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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 15, 2021 15:37:26 GMT -5
That is 10 strikeouts and yesterday was 11 strikeouts. they have to cut down on all the strikwouts. Unfortunately we have those kinds of players that strikeout a lot I mean, the league right now has a 25% K rate. That's 29%, so it's not even that much higher than typical.
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Post by manfred on Apr 15, 2021 15:37:27 GMT -5
Ottavino has been a disappointment so far. Big time. I thought that was a great get, and it still might be. But the combination of the control issues he’s always had and increased hittability? Not great.
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 15, 2021 15:37:31 GMT -5
Relievers can be a crap shoot and so far it feels like Ottavino's been leaning the wrong way this year.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 15, 2021 15:39:21 GMT -5
That was a nice pitch.
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Post by manfred on Apr 15, 2021 15:39:44 GMT -5
That is 10 strikeouts and yesterday was 11 strikeouts. they have to cut down on all the strikwouts. Unfortunately we have those kinds of players that strikeout a lot I mean, the league right now has a 25% K rate. That's 29%, so it's not even that much higher than typical. I think the *cluster* is the bigger problem. 5 of the 10 are in the 7-9 hitters. Again, it might not matter... 1-6 might create enough scoring with occasional help down below that they are fine. But having almost automatic outs down there could become a problem.
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 15, 2021 15:40:01 GMT -5
That is 10 strikeouts and yesterday was 11 strikeouts. they have to cut down on all the strikwouts. Unfortunately we have those kinds of players that strikeout a lot I mean, the league right now has a 25% K rate. That's 29%, so it's not even that much higher than typical. Coming into today, the team's offense was ranked 5th best in the majors in avoiding the strikeout.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 15, 2021 15:40:04 GMT -5
Yeah we’ll see how it goes but that Ottavino trade coupled with selling low on Benintendi were probably my two least favorite moves Bloom made.
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 15, 2021 15:41:18 GMT -5
Yuck. Way too many hittable pitches from Ottavino, no command within the zone.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 15, 2021 15:41:33 GMT -5
And that's it. The bloop hit doesn't bother me, but the walk and HBP pisses me off. Nice streak. Too bad it's done.
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Post by humanbeingbean on Apr 15, 2021 15:41:46 GMT -5
Hold your heads high, fellas! Amazing streak and can’t win them all
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Post by kjkramer on Apr 15, 2021 15:41:49 GMT -5
Uggghhhhh. Ottavino melt down
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Post by jkfer98 on Apr 15, 2021 15:41:56 GMT -5
Gross!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 15, 2021 15:42:11 GMT -5
Crap team.
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Post by manfred on Apr 15, 2021 15:42:34 GMT -5
Ugh. Not a good appearance. Still, 3/4 from the Twins is good. They look like a good team, and they are a competitor for a playoff spot. Overall successful.
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Post by Coreno on Apr 15, 2021 15:45:53 GMT -5
Yeah we’ll see how it goes but that Ottavino trade coupled with selling low on Benintendi were probably my two least favorite moves Bloom made. ... seriously?
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Post by nomar on Apr 15, 2021 15:46:13 GMT -5
Yeah we’ll see how it goes but that Ottavino trade coupled with selling low on Benintendi were probably my two least favorite moves Bloom made. Frank German could still give surplus value even if Ottavino bombs. That trade seems low risk to me
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Post by cdj on Apr 15, 2021 15:46:18 GMT -5
I was hoping for a split entering the series, needless to say I’m pretty happy coming out with 3 and showing some heart in the loss
I expect Ottavino to get things squared away eventually, he’s definitely no longer towards the top of my trust meter though. It’s Barnes and everybody else
Either way they got a free live arm for adding him, I don’t know how anybody could perceive that as a bad trade even if Ottavino does end up stinking
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Apr 15, 2021 15:46:26 GMT -5
Yeah we’ll see how it goes but that Ottavino trade coupled with selling low on Benintendi were probably my two least favorite moves Bloom made. How could that have been one of your least favorite moves? They got a legitimate prospect and an MLB reliever who, admittedly, hasn't been great so far for cash. Unless you're secretly in the ownership group and it's your money that's being sent over, I'm not sure how anyone could dislike the move at all. If you don't love Ottavino, sure, but it's as low risk as low risk gets from a fan perspective.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 15, 2021 15:50:21 GMT -5
I was hoping for a split entering the series, needless to say I’m pretty happy coming out with 3 and showing some heart in the loss I expect Ottavino to get things squared away eventually, he’s definitely no longer towards the top of my trust meter though. It’s Barnes and everybody else Either way they got a free live arm for adding him, I don’t know how anybody could perceive that as a bad trade even if Ottavino does end up stinking Because it helped the Yankees who are our top competitor and required us to make other moves to stay under the luxury cap. Getting a low level prospect back doesn’t seem like a big win to me.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Apr 15, 2021 15:51:43 GMT -5
I remember Franchy hitting with San diego and he was a beast that would hit bombs all the time. he has not barreled up anything that I have seen yet. To me. it seems his bat is dragging a bit.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 15, 2021 15:52:45 GMT -5
Yeah we’ll see how it goes but that Ottavino trade coupled with selling low on Benintendi were probably my two least favorite moves Bloom made. How could that have been one of your least favorite moves? They got a legitimate prospect and an MLB reliever who, admittedly, hasn't been great so far for cash. Unless you're secretly in the ownership group and it's your money that's being sent over, I'm not sure how anyone could dislike the move at all. If you don't love Ottavino, sure, but it's as low risk as low risk gets from a fan perspective. It's a "bad" trade if Ottavino is awful and detrimental to the cause (think Eric Gagne in 2007) and German winds up being a fringy ineffective reliever, and the $8 million it cost them could have been used on an effective reliever. Don't ask me who because at this point I don't know. I liked Rosenthal and Yates but didn't know there arms were completely burnt toast. I liked Colome but he hasn't lit the world on fire for Minnesota yet although he did pick up the win today. So yes, it could be a bad trade, but nothing that's awful or brutal. It's not like they lost talent in the deal. As for as the Benintendi deal goes it could wind up being a steal, 5 players for a declining player. Or as Manfred said, it could be a lot of nothing for nothing, but like the Ottavino deal, it was creative thinking designed to increased the odds that they get a good outcome out of the deal.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Apr 15, 2021 15:55:54 GMT -5
I am not against the deal that was made, but i was hoping he would be a solid set-up man for Barnes. that is up in the air now.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 15, 2021 15:58:53 GMT -5
I am all for patience with everyone... except Renfroe. I think he just is not good. He has a career wRC+ of 136 against lefties and 85 against righties. The problem is that he's had more ABs against righties so far. With that sort of usage we have to expect him to be an average hitter at best (and a power-heavy average at that, which makes me wonder if he suffers especially from the deader ball). I also don't love that his offense has been trending down since 2018.
I guess we just have to hope Duran comes up relatively soon and none of the outfielders suffer any injuries so that he can be worked into more of a pure platoon role.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 15, 2021 16:02:22 GMT -5
The game was lost on Dalbec's error.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Apr 15, 2021 16:11:59 GMT -5
So Ottavino’s been a giant kick in the nuts so far.
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