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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 11, 2021 11:35:51 GMT -5
What are you thinking the playoff tournament games will count towards draft positions? I don't see how playing extra games will hurt or help draft position. I'm assuming like last year the play in tourney doesn't change draft results unless you make the playoffs. Aren’t tiebreakers head to head match ups? We hold the only win this year against the Spurs. Tied with Grizz at 1-1. So you're talking about basically the Grizz doing better than us, then the Wiz/Pacers winning the 8th spot in the east and the Spurs winning the 8th spot in the West to get to 11. That also includes losing to the Hornets and Wiz/Pacers, two teams that even without Brown you're more talented than. Given our schedule versus the Grizz schedule you're likely looking at 13/14 is the most likely outcomes, yet the odds of missing the playoffs are slim. They aren't going to sit Tatum so it doesn't even matter. I'd still take the 15th pick over the 11th and have them play in the playoffs, than teaching so many Young players how to lose. We're past that point in a rebuild. I'm actually very excited to see how they respond and want those young guys playing playoff minutes for next year. Like Nesmith will actually get a role now, where he wasn't getting much of one with a healthy Brown. It likely doesn't happen, yet they still could surprise people. I want to see how Tatum responds to this. So much crap versus just hoping everything goes just perfect so you maybe get something that's highly unlikely. They do change draft position.... If we get knocked out of the play-in, we get a lottery pick. If we make it into the official playoffs, we don't. With a lottery pick comes that ever so small chance of jumping into the top 4, and this more value. I take that chance anyday over a playoff thrashing. I was talking about RJP implying that if we tie the Spurs, our extra losses in the play in tournament mean we get a lower pick, even though we hold a tie breaker right now. www.tankathon.com/pick_oddsThose are the odds, it's why RJP was using the 11th pick, because the odds are a lot better than 13/14 therawimpact.wordpress.com/2019/05/17/top-10-biggest-jumps-in-the-nba-lottery/Only once in history has a 13/14 team jumped up, heck picks 11-14 have done it three times in history. I don't like those odds, that's not worth it in my book. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 11, 2021 12:00:05 GMT -5
They do change draft position.... If we get knocked out of the play-in, we get a lottery pick. If we make it into the official playoffs, we don't. With a lottery pick comes that ever so small chance of jumping into the top 4, and this more value. I take that chance anyday over a playoff thrashing. I was talking about RJP implying that if we tie the Spurs, our extra losses in the play in tournament mean we get a lower pick, even though we hold a tie breaker right now. www.tankathon.com/pick_oddsThose are the odds, it's why RJP was using the 11th pick, because the odds are a lot better than 13/14 therawimpact.wordpress.com/2019/05/17/top-10-biggest-jumps-in-the-nba-lottery/Only once in history has a 13/14 team jumped up, heck picks 11-14 have done it three times in history. I don't like those odds, that's not worth it in my book. I didn’t say extra losses affect us.. i did miss the win against the Spurs though (not sure how considering how epic it was), however you missed the loss - we are 1-1 against them this year. I don’t know how the tie breaker would fall. |
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Post by voiceofreason on May 11, 2021 15:05:30 GMT -5
So sit everyone and lose to maximize the pick opportunity in this draft.... hmmmm.
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Post by homerdante on May 11, 2021 15:33:50 GMT -5
So sit everyone and lose to maximize the pick opportunity in this draft.... hmmmm. Actually, play all the "regulars" we've got, including all the time on the court for Smart we can get. That's done pretty well to tank the season already. Do NOT play the kids who have anything to prove, or TimeLord, that has been a formula for winning sometimes, so let's avoid that. #TankforthePick |
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Post by dyoungteach on May 11, 2021 17:09:28 GMT -5
Welp at least an nba all star agrees with some of us:
“Danny Ainge is a good friend of mine, but he’s not done a good job with all those draft picks he had,” Barkley said.
Danny ainge has not shown that he’s anything more than an average drafter. Some hits. To many misses. And due to that here we sit. Almost ready to miss the playoffs. After having so many draft picks we didn’t know what to do with all of them over past 5 seasons. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ Maybe next year as they say right..?
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Post by Don Caballero on May 11, 2021 17:30:58 GMT -5
Danny ainge has not shown that he’s anything more than an average drafter. |
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Post by wcp3 on May 11, 2021 19:23:55 GMT -5
NBA refs should all be tossed into a volcano.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 11, 2021 20:39:06 GMT -5
Celtics bench with 4 points moving into the 4th Quarter. Giving up 57% shooting. No use for Parker? Only 10 assists? So sad to see where are heading in to the playoffs.
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Post by dyoungteach on May 12, 2021 1:41:23 GMT -5
Danny ainge has not shown that he’s anything more than an average drafter. You can laugh all you want. You can design all you want. An above average drafter doesn’t miss playoffs with so many draft picks. “ Think about it — Boston had a hundred number one draft picks and they haven’t done anything with them. Now they’re irrelevant because there’s nobody in their right mind thinking, like, Boston is even close to being a contender so, like I say, you have to blame the guys” Now obviously sir Charles is off a bit as they have some success stories out of draft. But no where near what they should have. |
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Post by dyoungteach on May 12, 2021 1:51:46 GMT -5
Danny ainge has not shown that he’s anything more than an average drafter. To help with this: since 2010 Celtics have had 21 first round draft picks. Of which 2 were in top 4 and another in top 6 Success stories: Aaron neysmith ( lottery) Peyton Pritchard Robert Williams ( hopeful if not injured) Jayson Tatum ( lottery top 3) Jaylen brown ( lottery top 3) Terry rosier Marcus smart ( lottery top 6) Avery Bradley 8/21. That’s hitting on 38% of first round picks Of those hit on 4 are lottery picks ( should hit on) Take those out and it becomes 4/17. 23% hit rate 2 of those players I’m saying seem like they should make it given their first year in league. If you take out Tatum and brown with 21!!! First round picks. You are left with absolute nothing but Detroit pistons! If that’s above average I’m here to sell you some swamp land in Florida for a really good price!! |
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Post by wcp3 on May 12, 2021 5:07:30 GMT -5
You can laugh all you want. You can design all you want. An above average drafter doesn’t miss playoffs with so many draft picks. “ Think about it — Boston had a hundred number one draft picks and they haven’t done anything with them. Now they’re irrelevant because there’s nobody in their right mind thinking, like, Boston is even close to being a contender so, like I say, you have to blame the guys” Now obviously sir Charles is off a bit as they have some success stories out of draft. But no where near what they should have. When have they missed the playoffs during this stretch? Try again. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 12, 2021 5:46:06 GMT -5
Someone in this thread has no clue what the success rates of draft picks are in the NBA.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 12, 2021 5:52:32 GMT -5
To help with this: since 2010 Celtics have had 21 first round draft picks. Of which 2 were in top 4 and another in top 6 Success stories: Aaron neysmith ( lottery) Peyton Pritchard Robert Williams ( hopeful if not injured) Jayson Tatum ( lottery top 3) Jaylen brown ( lottery top 3) Terry rosier Marcus smart ( lottery top 6) Avery Bradley 8/21. That’s hitting on 38% of first round picks Of those hit on 4 are lottery picks ( should hit on) Take those out and it becomes 4/17. 23% hit rate 2 of those players I’m saying seem like they should make it given their first year in league. If you take out Tatum and brown with 21!!! First round picks. You are left with absolute nothing but Detroit pistons! If that’s above average I’m here to sell you some swamp land in Florida for a really good price!! Please list these 21 picks... |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 12, 2021 7:43:16 GMT -5
I see the Celtics making 19 picks, they traded some picks over the years. So might have had 21 picks, yet they didn't make 21 picks. 10/19 are darn good you can't argue with picks. Sullinger even in his short career was picked 21st and ranks 21st in win share for his draft, that's a good pick. KO was picked 13th and ranks 6th in win shares.
Your busts are Johnson, Melo, James Young, RJ Hunter, Yabu and Zizic. I won't call Grant Williams a bust because I think he has a long career, yet not a fan of the pick. Leaving just Langford as yet to be determined, yet I love him. At worst that will be a good solid pick, even if he's just a Tony Allen type player.
You want to bitch that he let Rozier go to get Walker go right ahead. You wanna bitch how it took him till the deadline to right the roster go ahead. Yet his drafting is clearly well above average. Go look at the Pistons lottery picks and you'll understand why. His issue was too many lower picks frankly when trying to win, so he mixed in ready to win players and upside guys. Those ready to win players haven't done much, yet you can't have a team of raw players when your good.
This also kinda misses the point, winners in the NBA aren't built with draft picks. The biggest issue on this team right now is Kemba Walker getting injured. We only got a half season before that happened. I'm taking our first thing year and next years first to try and trade Walker for Ball or something like that. Kinda hard to be a defensive team with Walker.
Who among the top teams in the league made a jump due to draft picks? It was free agents and trades, not draft picks. That's the crazy narrative with a certain poster, he just doesn't get it.
Even if you want to use those early Warrior teams, it took Curry till his age 26 season to win a championship, Tatum is in his age 22 season. Jordan and LeBron age 27 when they won their first Championship. So this isn’t like OMG Danny is wasting Tatum and Brown. They've already done more playoff winning than most players there age! It's the Haywards, Irving's and Walkers that have been killing us with injuries and selfish play.
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Post by dyoungteach on May 12, 2021 9:10:41 GMT -5
Someone in this thread has no clue what the success rates of draft picks are in the NBA. I’m anxious to hear and read your research on what the success rate of first round picks is ..... waiting... |
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Post by dyoungteach on May 12, 2021 9:16:58 GMT -5
To help with this: since 2010 Celtics have had 21 first round draft picks. Of which 2 were in top 4 and another in top 6 Success stories: Aaron neysmith ( lottery) Peyton Pritchard Robert Williams ( hopeful if not injured) Jayson Tatum ( lottery top 3) Jaylen brown ( lottery top 3) Terry rosier Marcus smart ( lottery top 6) Avery Bradley 8/21. That’s hitting on 38% of first round picks Of those hit on 4 are lottery picks ( should hit on) Take those out and it becomes 4/17. 23% hit rate 2 of those players I’m saying seem like they should make it given their first year in league. If you take out Tatum and brown with 21!!! First round picks. You are left with absolute nothing but Detroit pistons! If that’s above average I’m here to sell you some swamp land in Florida for a really good price!! Please list these 21 picks... 21 picks include the traded away picks. Meaning use of those picks. Avery Bradley Marshawn brooks Fab melo Jarred Sullivan Lucas nogeveria James young Marcus smart Rj hunter Terry rozier Anti zivic Yabusele Jaylen brown Jayson Tatum Robert Williams Grant Williams Mythese thybal Romeo langford Desmond bane Peyton Pritchard Aaron neysmith 21 |
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Post by dyoungteach on May 12, 2021 9:18:15 GMT -5
You can laugh all you want. You can design all you want. An above average drafter doesn’t miss playoffs with so many draft picks. “ Think about it — Boston had a hundred number one draft picks and they haven’t done anything with them. Now they’re irrelevant because there’s nobody in their right mind thinking, like, Boston is even close to being a contender so, like I say, you have to blame the guys” Now obviously sir Charles is off a bit as they have some success stories out of draft. But no where near what they should have. When have they missed the playoffs during this stretch? Try again. They are out of a guaranteed playoff spot this year!! Playin but out of guaranteed playoff spot. So I don’t need to try again at all! |
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Post by texs31 on May 12, 2021 9:25:00 GMT -5
Someone in this thread has no clue what the success rates of draft picks are in the NBA. I’m anxious to hear and read your research on what the success rate of first round picks is ..... waiting... But YOU are the one that is trying to pawn off your opinion as fact so the onus is on YOU. We've told you where your support is lacking but you continue to omit it. - No support for what is expected in the range where Danny made the picks (#3 <> #14 <> #27 yet your conclusion suggests they have equal expectations) - No comparison to other GMs (you keep saying what other GMs would do with that many picks without a spec of information to support that) - Originally, you were ignoring Brown/Tatum even though Danny did what other GMs would likely not have. And your primary focus was on players where you would expect to get exactly what Danny has gotten (or more) in many cases. Your last post has, at least backed off the Brown/Tatum omission. I was giving you a little credit for the last post bc it's the first time you provided anything other than some form of "look at their record". But you're still making an empty comparison. Crazy thing is that if you had just said "I'm disappointed Danny didn't do more with the draft cache" or "it feels like he should've done more with what he had" (or something like those), we wouldn't have had much to say (and some might agree). But instead you chose to propose it as analytical fact. Pretty sure you're taking some heat in the mlb draft thread for attempting to propose your opinion as fact. All we are asking is for you to either make clear it's just an opinion (one possibly not supported by fact) or support it analytically since you are proposing it as such. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 12, 2021 9:42:18 GMT -5
Please list these 21 picks... 21 picks include the traded away picks. Meaning use of those picks. Avery Bradley Marshawn brooks Fab melo Jarred Sullivan Lucas nogeveria James young Marcus smart Rj hunter Terry rozier Anti zivic Yabusele Jaylen brown Jayson Tatum Robert Williams Grant Williams Mythese thybal Romeo langford Desmond bane Peyton Pritchard Aaron neysmith 21 Wow you can't even list the players Danny drafted, you're including trades that had other teams making those picks. Danny didn't draft Brooks, he drafted Johnson. It was KO not Lucas, we never drafted Thybal or Bane, we traded the picks. You want to grade those trade go right ahead, yet if you want to bitch about Danny's drafting record, actually know who he picked. This is getting comical! |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 12, 2021 10:07:42 GMT -5
Example that Thybal pick turned into Edwards and the Bucks 2021 first, then two second round picks. While shedding the salary of Baynes and Kanter. Those picks are in 2023 and 2025. We then traded a 2027 second round pick and the lesser pick of ours or the Grizz 2025 pick for Fournier.
It also allowed you to sign a max free agent in Walker. He kinda pulled a Bill with that pick, in that it's getting you value in many different ways and you still have picks outstanding.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 12, 2021 10:33:12 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on May 12, 2021 11:42:35 GMT -5
Please list these 21 picks... 21 picks include the traded away picks. Meaning use of those picks. Avery Bradley Marshawn brooks Fab melo Jarred Sullivan Lucas nogeveria James young Marcus smart Rj hunter Terry rozier Anti zivic Yabusele Jaylen brown Jayson Tatum Robert Williams Grant Williams Mythese thybal Romeo langford Desmond bane Peyton Pritchard Aaron neysmith 21 I also wouldn’t truly count Yabu and Zizic since they hoped to stash both to open Max space to sign Hayward... they never draft Yabu if they weren’t stashing him - it was a pick made because they couldn’t trade him and they decided to take flier. |
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Post by dangermike on May 12, 2021 12:29:14 GMT -5
i literally only see 3-4 bigger misses... over a decade and 3-4 picks missed especially with the huge amount of draft stock we had all over the first round- seems pretty good to me
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Post by dyoungteach on May 12, 2021 13:10:09 GMT -5
21 picks include the traded away picks. Meaning use of those picks. Avery Bradley Marshawn brooks Fab melo Jarred Sullivan Lucas nogeveria James young Marcus smart Rj hunter Terry rozier Anti zivic Yabusele Jaylen brown Jayson Tatum Robert Williams Grant Williams Mythese thybal Romeo langford Desmond bane Peyton Pritchard Aaron neysmith 21 Wow you can't even list the players Danny drafted, you're including trades that had other teams making those picks. Danny didn't draft Brooks, he drafted Johnson. It was KO not Lucas, we never drafted Thybal or Bane, we traded the picks. You want to grade those trade go right ahead, yet if you want to bitch about Danny's drafting record, actually know who he picked. This is getting comical! We owned those draft picks!! 21. I’m saying his use of draft picks is average at best. Even an nba ball of famer has said so. He didn’t trade those picks for anyone so Celtics owned 21 first round draft picks. Period |
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Post by dyoungteach on May 12, 2021 13:10:46 GMT -5
21 picks include the traded away picks. Meaning use of those picks. Avery Bradley Marshawn brooks Fab melo Jarred Sullivan Lucas nogeveria James young Marcus smart Rj hunter Terry rozier Anti zivic Yabusele Jaylen brown Jayson Tatum Robert Williams Grant Williams Mythese thybal Romeo langford Desmond bane Peyton Pritchard Aaron neysmith 21 I also wouldn’t truly count Yabu and Zizic since they hoped to stash both to open Max space to sign Hayward... they never draft Yabu if they weren’t stashing him - it was a pick made because they couldn’t trade him and they decided to take flier. Then trade it! For something better than that |
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