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ianrs
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Post by ianrs on May 9, 2021 14:06:41 GMT -5
Nesmith is going to be fucking GOOD, man.
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Post by wcp3 on May 9, 2021 15:18:13 GMT -5
Brad putting Carsen Edwards in this game is as braindead of a decision as I can remember a head coach making. 3 guard lineup with Pritchard, Edwards, and Kemba???! That dunk from Nesmith was incredible, glad to see someone is still trying out there. I still don't get calling this team pathetic. Heat are good and healthier than us right now. It's almost like we're missing our starting center and one of our all star wings against a playoff team. That said, I do think we could do with some changes in the front office and coaching staff (not to mention end of bench personnel - jettison Semi, Carsen, Tremont, Parker, maybe even Grant Williams for more serviceable NBA players). They gave up 79 points in the first half. It’s also the third times in five games they’ve given up 70+ in the first half. If they’re not a pathetic team, then their defensive effort certainly is pathetic. |
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Post by rminns10 on May 10, 2021 6:38:18 GMT -5
Theyve played this season as if they want to get the thing over with, and i concur.
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Post by cdj on May 10, 2021 13:18:24 GMT -5
It’s A LOT easier to deal with the lack of intensity when you check out until the play-in round
Btw that’s the reason we all unanimously like Nesmith now, he’s just about the only one playing with intensity night in and night out
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 10, 2021 13:49:20 GMT -5
I still think that for whatever reason, Stevens doesn't motivate (scare?) many of the players on the team - he hasn't totally lost control, but their starts, bad quarters, etc to me are on him.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2021 17:11:53 GMT -5
Jaylen Brown out for the season. At this point, just miss the playoffs. Same wrist injury Romeo had but this is Jaylens left wrist.
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ianrs
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Post by ianrs on May 10, 2021 17:39:49 GMT -5
Jaylen Brown out for the season. At this point, just miss the playoffs. Same wrist injury Romeo had but this is Jaylens left wrist. Damn, that's sad to hear. Hope Jaylen gets some much needed rest to be honest. He's been playing through a ton of injury shit. Now yes, I agree. Miss the playoffs, tank into the lotto, and play the rookies who need development (Romeo, Nesmith, Pritchard, and see if you really want to keep Grant). Hell, even rest Tatum so you don't risk injury to him. Its just not the year. Snatch up a lotto pick after no showing the Hornets and call it a day with a better prospect than expected. I don't think Stevens as a grown man is going to "scare" any other grown men into playing harder, especially if half of them are playing hobbled, lol. |
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Post by cdj on May 10, 2021 18:58:56 GMT -5
Glad it’s his left wrist and not his right
What a year it’s been
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Post by voiceofreason on May 10, 2021 19:03:05 GMT -5
Ok that is the hand the C's have been dealt. Silver lining is they are a young team and this gives someone the opportunity to step up.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2021 19:03:43 GMT -5
Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Kemba Walker and Marcus Smart ended up playing together a total of 292 minutes this year.
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Post by mobaz on May 10, 2021 19:11:29 GMT -5
And then this:
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2021 19:31:33 GMT -5
They dealt IT to Cleveland to play with LeBron... hardly a kick in the nuts |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2021 19:33:01 GMT -5
🚑 2020-21 Celtics in a snapshot ⤵️
183 games missed. Add 4 more for Jaylen Brown. Maybe more for Rob.
And now it’s guaranteed: Zero games played with their top 7 available the entire season.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 10, 2021 19:44:04 GMT -5
Damn. Just unbelievable. It didn't even get any reaction out of me, I just don't believe it. My brain cannot comprehend this.
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Post by homerdante on May 10, 2021 19:54:42 GMT -5
Tank for the pick!
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 10, 2021 21:37:13 GMT -5
Well, now they have a legit excuse for being such a hot/cold team. As to how they will react? Flip a coin. They are what their record says.
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Post by ianrs on May 11, 2021 2:20:10 GMT -5
🚑 2020-21 Celtics in a snapshot ⤵️ 183 games missed. Add 4 more for Jaylen Brown. Maybe more for Rob. And now it’s guaranteed: Zero games played with their top 7 available the entire season. Wow it never registered we literally did not have the top 7 healthy once this season. What could have been... |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 11, 2021 7:12:00 GMT -5
It sucks, yet no way I'm tanking, like what's the big difference between pick 13/14 and 15/16?
As it stands right now you'd have to lose to the Hornets than the Pacers/Wizards to miss the playoffs in the play in tournament.
Yeah any small title hopes you had are now gone, yet maybe this actually gets the team to play with some heart. Injuries to Hayward and Irving didn't just that before. Looking at last game with Fournier and Nesmith it's not like you don't have good options right now.
So I just don't see it, I'm hoping it's just the shock that is making people think that way. You want the young guys playing in the playoffs. I want this team to show some fight. If they roll over and actually miss the playoffs I will start doubting if Steven's is the coach we need for the first time. Even without Brown you are still a more talented team than the three teams below you currently.
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Post by mobaz on May 11, 2021 7:48:23 GMT -5
It sucks, yet no way I'm tanking, like what's the big difference between pick 13/14 and 15/16? As it stands right now you'd have to lose to the Hornets than the Pacers/Wizards to miss the playoffs in the play in tournament. Yeah any small title hopes you had are now gone, yet maybe this actually gets the team to play with some heart. Injuries to Hayward and Irving didn't just that before. Looking at last game with Fournier and Nesmith it's not like you don't have good options right now. So I just don't see it, I'm hoping it's just the shock that is making people think that way. You want the young guys playing in the playoffs. I want this team to show some fight. If they roll over and actually miss the playoffs I will start doubting if Steven's is the coach we need for the first time. Even without Brown you are still a more talented team than the three teams below you currently. I see two things of real value for pushing hard in the playoffs. First, is reps for the young guys (Tatum in particular). He's obviously ubertalented but is also not yet a superstar; his energy wanes and the teams energy wanes around him in ways that rarely happen with Kawai or Lebron. More chances to learn in that environment is great. Also getting Nesmith meaningful reps after such a slow start will build momentum for next year. Second, there are some key teambuilding questions still out there. A playoff run lets you see how Fournier meshes as he returns to strength. It helps determine Kemba's "new" ceiling in a playoff series (though I think he'll have a scoring burden without JB, and I'd rather see him with a higher facilitator vibe going forward). Is Smart really critical to this team going forward, or are there ways to leverage him to get a little more balance and avoid his 3rd contract? Answering those questions are far more important than a few draft spots. This is still a very talented team, and frankly it would be embarrassing if they can't get out of the play-in game and into at least round 1. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 11, 2021 8:02:18 GMT -5
It sucks, yet no way I'm tanking, like what's the big difference between pick 13/14 and 15/16? As it stands right now you'd have to lose to the Hornets than the Pacers/Wizards to miss the playoffs in the play in tournament. Yeah any small title hopes you had are now gone, yet maybe this actually gets the team to play with some heart. Injuries to Hayward and Irving didn't just that before. Looking at last game with Fournier and Nesmith it's not like you don't have good options right now. So I just don't see it, I'm hoping it's just the shock that is making people think that way. You want the young guys playing in the playoffs. I want this team to show some fight. If they roll over and actually miss the playoffs I will start doubting if Steven's is the coach we need for the first time. Even without Brown you are still a more talented team than the three teams below you currently. I see two things of real value for pushing hard in the playoffs. First, is reps for the young guys (Tatum in particular). He's obviously ubertalented but is also not yet a superstar; his energy wanes and the teams energy wanes around him in ways that rarely happen with Kawai or Lebron. More chances to learn in that environment is great. Also getting Nesmith meaningful reps after such a slow start will build momentum for next year. Second, there are some key teambuilding questions still out there. A playoff run lets you see how Fournier meshes as he returns to strength. It helps determine Kemba's "new" ceiling in a playoff series (though I think he'll have a scoring burden without JB, and I'd rather see him with a higher facilitator vibe going forward). Is Smart really critical to this team going forward, or are there ways to leverage him to get a little more balance and avoid his 3rd contract? Answering those questions are far more important than a few draft spots. This is still a very talented team, and frankly it would be embarrassing if they can't get out of the play-in game and into at least round 1. Maybe but it’s kind of hard to get a read on team fit when everyone, besides Tatum or probably Rob Williams is going to have to play a different role than if Jaylen were there. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 11, 2021 8:14:31 GMT -5
It sucks, yet no way I'm tanking, like what's the big difference between pick 13/14 and 15/16? As it stands right now you'd have to lose to the Hornets than the Pacers/Wizards to miss the playoffs in the play in tournament. Yeah any small title hopes you had are now gone, yet maybe this actually gets the team to play with some heart. Injuries to Hayward and Irving didn't just that before. Looking at last game with Fournier and Nesmith it's not like you don't have good options right now. So I just don't see it, I'm hoping it's just the shock that is making people think that way. You want the young guys playing in the playoffs. I want this team to show some fight. If they roll over and actually miss the playoffs I will start doubting if Steven's is the coach we need for the first time. Even without Brown you are still a more talented team than the three teams below you currently. If the Celtics lost 2 or 3 of their last 4 then didn’t make the playoffs, then that means they are most likely at the 11 spot with a chance they are at the 10 spot. The 11 spot carries a 9.4% chance of a top 4 selection and the 10 spot is 13.9% chance. I’ll trade a thrashing in the playoffs for those odds and the higher pick. Even if they don’t use the pick, in this draft it could be really good trade bait. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 11, 2021 9:00:05 GMT -5
It sucks, yet no way I'm tanking, like what's the big difference between pick 13/14 and 15/16? As it stands right now you'd have to lose to the Hornets than the Pacers/Wizards to miss the playoffs in the play in tournament. Yeah any small title hopes you had are now gone, yet maybe this actually gets the team to play with some heart. Injuries to Hayward and Irving didn't just that before. Looking at last game with Fournier and Nesmith it's not like you don't have good options right now. So I just don't see it, I'm hoping it's just the shock that is making people think that way. You want the young guys playing in the playoffs. I want this team to show some fight. If they roll over and actually miss the playoffs I will start doubting if Steven's is the coach we need for the first time. Even without Brown you are still a more talented team than the three teams below you currently. If the Celtics lost 2 or 3 of their last 4 then didn’t make the playoffs, then that means they are most likely at the 11 spot with a chance they are at the 10 spot. The 11 spot carries a 9.4% chance of a top 4 selection and the 10 spot is 13.9% chance. I’ll trade a thrashing in the playoffs for those odds and the higher pick. Even if they don’t use the pick, in this draft it could be really good trade bait. Walk me through how that happens? They are currently 16th with a 35-33 record, 10th spot Pelicans at 31-38. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 11, 2021 9:11:52 GMT -5
If the Celtics lost 2 or 3 of their last 4 then didn’t make the playoffs, then that means they are most likely at the 11 spot with a chance they are at the 10 spot. The 11 spot carries a 9.4% chance of a top 4 selection and the 10 spot is 13.9% chance. I’ll trade a thrashing in the playoffs for those odds and the higher pick. Even if they don’t use the pick, in this draft it could be really good trade bait. Walk me through how that happens? They are currently 16th with a 35-33 record, 10th spot Pelicans at 31-38. Sorry, I was off one spot. They just need to tie with the Spurs record wise and then the 2 western conference teams that don’t make it would be the 13 and 14 spots. Then you need to finish 8th or lower then you can possibly get up to 11. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 11, 2021 10:24:10 GMT -5
Walk me through how that happens? They are currently 16th with a 35-33 record, 10th spot Pelicans at 31-38. Sorry, I was off one spot. They just need to tie with the Spurs record wise and then the 2 western conference teams that don’t make it would be the 13 and 14 spots. Then you need to finish 8th or lower then you can possibly get up to 11. What are you thinking the playoff tournament games will count towards draft positions? I don't see how playing extra games will hurt or help draft position. I'm assuming like last year the play in tourney doesn't change draft results unless you make the playoffs. Aren’t tiebreakers head to head match ups? We hold the only win this year against the Spurs. Tied with Grizz at 1-1. So you're talking about basically the Grizz doing better than us, then the Wiz/Pacers winning the 8th spot in the east and the Spurs winning the 8th spot in the West to get to 11. That also includes losing to the Hornets and Wiz/Pacers, two teams that even without Brown you're more talented than. Given our schedule versus the Grizz schedule you're likely looking at 13/14 is the most likely outcomes, yet the odds of missing the playoffs are slim. They aren't going to sit Tatum so it doesn't even matter. I'd still take the 15th pick over the 11th and have them play in the playoffs, than teaching so many Young players how to lose. We're past that point in a rebuild. I'm actually very excited to see how they respond and want those young guys playing playoff minutes for next year. Like Nesmith will actually get a role now, where he wasn't getting much of one with a healthy Brown. It likely doesn't happen, yet they still could surprise people. I want to see how Tatum responds to this. So much crap versus just hoping everything goes just perfect so you maybe get something that's highly unlikely. |
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Post by ianrs on May 11, 2021 11:23:24 GMT -5
Sorry, I was off one spot. They just need to tie with the Spurs record wise and then the 2 western conference teams that don’t make it would be the 13 and 14 spots. Then you need to finish 8th or lower then you can possibly get up to 11. What are you thinking the playoff tournament games will count towards draft positions? I don't see how playing extra games will hurt or help draft position. I'm assuming like last year the play in tourney doesn't change draft results unless you make the playoffs. Aren’t tiebreakers head to head match ups? We hold the only win this year against the Spurs. Tied with Grizz at 1-1. So you're talking about basically the Grizz doing better than us, then the Wiz/Pacers winning the 8th spot in the east and the Spurs winning the 8th spot in the West to get to 11. That also includes losing to the Hornets and Wiz/Pacers, two teams that even without Brown you're more talented than. Given our schedule versus the Grizz schedule you're likely looking at 13/14 is the most likely outcomes, yet the odds of missing the playoffs are slim. They aren't going to sit Tatum so it doesn't even matter. I'd still take the 15th pick over the 11th and have them play in the playoffs, than teaching so many Young players how to lose. We're past that point in a rebuild. I'm actually very excited to see how they respond and want those young guys playing playoff minutes for next year. Like Nesmith will actually get a role now, where he wasn't getting much of one with a healthy Brown. It likely doesn't happen, yet they still could surprise people. I want to see how Tatum responds to this. So much crap versus just hoping everything goes just perfect so you maybe get something that's highly unlikely. They do change draft position.... If we get knocked out of the play-in, we get a lottery pick. If we make it into the official playoffs, we don't. With a lottery pick comes that ever so small chance of jumping into the top 4, and this more value. I take that chance anyday over a playoff thrashing. |
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