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Post by texs31 on Aug 2, 2021 19:43:51 GMT -5
Still trying to figure out the long-term path. If this is about trying to create space for Beal next year, does that mean you're walking away from Marcus and RWill for nothing?
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Post by cdj on Aug 2, 2021 19:54:51 GMT -5
Still trying to figure out the long-term path. If this is about trying to create space for Beal next year, does that mean you're walking away from Marcus and RWill for nothing? I know Himmelsbach came out and said they aren’t moving Smart but it wouldn’t shock me if they move him for a 1st + This is absolutely a bridge year but it’s a necessary one. I didnt really see a path forward for them to be meaningfully better this upcoming season, so they’re better off having as much flexibility as possible next season to hopefully add the 3rd piece and some quality support around them I’d have liked Lonzo but I’m not sure they’d have a championship ceiling with him as the 3rd piece. Maybe. He’s really talented and could still improve. But idk
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 2, 2021 19:55:10 GMT -5
Only if it's actually a bridge to something... I absolutely LOATHE "cap flexibility" as an asset. I get why teams do it and if you can land Beal you should do it, but it might as well not work and you wasted time and made your team worse for nothing.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 2, 2021 20:13:29 GMT -5
Still trying to figure out the long-term path. If this is about trying to create space for Beal next year, does that mean you're walking away from Marcus and RWill for nothing? I think they can get to a spot they can keep Rob Williams and add Beal if they can move Grant Williams, Horford and Edwards.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 2, 2021 20:23:52 GMT -5
Actually, Al's partial guarantee was mistakenly omitted from my spreadsheet.
If I have it right, Tatum/Brown/Pritchard/Nesmith/Langford would total a 70.8 Cap Hit. Still have 93K in dead money.
Robert Williams QO would be just shy of 11M
Add in another 5.5 for the incomplete roster and you have 25M in space (depending on where the cap falls). And that doesn't include a hold for their 1st round pick (including that would shave ~925K off that incomplete roster charge).
So you're in the 24-25M range. Again, this is all based on estimates for next year's cap.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 3, 2021 9:58:14 GMT -5
Just my two cents, yet you can't do everything chasing one guy who literally just didn't request a trade. Reports they are closing in on Dinwiddie, they got Holiday. That's a massive influx of talent combined with the Westbrook trade.
The Pelicans trade Ball for a second and filler, yet trade a first for Graham.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 3, 2021 10:20:20 GMT -5
Just my two cents, yet you can't do everything chasing one guy who literally just didn't request a trade. Reports they are closing in on Dinwiddie, they got Holiday. That's a massive influx of talent combined with the Westbrook trade. The Pelicans trade Ball for a second and filler, yet trade a first for Graham. No leverage in the Ball situation. Teams do sign and trades to get something for nothing.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 3, 2021 11:28:47 GMT -5
Umm the Pelicans created that situation. First not trading him at deadline, then multiple reports saying $18 million was there max. Could you handle that situation any worse?
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 3, 2021 13:49:59 GMT -5
Umm the Pelicans created that situation. First not trading him at deadline, then multiple reports saying $18 million was there max. Could you handle that situation any worse? They were trying to make the playoffs last year no? Why wouldn’t you keep him in that situation? Teams trade picks for rentals to make the playoffs all the time.
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Post by mobaz on Aug 3, 2021 14:17:11 GMT -5
Kendrick Nunn non-tendered. He's someone I'd have some interest in but not sure how he fits with sudden guard glut.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 3, 2021 14:21:01 GMT -5
C's interested in Danny Green, per BRobb (MassLive)
If this is the path they are taking, then any player that gets in the way of Langford, Nesmith and, to some extent, Pritchard (though I'd rather see him start getting more time running point) getting significant minutes will drive me nuts.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 3, 2021 14:29:52 GMT -5
I've never liked Danny Green (then again, I am a Duke, not UNC, fan!). Overrated in my view.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 3, 2021 15:06:01 GMT -5
I've never liked Danny Green (then again, I am a Duke, not UNC, fan!). Overrated in my view. I’m a Duke fan and Danny Green has been such a great role player in the NBA that i can’t help but respect him. However, why would he come here for midlevel money? If he does, it’s probably because he loves our coach.
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Post by cdj on Aug 3, 2021 15:31:58 GMT -5
Derozan is a Bull now
Lavine, Derozan, Vucevic, Ball is such a weird core
They should be solid, don’t get me wrong. Just weird
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Post by jmei on Aug 3, 2021 15:36:11 GMT -5
Derozan is a Bull now Lavine, Derozan, Vucevic, Ball is such a weird core They should solid, don’t get me wrong. Just weird Sounds like a ceiling of 50 wins and a second-round exit for a few years. Not something I would have given up all those picks for.
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Post by cdj on Aug 3, 2021 15:39:52 GMT -5
Derozan is a Bull now Lavine, Derozan, Vucevic, Ball is such a weird core They should solid, don’t get me wrong. Just weird Sounds like a ceiling of 50 wins and a second-round exit for a few years. Not something I would have given up all those picks for. I did just realize they still have Coby White. That will be their wild card
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 3, 2021 16:00:25 GMT -5
Umm the Pelicans created that situation. First not trading him at deadline, then multiple reports saying $18 million was there max. Could you handle that situation any worse? They were trying to make the playoffs last year no? Why wouldn’t you keep him in that situation? Teams trade picks for rentals to make the playoffs all the time. Because this is basketball and they were just trying to get to a playin game, which they weren't even that close too. Even after that, why tell everyone you won't go over 18 million? A simple we'll match any offer gives you tons of leverage, even if you want to trade him. The Hornets weren't keeping Graham, yet they played it smart and got way more for an older lesser player.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 3, 2021 16:58:23 GMT -5
They were trying to make the playoffs last year no? Why wouldn’t you keep him in that situation? Teams trade picks for rentals to make the playoffs all the time. Because this is basketball and they were just trying to get to a playin game, which they weren't even that close too. Even after that, why tell everyone you won't go over 18 million? A simple we'll match any offer gives you tons of leverage, even if you want to trade him. The Hornets weren't keeping Graham, yet they played it smart and got way more for an older lesser player. Fair
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 3, 2021 17:51:57 GMT -5
Kendrick Nunn non-tendered. He's someone I'd have some interest in but not sure how he fits with sudden guard glut. He'd make too much sense, you can't do that, you have to keep flexibility to have a chance to be scorned by a bigshot free agent next summer. If Lauri Legend ends up non-tendered and we do nothing about it I'll riot.
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Post by philarhody on Aug 3, 2021 17:55:50 GMT -5
Sounds like a ceiling of 50 wins and a second-round exit for a few years. Not something I would have given up all those picks for. I did just realize they still have Coby White. That will be their wild card Also have Patrick Williams. They should probably be better than Boston by a good margin.
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Post by mobaz on Aug 3, 2021 18:08:46 GMT -5
The Bulls have a lot more good players than we do.
Even the mid level and minimum guys are flying off the board (mostly to the Lakers and Heat). I'm starting to get worried about the passivity.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 3, 2021 19:08:49 GMT -5
Yam Mader wants to play in the NBA this year - i say there’s no chance Brad let’s that happens
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 3, 2021 19:44:03 GMT -5
Guys are we like... Tanking?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 4, 2021 0:25:01 GMT -5
I can understand wanting flexibility, not saying I agree, yet it makes sense. Yet reports saying the 5.7 million exception is basically not an option makes zero sense.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 4, 2021 5:00:05 GMT -5
I can understand wanting flexibility, not saying I agree, yet it makes sense. Yet reports saying the 5.7 million exception is basically not an option makes zero sense. Can you use the MLE every year or is it an every other one? I get confused
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