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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 5, 2021 14:47:01 GMT -5
So you don’t get not wanting him but you get not drafting him? Feels like you want your cake and eat it to.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 5, 2021 15:21:57 GMT -5
So you don’t get not wanting him but you get not drafting him? Feels like you want your cake and eat it to. I get not drafting him at 14, I don't get not drafting him at 30. That looked like crazy luck, like it was meant to be and he traded him to save 5 million. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 5, 2021 15:48:52 GMT -5
So you don’t get not wanting him but you get not drafting him? Feels like you want your cake and eat it to. I get not drafting him at 14, I don't get not drafting him at 30. That looked like crazy luck, like it was meant to be and he traded him to save 5 million. First, I agree I did not want the to trade that pick. I’m sure there was another way to deal Kanter. My guess is, I’d they knew how Hayward played out they wouldn’t have done that move. Second, after taking Nesmith and Pritchard, I doubt they would have drafted Bane. Nesmith, Langford and Bane seems like an awful lot of redundancy from young guys on the wings when you have Tatum and Brown on the roster. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 5, 2021 16:54:52 GMT -5
I get not drafting him at 14, I don't get not drafting him at 30. That looked like crazy luck, like it was meant to be and he traded him to save 5 million. First, I agree I did not want the to trade that pick. I’m sure there was another way to deal Kanter. My guess is, I’d they knew how Hayward played out they wouldn’t have done that move. Second, after taking Nesmith and Pritchard, I doubt they would have drafted Bane. Nesmith, Langford and Bane seems like an awful lot of redundancy from young guys on the wings when you have Tatum and Brown on the roster. You really feel that way, like we have too many wings? Tatum can play literally 2-5 in certain matchups, Brown can play 2-4 and both Nesmith and Bane are 6'6". I don't see the issue, they can play together no? I see no reason why they couldn't and you can never have enough shooters right? The biggest thing for me is Bane was clearly the best guy left for me, so you take him regardless. I don't know what Danny was thinking, after admitting he kinda new Hayward wanted a bigger role. The whole board thinks he didn't want that Pacers trade. Yet one things for sure, he certainly read something wrong. You didn't even have to trade Kanter, cutting him just cost five million. The only way that matters is if they plan on trading for a guy making around 20 million and that seems rather unlikely. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 5, 2021 18:02:36 GMT -5
First, I agree I did not want the to trade that pick. I’m sure there was another way to deal Kanter. My guess is, I’d they knew how Hayward played out they wouldn’t have done that move. Second, after taking Nesmith and Pritchard, I doubt they would have drafted Bane. Nesmith, Langford and Bane seems like an awful lot of redundancy from young guys on the wings when you have Tatum and Brown on the roster. You really feel that way, like we have too many wings? Tatum can play literally 2-5 in certain matchups, Brown can play 2-4 and both Nesmith and Bane are 6'6". I don't see the issue, they can play together no? I see no reason why they couldn't and you can never have enough shooters right? The biggest thing for me is Bane was clearly the best guy left for me, so you take him regardless. I don't know what Danny was thinking, after admitting he kinda new Hayward wanted a bigger role. The whole board thinks he didn't want that Pacers trade. Yet one things for sure, he certainly read something wrong. You didn't even have to trade Kanter, cutting him just cost five million. The only way that matters is if they plan on trading for a guy making around 20 million and that seems rather unlikely. You are the one who said Hayward was a bad fit for the team because of Tatum and Brown and now having 3 young wings to develop isn’t a big deal. I do understand taking best player tho but I just don’t think you would have seen Danny take another wing after having Nesmith and Langford. Right or wrong. It’s futile anyways since we both agree they should have made the pick and kept it. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 6, 2021 1:41:06 GMT -5
You really feel that way, like we have too many wings? Tatum can play literally 2-5 in certain matchups, Brown can play 2-4 and both Nesmith and Bane are 6'6". I don't see the issue, they can play together no? I see no reason why they couldn't and you can never have enough shooters right? The biggest thing for me is Bane was clearly the best guy left for me, so you take him regardless. I don't know what Danny was thinking, after admitting he kinda new Hayward wanted a bigger role. The whole board thinks he didn't want that Pacers trade. Yet one things for sure, he certainly read something wrong. You didn't even have to trade Kanter, cutting him just cost five million. The only way that matters is if they plan on trading for a guy making around 20 million and that seems rather unlikely. You are the one who said Hayward was a bad fit for the team because of Tatum and Brown and now having 3 young wings to develop isn’t a big deal. I do understand taking best player tho but I just don’t think you would have seen Danny take another wing after having Nesmith and Langford. Right or wrong. It’s futile anyways since we both agree they should have made the pick and kept it. Not liking your five best players not being able to play big minutes, when one is making max money, not letting Tatum and Brown fully develop as play makers and so-so on D isn't the same as depth. If they develop into those type of guys, that's a good problem as you'd have trade bait right? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 6, 2021 19:58:48 GMT -5
I wasn’t happy when Brown was first picked but I’m happy to say I’ve been extremely anti trading him going back to before the Leonard stuff.
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Post by wcp3 on Jan 6, 2021 20:52:19 GMT -5
Smart with one of the least intelligent plays at the end of the half. Rob Will makes one play like that every couple weeks and he’s in the doghouse.
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Post by cdj on Jan 6, 2021 22:00:31 GMT -5
These boys finishing STRONG
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Post by cdj on Jan 6, 2021 22:03:02 GMT -5
Premature conclusion by me!
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Post by cdj on Jan 6, 2021 22:07:35 GMT -5
WE HAVE THE FASTEST PP IN THE LAND
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 6, 2021 22:14:40 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 6, 2021 22:20:56 GMT -5
How did Semi get no second half minutes or did I just miss them?
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Post by wcp3 on Jan 6, 2021 22:24:48 GMT -5
How did Semi get no second half minutes or did I just miss them? Curious if he’s injured. Carsen did some nice things out there but Semi was playing well. |
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Post by philarhody on Jan 6, 2021 22:45:24 GMT -5
Tatum and Theis whining to the officials and not getting back on defense accounted for 7 points and the Heat getting back into the game. For Tatum, that’s unacceptable. For Theis, who literally DID NOT GET BACK ON DEFENSE FOR TWO HEAT POSSESSIONS IN A ROW until Dragic hit the tying shot, that’s unbelievable.
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Post by philarhody on Jan 6, 2021 22:47:06 GMT -5
Also, it’s the worst kept secret in the league that when Theis and Thompson play together, the Celtics are laughably bad. On both sides of the ball. If Brad won’t end this, Danny needs to.
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Post by cdj on Jan 6, 2021 22:55:01 GMT -5
Tatum and Theis whining to the officials and not getting back on defense accounted for 7 points and the Heat getting back into the game. For Tatum, that’s unacceptable. For Theis, who literally DID NOT GET BACK ON DEFENSE FOR TWO HEAT POSSESSIONS IN A ROW until Dragic hit the tying shot, that’s unbelievable. Pretty sure he took a hard spill on that play |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 6, 2021 23:51:50 GMT -5
Also, it’s the worst kept secret in the league that when Theis and Thompson play together, the Celtics are laughably bad. On both sides of the ball. If Brad won’t end this, Danny needs to. I'm flat out speculating here, but I think this might be in preparation of a future trade that gets us a big that can make an outside that. If that's not the case then yeah, Theis and Thompson together won't work unless one of them pick up a reliable outside shot. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 7, 2021 4:21:23 GMT -5
Given the injuries, given the short camp, given Steven's playing the wrong two bigs it's a big positive being 6-3. I mean that was a crazy finish, game over crazy run, followed by oh shit crazy run and Pritchard get a put back to win it.
It's almost criminal Robert Williams is getting 15 minutes.
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Post by philarhody on Jan 7, 2021 6:21:30 GMT -5
Tatum and Theis whining to the officials and not getting back on defense accounted for 7 points and the Heat getting back into the game. For Tatum, that’s unacceptable. For Theis, who literally DID NOT GET BACK ON DEFENSE FOR TWO HEAT POSSESSIONS IN A ROW until Dragic hit the tying shot, that’s unbelievable. Pretty sure he took a hard spill on that play He did take a hard spill. But you have to get back. That’s not the time to sell the call. Edit: I could also just be pissed that whining Theis is out there instead of Williams, who is just better. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 7, 2021 7:10:11 GMT -5
I wouldn’t worry about Williams minutes, just worry about his consistency. His minutes will come if that stays. It’s early, as a coach, you don’t just strip Theis’s minutes away and give them to another guy. It’s not like Theis as sucked AND you have asked him to play a whole new position.
Plus, I still think Williams might be playing himself into shape to be able to handle 25 a night. I love how hard he plays and it’s how he has to play, but it’s hard to play big minutes playing that way and it’s hard to replicate that conditioning in a short offseason w/ no preseason.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 7, 2021 7:15:36 GMT -5
This was an interesting tidbit in the middle of a Steven’s quote:
“I thought that our guys started great, gave good effort, waned a little bit. More guys asking to come out than usual after long stints and I don’t know if that was a function of just playing hard early or being tired from the trip, or whatever the case may be. “
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Post by wcp3 on Jan 7, 2021 12:27:45 GMT -5
Tatum and Theis whining to the officials and not getting back on defense accounted for 7 points and the Heat getting back into the game. For Tatum, that’s unacceptable. For Theis, who literally DID NOT GET BACK ON DEFENSE FOR TWO HEAT POSSESSIONS IN A ROW until Dragic hit the tying shot, that’s unbelievable. After Pritchard’s game-winning putback, Theis’ first reaction was to the turn to the official to complain. I hate when people try to read body language from afar, but that just rubbed me the wrong way. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 7, 2021 12:53:02 GMT -5
I hate when there isn’t a game on....
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 7, 2021 14:57:09 GMT -5
Robert Williams has the highest per on the team at 26.5, third behind only Tatum and Brown in box score plus minus, best offensive and defensive rating on the team at 131 and 102. His per 36 minute totals are 14.8 points, 14.3 rebounds, 1.4 assists, 2.5 steals and 3.3 blocks.
Sure part of that is likely his bench role, yet it seems kinda clear Robert Williams is the best big we have, not just on D, yet also offense. That upside that had me yelling for Danny to draft him has arrived. Yeah he's not a finished product, which is the scary part, yet he's made massive improvements once again. He's literally become an impactful big and if he keeps this up we might be looking at a future DPOY player.
I'm not saying Theis shouldn't play, I love Theis. Yet why isn't he at minimum playing the same amount of minutes as those two? Heck it would seem if you're determined to play two bigs, that one of them should be Williams.
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