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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 3, 2021 13:44:45 GMT -5
Since being "exposed" how has Devers been with the fastball?
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Post by stevedillard on Jun 3, 2021 13:45:44 GMT -5
Boy did we need that. Arroyo continues to be solid! I saw yesterday's lineup and the first inning squander, wondered by Dalbec was batting ahead of Arroyo.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 3, 2021 13:48:14 GMT -5
Yes....you cannot protect everyone. A small sample of this fall’s Rule 5 eligible: Jeter Downs #2 Karen Duran #3 Josh Winckowski #24 Thaddeus Ward #7 Kaleb Ort Gilberto Jimenez #4 Durbin Feltman #28 Kutter Crawford Bryan Bello #9 Is that more than a normal year? Seems like a lot. The Rule 5 list includes 61 players, but it seems to me like there are more highly ranked players on it. It could be larger as Bloom has acquired a number of player like Winckowski who are on the list.
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Post by joshuacoffee on Jun 3, 2021 13:49:01 GMT -5
It is ridiculous that first base is the offensive black hole that it is. In fairness, coming into the season expectations were pretty low for this team, so maybe they just figured if there were no playoffs coming for this team they could just let Dalbec sink or swim to see if maybe he might prove to be able to hit just enough to let his power play. But now we are in a different place. The Sox are pleasantly in a playoff chase. Dalbec isn't hitting. Of first basemen with at least 90 ABs, he's 33rd in OPS. It's so bad that he got pitch hit for with Danny Santana, who is hitting below the Mendoza line. If you're going to give up on the season, by all means, keep trotting Bobby Dalbec out there to see if he can maybe figure something out and isn't just a worse version of Michael Chavis. It seems like the worst solution is to keep Dalbec on the big league roster and not keep him playing. If he's not playing, he's probably not getting better and if the alternative is Danny Santana (or Marwin Gonzalez), its not like that is a notable upgrade. If you want to see if you can compete this season, go find a first baseman who is going to hit .220 with 25 HR power, because that would be a sizable upgrade over what they are getting at first base right now, and should be relatively cheap to get. Might even be able to find someone who could hit .240. The idea that they don't have to address the issue of first base because they have been winning now is crazy. Teams looking to win in the post season make moves during the season not in spite of the fact that they are playing well, but because of it. Did you ever consider that bloom might think they don't have the ponies this year to chase a ring by giving up future assets. I did consider that, which is why I said "if you're going to give up on the season, by all means, keep trotting Bobby Dalbec out there..." I'm mostly just agreeing with many others on here that he should be played or sent down. I'm just also pointing out that that should be reflective of what the goals for the season are. If you want to compete this year, send him down and go get someone. If not keep playing him. I'm certainly not suggesting that we give up much for a replacement, unless its a long term replacement, but there are plenty of other options out there that should be relatively cheap that would be an upgrade. It's not like mediocre hitting first basemen are considered high value commodities. Heck, if you don't want to give up anything, at this point go sign Logan Morrison out of the Atlantic League. There's a fair chance he'd be better than Dalbec/Santana/Gonzalez.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 3, 2021 13:55:09 GMT -5
I’d say not signing Odorizzi was a good move. I was all for that move, too. Signing him, I mean. Maybe a "change of scenery" like Benintendi would do him well.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 3, 2021 14:13:14 GMT -5
Pretty good won’t get it done. Won't it? The Red Sox are 4th in the AL in bWAR behind the Blue Jays, White Sox, and Rays. That would put them in wild card position. I dunno, I guess I'm trying to figure what the complaint is exactly... The Red Sox definitely have some holes. But so does every other AL team. Is there something about these WAR totals that should make us think they're worse than their record?
You're the one who threw out wRC+ as a delineator. All I did was show you how past teams in the 2000s that won the division or advanced far in the playoffs compared and said this team didn't measure up to that. Now you're moving goal posts, sir.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 3, 2021 14:25:31 GMT -5
'Sup Fellas !! Oh Bobby.... Dear Lord...that was a foot inside. Wont stay in the majors for too long with that judgement
We got today's game boys. Get 1 and get out of town. Things didn't line up well this series, that happens sometimes.
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Post by manfred on Jun 3, 2021 14:26:12 GMT -5
Watching Dalbec is starting to get rough. But... is it just me, or does it feel like pitchers make especially tough pitches against him? I feel sorry for him.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 3, 2021 14:31:06 GMT -5
Watching Dalbec is starting to get rough. But... is it just me, or does it feel like pitchers make especially tough pitches against him? I feel sorry for him. i haven't seen enough live action, but, that pitch he swung at last at bat for strike 2 wasnt close. Coupled with the fact that he apparently hasn't made a lot of contact is a bad mix. He has some time to get it right. I think they should stick with him.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 3, 2021 14:43:11 GMT -5
JD...ripped
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 3, 2021 14:46:20 GMT -5
what a sh*t call for strike 3 to X !!!
OMG....and now Hunter...neither pitch was a strike.. Eff that !!
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Post by Guidas on Jun 3, 2021 14:49:40 GMT -5
Robo umps at home should be a non-negotiable item must include in the CBA.
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Post by slam761 on Jun 3, 2021 14:52:34 GMT -5
I'm not watching, but 37 pitches through 4 innings for Perez seems pretty cool.
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Post by marrcus on Jun 3, 2021 14:53:22 GMT -5
On the road, game of inches, too close to take. Hope that wasted op doesn't cost.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 3, 2021 14:54:35 GMT -5
Perez - 37 pitches through 4 innings - ERA 3.29 - he has been the best Red Sox starter through the first third of the season - the Red Sox ace....
I was all for resigning him and glad Bloom did with an option (which I am sure will be picked up this time directly).
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Post by joshuacoffee on Jun 3, 2021 14:59:34 GMT -5
That was a nice play be Dalbec and Perez.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 3, 2021 15:06:14 GMT -5
On the road, game of inches, too close to take. Hope that wasted op doesn't cost. they were close, but not that close. The ump appears to want to get out of there. Cora got tossed....good for him.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 3, 2021 15:14:49 GMT -5
Won't it? The Red Sox are 4th in the AL in bWAR behind the Blue Jays, White Sox, and Rays. That would put them in wild card position. I dunno, I guess I'm trying to figure what the complaint is exactly... The Red Sox definitely have some holes. But so does every other AL team. Is there something about these WAR totals that should make us think they're worse than their record?
You're the one who threw out wRC+ as a delineator. All I did was show you how past teams in the 2000s that won the division or advanced far in the playoffs compared and said this team didn't measure up to that. Now you're moving goal posts, sir. Eh? You said "If this is going to be a playoff team, this WAR per position is unsustainable." But it seems to me that 4th best WAR in the league is on pace to be a playoff team.
If you're going back to the earlier conversation about wRC+, this team is at 106 (I think they weere at 111 at the time of that conversation). The 2017 team was 91! Most of the playoff teams were around 110 or so, so it's not like they're way of the pace. Basically the pitching and offense of the 2021 Red Sox are both above average. Not spectacular, but pretty good.
Oh well. I'm not trying to say the team doesn't have holes so there's probably nothing here really worth arguing.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 3, 2021 15:22:11 GMT -5
same situation....come on X take that the other way.
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Post by stevedillard on Jun 3, 2021 15:22:31 GMT -5
Watching Dalbec is starting to get rough. But... is it just me, or does it feel like pitchers make especially tough pitches against him? I feel sorry for him. i haven't seen enough live action, but, that pitch he swung at last at bat for strike 2 wasnt close. Coupled with the fact that he apparently hasn't made a lot of contact is a bad mix. He has some time to get it right. I think they should stick with him. I recall he has a great arm. With him not able to hit in the majors, and us needing pitchers, how about a position change;) Kidding aside, I've always been skeptical of kids with bad hit tools, no matter how hot they can get for a brief period with power. I'd prefer he not be on the Sox anymore. We should be able to pick up for little cost a non-descript, late career Sean Casey/Moreland/Olerud guy who produces contact and hits.
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Post by Smittyw on Jun 3, 2021 15:25:41 GMT -5
This is more like it, lads.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 3, 2021 15:26:29 GMT -5
X !! That wasn't gonna happen twice against the best SS to ever play the game.......
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 3, 2021 15:28:48 GMT -5
i haven't seen enough live action, but, that pitch he swung at last at bat for strike 2 wasnt close. Coupled with the fact that he apparently hasn't made a lot of contact is a bad mix. He has some time to get it right. I think they should stick with him. I recall he has a great arm. With him not able to hit in the majors, and us needing pitchers, how about a position change;) Kidding aside, I've always been skeptical of kids with bad hit tools, no matter how hot they can get for a brief period with power. I'd prefer he not be on the Sox anymore. We should be able to pick up for little cost a non-descript, late career Sean Casey/Moreland/Olerud guy who produces contact and hits. i can understand. I think his power is something you gotta try and ride with for a certain period. Not sure the length, though
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Post by manfred on Jun 3, 2021 15:34:37 GMT -5
Perez has been ridiculous today. I was not for signing him last year, but these two (partial) seasons have made me a huge believer. Guy is so solid at the back end of a rotation.
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Post by unitspin on Jun 3, 2021 15:35:30 GMT -5
Perez - 37 pitches through 4 innings - ERA 3.29 - he has been the best Red Sox starter through the first third of the season - the Red Sox ace.... I was all for resigning him and glad Bloom did with an option (which I am sure will be picked up this time directly). As the resident perez backer id say the reason his numbers are as good as they are is keeping his innings down. If he is only giving 6 innings a game he will most likely keep this up all season long. Guys deff a "valuable" pitcher not a 5 starter.
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