have options (drive/shoot/pass) and avoid iso ball. I worry about Kemba being that playmaking PG; the offense has never flowed through him as much as I expected. I don't see Prichard as a champion lead PG (which makes the hole from not getting Cole Anthony or Haliburton a little bigger). Time Lord could be a great 5 with these guys but durability is obviously a question. Love what we're seeing from Nesmith, and hope we can get the same leap from Romeo eventually. So, all in all agree that J and J's skills overlap but I'd rather try to work it out with the supporting cast first. It's viable but not easy, and the developmental leaps from current players will need to be big. Plus the Kemba Konundrum. |
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Post by philarhody on May 4, 2021 8:58:01 GMT -5
The only way you trade Jaylen IMO is if you get a generational talent (in my mind that's either Cunningham or Mobley, nobody else even Suggs). Only other way is if something with his medicals suggest that he's going t break down earlier than the average player. My feeling w Jaylen is that he's 1) beat up and 2) exhausted from a combo of carrying the season (remember he has had to shoulder the load while Tatum and Kemba have been out) and 3) exhausted from fasting from Ramadan which literally doesn't even allow drinking water for most of the day lol I'm not gonna do the math this second, but I feel like if you already have two Top 25 players it rarely works out when teams try to change it up. Hopefully it doesn't require a coaching change but I hope it works out like Philly where Simmons and Embiid are now a viable top-2 because of the team around them finally syncing with them. What would the ideal team look like with our two? My two cents are a playmaking point guard, 3-and-D type SG, a big that lets Jaylen play 4 against most lineups. Some shooters and backup PGs for when either J is running the 2nd unit. Run plays for the J's to have options (drive/shoot/pass) and avoid iso ball. I worry about Kemba being that playmaking PG; the offense has never flowed through him as much as I expected. I don't see Prichard as a champion lead PG (which makes the hole from not getting Cole Anthony or Haliburton a little bigger). Time Lord could be a great 5 with these guys but durability is obviously a question. Love what we're seeing from Nesmith, and hope we can get the same leap from Romeo eventually. So, all in all agree that J and J's skills overlap but I'd rather try to work it out with the supporting cast first. It's viable but not easy, and the developmental leaps from current players will need to be big. Plus the Kemba Konundrum. I really don’t think the problem is skill overlap. I think the skill is generational two way wing superstar. The problem is a crappy, me-first attitude. |
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Post by cdj on May 4, 2021 9:00:40 GMT -5
My Kemba for Russ idea is starting to drift away, sheeeeeesh Russ
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Post by rjp313jr on May 4, 2021 12:05:11 GMT -5
The fact people can look at Jaylen and Jason as me first players who can’t co-exist is baffling to me. I’ve never seen 2 young guys who are growing into super stars support each other and let the other one take the spot light when it’s their night better than those two. They love playing together and push each other. THEY ARE 23 and 24. They need to learn how to win.
Also, if you want to get more frustrated then trade your 24 year old All-Star who’s constantly improved every year for a 19 year old kid. Yea getting younger will really help your team take the next step. If you want to wait for kids to develop then just wait for this group that’s so much further along.
I am NOT in favor of breaking up Tatum and Brown. I think it’s foolish, however, if you are going to do it then it’s for a superstar like Bradley Beal who’s still pre 30 but a veteran in his prime, not for a younger kid.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 4, 2021 12:40:39 GMT -5
Because those draft picks have worked out SO great so far...?? Oh wait that’s right. We are playing in a playin. WHILE WE KEPT or dealt away for zero zilch nothing but Salary , all those draft picks over the years. He can draft SO well here we sit in a playin while having 3. Yes 3 all stars over past 2 seasons. LOL. Yeah he draft “well”  |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 4, 2021 13:06:10 GMT -5
Smart 27
Brown 24
Tatum 23
Rob Williams 23
Pritchard 23
Nesmith 21
Langford 21
Hopefully, this adds some perspective. This is a young team. The last thing you want to do is be impatient and blow it up, by splitting up Tatum and Brown. Let them continue to grow and develop as a group. People look at this like they've been "together" for a long time and in some respects they have been but in others they haven't. This is the first year, and it's a screwed up year, that this has been Tatum and Browns team. Before it was some combination of Thomas, Horford, Kyrie, Hayward and Kembas team. That changed this year and out of all those previously mentioned guys, Kemba is the one who can happily adjust to being a supporting cast player. His game finally started to adjust last month too so that's something to look forward to in the playoffs and next year.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 4, 2021 13:08:20 GMT -5
I look at this year, all the issues that Covid caused, short training game/preseason, more games/ less days off/less practice time, leading NBA in missed games, Walkers issues, the roster issues, etc, etc, etc and say it's the perfect storm. Yeah Stevens and Danny haven't been perfect, yet I'd say let's not overreact either.
I'm not trading Brown, yet you do need a PG or someone to tie the offense together. If you want to talk trade, I'm about at the point with Smart that I'd explore it. Look at Browns numbers, I get it, games like this bring back old memories, yet they are happening less often and he's had some of the most impressive games you'll every see this year. Smart has basically gone backwards, he needs to shot less and only worry about D and passing, yet he's Marcus Smart.
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Post by texs31 on May 4, 2021 14:00:54 GMT -5
Because those draft picks have worked out SO great so far...?? Oh wait that’s right. We are playing in a playin. WHILE WE KEPT or dealt away for zero zilch nothing but Salary , all those draft picks over the years. He can draft SO well here we sit in a playin while having 3. Yes 3 all stars over past 2 seasons. LOL. Yeah he draft “well” If a cake tastes terrible does that mean you know the eggs were bad? There are several things that go into a team not doing well. You can't take the results and point to just 1 of those things and make a conclusion about it. That's not how if/then clauses work. Basic logic failure. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 4, 2021 14:54:06 GMT -5
Jaylen Brown 48.4/39.7/76.4. Are we really complaining l his shooting?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 4, 2021 15:19:31 GMT -5
If winning equals good drafting than doesn't being a top four team three of the last four years prove that Danny is good? I don't for a second think that rating drafting ability based on record makes any sense, yet this team has made the conference finals three out of the last four years. I don't care what are record is if we are winning playoff series after playoff series.
The big three were my first taste of elite teams and big time winning given my age. I can't even remember Larry Bird playing. I remember Dino Radja, Dana Burrows, an old Wilkins, Sherman Douglas, etc. You know the good old years lol. Yet this current core is better than the big three! First it's mostly homegrown and they are just getting started. KG, Pierce and Allen were at the end of there peak years, this core hasn't even hit their peak years yet.
Trading Brown is like the Thunder trading Harden.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 4, 2021 16:58:50 GMT -5
If winning equals good drafting than doesn't being a top four team three of the last four years prove that Danny is good? I don't for a second think that rating drafting ability based on record makes any sense, yet this team has made the conference finals three out of the last four years. I don't care what are record is if we are winning playoff series after playoff series. The big three were my first taste of elite teams and big time winning given my age. I can't even remember Larry Bird playing. I remember Dino Radja, Dana Burrows, an old Wilkins, Sherman Douglas, etc. You know the good old years lol. Yet this current core is better than the big three! First it's mostly homegrown and they are just getting started. KG, Pierce and Allen were at the end of there peak years, this core hasn't even hit their peak years yet. Trading Brown is like the Thunder trading Harden. Kevin Gamble had a lethal 18 footer |
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