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Bruins '21 OFFSEASON Thread
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 28, 2021 20:21:57 GMT -5
Then if that is the case, if he fails I hope it costs him his job. Because the next move is a rebuild.
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Post by cdj on Jul 28, 2021 20:26:50 GMT -5
Ullmark is a good starter
I think it was a little strange to go 4 years/ 20 mill on him but the guy is really talented. I love the idea of him and Swayman in a pairing.
Is it the best allocation of cap given our needs for a top pairing D? Maybe not. I Like the player a lot though and I think he’s talented enough to get vezina votes. It’s really hard to look as good as he did on such a bad team
To me it’s the same thing as giving Coleman $5 mill- it’s not what they need most but it makes them a better player
It’s also probably smart to not run Swayman into the ground like the flyers did with Hart
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Post by texs31 on Jul 28, 2021 20:40:35 GMT -5
Like all the players they acquired but I'm not sure how they fit. Especially if Krejci returns.
While I advocated for a vet goalie, I'm stunned they signed one to a contract like that.
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Post by cdj on Jul 28, 2021 20:55:29 GMT -5
The way I look at it is they’re easing Swayman into the league like they did with Tuukka
If they both pan out they have an elite tandem for under $6 mill
They’re also for sure not done. Debrusk is def getting dealt after today’s moves
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Post by dangermike on Jul 28, 2021 21:11:08 GMT -5
I'm also not sure why we're loading up on so many LWs. For an hour or two earlier today I was wondering if we were going to see some kind of blockbuster (Eichel?) built around Swayman and Frederic. Noticed that as well, I was wondering why the LW depth buildup, even though 3 of the additions are also listed as capable of center, and Foligno listed as RW too. I'm trying to imagine the plan is to have more veteran leadership in that bottom 6. A guy like Foligno brings that at least? Say Studnika comes up a lot and gets a lot of minutes, more mentorship in game on his line? Otherwise I can't make some of these moves add up. seems pretty obvious- during the playoffs, bostons bottom 6 was a complete black hole so they have begun to make moves (on the very first day of free agency) to address that. some of these moves will result in players playing for the bruins while some might be talent acquisition for a later trade. either way, the moves made thus far were in an attempt to improve the current roster so the bruins fare better in the playoffs this upcoming season.
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Post by homerdante on Jul 28, 2021 23:22:05 GMT -5
www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/mike-felger-rips-bruins-they-are-petrified-moving-tuukka-raskHa, Felger on a rant after Sweeney's comments today about his thinking with Ullmark and giving Tukka (WHO IS NO LONGER ON THE TEAM CURRENTLY), time to recover. Does Tukka have dirt on the front office? Why the fear from moving on from a guy who--to be clear--never won you a Stanley cup. He did choke in two, but didn't actually win you one, Thomas did. Why are we afraid to move on from him?
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Post by cdj on Jul 28, 2021 23:32:50 GMT -5
There’s so much I find fault with in that post I’m not even going to get into all of it.
He didn’t choke a couple years ago. He was the only reason they were there. Can’t say the same about line 1 tho
Get your takes from somebody other than Felger
The most wrongfully disrespected athlete in Boston sports history. He’s had to deal with fools that know nothing about hockey complaining about him for a decade now, I’m glad he can take a little break. Ask an NHL player what they think about him, and not a talk radio hack whose 4th sport is hockey
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Post by beasleyrockah on Jul 28, 2021 23:58:04 GMT -5
www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/mike-felger-rips-bruins-they-are-petrified-moving-tuukka-raskHa, Felger on a rant after Sweeney's comments today about his thinking with Ullmark and giving Tukka (WHO IS NO LONGER ON THE TEAM CURRENTLY), time to recover. Does Tukka have dirt on the front office? Why the fear from moving on from a guy who--to be clear--never won you a Stanley cup. He did choke in two, but didn't actually win you won, Thomas did. Why are we afraid to move on from him? Why would you burn the bridge with Rask, what's the upside in that other than giving content to talk radio goons? Instead, maybe Sweeney is trying to preserve the relationship because A.) injuries happen B.) Rask has suggested Boston is the only place he'll play C.) if an injury occurs, Rask will likely be the top replacement available, so preserving the relationship makes more sense than bashing a guy to the media for no actual gain. If Rask isn't needed, there's no obligation to take him back, but right now he's quality unofficial depth with no actual cost…why punt on that right now?
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Post by tizzle on Jul 29, 2021 0:16:03 GMT -5
There’s so much I find fault with in that post I’m not even going to get into all of it. He didn’t choke a couple years ago. He was the only reason they were there. Can’t say the same about line 1 tho Get your takes from somebody other than Felger The most wrongfully disrespected athlete in Boston sports history. He’s had to deal with fools that know nothing about hockey complaining about him for a decade now, I’m glad he can take a little break. Ask an NHL player what they think about him, and not a talk radio hack whose 4th sport is hockey I agree on how Rask has been disrespected, as I have said a few times here. I don't know exactly what Sweeney's comments were. If he's just keeping the door open in case a whole bunch of things go wrong. But you don't give out the contract they did to Linus Ullmark if you are seriously thinking you'll need to bring Rask back. I hope that's not what Sweeney is thinking, that he gave out $20 mil to hold the fort down unit February, because that would be ridiculous. It sounds like that's how Felger took it (and again, I gave no idea if he has any basis in interpreting it that way).
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Post by cdj on Jul 29, 2021 0:19:34 GMT -5
There’s so much I find fault with in that post I’m not even going to get into all of it. He didn’t choke a couple years ago. He was the only reason they were there. Can’t say the same about line 1 tho Get your takes from somebody other than Felger The most wrongfully disrespected athlete in Boston sports history. He’s had to deal with fools that know nothing about hockey complaining about him for a decade now, I’m glad he can take a little break. Ask an NHL player what they think about him, and not a talk radio hack whose 4th sport is hockey I agree on how Rask has been disrespected, as I have said a few times here. I don't know exactly what Sweeney's comments were. If he's just keeping the door open in case a whole bunch of things go wrong. But you don't give out the contract they did to Linus Ullmark if you are seriously thinking you'll need to bring Rask back. I hope that's not what Sweeney is thinking, that he gave out $20 mil to hold the fort down unit February, because that would be ridiculous. It sounds like that's how Felger took it (and again, I gave no idea if he has any basis in interpreting it that way). I think it’s pretty clear Rask is only coming back if a goalie gets hurt or Swayman isn’t ready yet. No need to close the book on him quite yet though…it’s needless They gave Ullmark a full NMC for two years, they decided on their starter for the immediate future
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Post by homerdante on Jul 29, 2021 4:33:12 GMT -5
There’s so much I find fault with in that post I’m not even going to get into all of it. He didn’t choke a couple years ago. He was the only reason they were there. Can’t say the same about line 1 tho Get your takes from somebody other than Felger The most wrongfully disrespected athlete in Boston sports history. He’s had to deal with fools that know nothing about hockey complaining about him for a decade now, I’m glad he can take a little break. Ask an NHL player what they think about him, and not a talk radio hack whose 4th sport is hockey I thought Felger's "take" was humorous, because it's hard to imagine Rask having dirt on the front office, clearly we're in hyperbole land--or it should be clear. Where I have "issues" is that if there is clearly a young goalie to start grooming (based on extremely strong recent performance, and past performance that led us to selecting him very highly in the draft) it's Swayman. How exactly that transition happens is certain debatable, I don't claim to have the definitive method on this, however, signing Ullmark for as large of a contract as we gave him, does SEEM on the surface to preclude this transfer of starting role to someone who looks worthy of being given the chance to take it. The savings on a starting goaltender that Swayman appears he might become, could have been leveraged. I think others felt similarly--there was a bit of a glimmer here for us to bolster a roster for a big run this year with money saved on goaltending and spent elsewhere. It is, however, strange to see Sweeney defer to how Rask is doing in his comments summarizing the decision to get Ullmark: www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/don-sweeney-explains-rationale-behind-linus-ullmark-signingRask may catch too much flack in this town because he's a dispassionate player. He's the Iceman to Top Gun's maverick. He just is, and Iceman is never the fan favorite, even if his efficiency rates are through the actual roof. He's unlikeable in some core way. I can totally get that, but that also those guys on the "lynch Iceman" side of things have one point, still at the end of the day. Rask did NOT deliver a Stanley Cup as a starter. That's the major fact they have that is viable at the end of the day. Other goalies stood on their head and delivered one. Hasek delivered 2 in a very long career, with 6 times as many Vezinas. As cool and focused as Rask seems to play a lot of the time, however, he also has these moments of loss of focus. I'm certain you could find at least one moment for every goalie in the world where this is true, however, with Rask, there seem to be these soft goals from time to time where you wonder if he's hungry, or something else temporarily distracted him, because his focus is NOT razor sharp when you think it would be for someone playing the Iceman style of goalie. The issue I have,really, is with Sweeney in all of this. His position might be justified in wanting some security and depth at the goalie position, ok, I'll bite. Several other goaltenders were available for this sort of veteran/Swayman tandem. However, the amount of money allotted to Ullmark was irresponsible in todays cap-confined league. The only scenario I can see where it works out, is Swayman ends up proving somehow he is what we saw last year or better, and then we unload Ullmark, who is also playing lights out as a major asset. However, I find this outcome to be a very low % likelihood outcome at the end of the day. What looks more likely is Ullmark is your starter, plays well enough that Swayman isn't getting enough starts, so you send him down to Providence so he can continue starting every day, however, this experience does virtually nothing for him. He needs to start against NHL talent at this point to be tested and brought along, the AHL isn't going to give him the experience he needs now. Rask is still available, potentially in any scenario to jump back into things if needed. His comments, by the way, are also what exacerbated this entire situation--he said he would not play for another team. That literally let you have a third goalie, effectively, sitting on your bench that you can sign whenever he's ready to play and the team needs him. That is such an additional luxury, it's almost unheard of in the game today. That paired with Swayman, and a serviceable veteran on a smallish contract, again, would have given really nice roster flexibility, the team seemingly decided to burn on fire like the joker in Nolan's Dark Knight. Just burn up that possible cap flexibility, who needs it anyway? The pendulum reaction from last year trying to go all youth movement to this year going, seemingly, all veterans for the bottom 6, is also a strange way to allocate funds. Some are anticipating JB is gone and that shoe just hasn't fallen yet, which at least gets you a little cash back for another need, but it's hard to see that this group of bottom 6 has-beens can produce any more than the kids did last year. The bottom 6 was mostly a black hole last year, and it's difficult to see that mediocre veterans is going to change that. I'd love to be wrong and see a resurgence from one of these guys. I just don't see a reason to expect it. Maybe a week here or there with one of them "feeling it" is worth stripping the playing time from a kid who might put something together from playing that week? I'm sure there are opportunity cost metrics for this stuff somewhere, I'm just not sure Sweeney would use them when there's cap money he could be wasting!
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Post by texs31 on Jul 29, 2021 7:17:24 GMT -5
So, the Bruins are currently at $1,089,326 in Cap Space per CapFriendly. Reminder though, this doesn't count a 2nd goalie as offseason cap space won't count 2-Way Waiver Exempt contracts like Swaymans. So they, technically, only have 1 G on the roster.
They can clear the following just by moving the contracts/players to the AHL
Blidh - 750K Kuhlman - 725K Wagner - 1.075M (the max you can bury so his remaining 275K would still be on the books).
If the do those, they can get to ~3.6M (again, not including Swayman).
IIRC, they can go over the cap by 10% during the offseason and either get down below before opening day (moving players OR using LTIR).
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Post by cdj on Jul 29, 2021 9:32:41 GMT -5
There’s so much I find fault with in that post I’m not even going to get into all of it. He didn’t choke a couple years ago. He was the only reason they were there. Can’t say the same about line 1 tho Get your takes from somebody other than Felger The most wrongfully disrespected athlete in Boston sports history. He’s had to deal with fools that know nothing about hockey complaining about him for a decade now, I’m glad he can take a little break. Ask an NHL player what they think about him, and not a talk radio hack whose 4th sport is hockey I thought Felger's "take" was humorous, because it's hard to imagine Rask having dirt on the front office, clearly we're in hyperbole land--or it should be clear. Where I have "issues" is that if there is clearly a young goalie to start grooming (based on extremely strong recent performance, and past performance that led us to selecting him very highly in the draft) it's Swayman. How exactly that transition happens is certain debatable, I don't claim to have the definitive method on this, however, signing Ullmark for as large of a contract as we gave him, does SEEM on the surface to preclude this transfer of starting role to someone who looks worthy of being given the chance to take it. The savings on a starting goaltender that Swayman appears he might become, could have been leveraged. I think others felt similarly--there was a bit of a glimmer here for us to bolster a roster for a big run this year with money saved on goaltending and spent elsewhere. It is, however, strange to see Sweeney defer to how Rask is doing in his comments summarizing the decision to get Ullmark: www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/don-sweeney-explains-rationale-behind-linus-ullmark-signingRask may catch too much flack in this town because he's a dispassionate player. He's the Iceman to Top Gun's maverick. He just is, and Iceman is never the fan favorite, even if his efficiency rates are through the actual roof. He's unlikeable in some core way. I can totally get that, but that also those guys on the "lynch Iceman" side of things have one point, still at the end of the day. Rask did NOT deliver a Stanley Cup as a starter. That's the major fact they have that is viable at the end of the day. Other goalies stood on their head and delivered one. Hasek delivered 2 in a very long career, with 6 times as many Vezinas. As cool and focused as Rask seems to play a lot of the time, however, he also has these moments of loss of focus. I'm certain you could find at least one moment for every goalie in the world where this is true, however, with Rask, there seem to be these soft goals from time to time where you wonder if he's hungry, or something else temporarily distracted him, because his focus is NOT razor sharp when you think it would be for someone playing the Iceman style of goalie. The issue I have,really, is with Sweeney in all of this. His position might be justified in wanting some security and depth at the goalie position, ok, I'll bite. Several other goaltenders were available for this sort of veteran/Swayman tandem. However, the amount of money allotted to Ullmark was irresponsible in todays cap-confined league. The only scenario I can see where it works out, is Swayman ends up proving somehow he is what we saw last year or better, and then we unload Ullmark, who is also playing lights out as a major asset. However, I find this outcome to be a very low % likelihood outcome at the end of the day. What looks more likely is Ullmark is your starter, plays well enough that Swayman isn't getting enough starts, so you send him down to Providence so he can continue starting every day, however, this experience does virtually nothing for him. He needs to start against NHL talent at this point to be tested and brought along, the AHL isn't going to give him the experience he needs now. Rask is still available, potentially in any scenario to jump back into things if needed. His comments, by the way, are also what exacerbated this entire situation--he said he would not play for another team. That literally let you have a third goalie, effectively, sitting on your bench that you can sign whenever he's ready to play and the team needs him. That is such an additional luxury, it's almost unheard of in the game today. That paired with Swayman, and a serviceable veteran on a smallish contract, again, would have given really nice roster flexibility, the team seemingly decided to burn on fire like the joker in Nolan's Dark Knight. Just burn up that possible cap flexibility, who needs it anyway? The pendulum reaction from last year trying to go all youth movement to this year going, seemingly, all veterans for the bottom 6, is also a strange way to allocate funds. Some are anticipating JB is gone and that shoe just hasn't fallen yet, which at least gets you a little cash back for another need, but it's hard to see that this group of bottom 6 has-beens can produce any more than the kids did last year. The bottom 6 was mostly a black hole last year, and it's difficult to see that mediocre veterans is going to change that. I'd love to be wrong and see a resurgence from one of these guys. I just don't see a reason to expect it. Maybe a week here or there with one of them "feeling it" is worth stripping the playing time from a kid who might put something together from playing that week? I'm sure there are opportunity cost metrics for this stuff somewhere, I'm just not sure Sweeney would use them when there's cap money he could be wasting! Tuukka did stand on his head in 2018. Again, not his fault “he didn’t deliver one”. This might be hard to understand but hockey is a team sport and the goalie cannot score goals. So when the first line no-shows a series 5 on 5 you should maybe turn your attention away from the goalie who is the only reason why you’re still in it And if completely stealing a cup is your only criteria on what makes a successful, good goalie then you must think a lot of goalies suck They wanted a legitimate starting goalie because they’re trying to win now and Swayman has 10 career games. Now they have one that can do a 55%-45% split, a 50-50 split the next year, and then if Swayman is ready you can move Linus pretty easily as he only has a limited NTC at that point That’s how you break in goalies. Not the way Philly did it
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 29, 2021 14:07:17 GMT -5
For ANYONE who wants to denigrate Rask because he didn't deliver a cup. The Bruins have won just one cup in 50 years. Fact is the B's truly won the cup in 2011 by a hair, they were down in plenty of games and series. If Thomas had given up just 1 goal at the wrong time they wouldn't have won and he would still have been considered standing on his head and having had one of the greatest seasons ever for a goalie!!!! This narrative on Rask is beyond ridiculous at this point, so tired of it.
This is why I would have given up this years #1 for the all in attempt at winning another Cup. One cup in 50 years!!! And once this core is beyond its peak we won't taste another solid chance for years. This coming year or 2 is it for a while and the signings have been decidedly aimed at veteran character guys to build depth top to bottom. The Isls 3rd and 4th lines exposed the B's so that is what they are trying to fix.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 29, 2021 16:30:43 GMT -5
Is there even cap room for krejci at this point?
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Post by tizzle on Jul 29, 2021 16:53:18 GMT -5
Is there even cap room for krejci at this point? No. But DeBrusk is sure to be moved and I wonder if they don't try to either John Moore to that deal or use draft picks to get someone to take part of his contract.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 29, 2021 17:35:53 GMT -5
Is there even cap room for krejci at this point? By burying contracts, they can get closer but it would require a trade to fit him assuming hed be somewhere higher than 4m.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 29, 2021 17:43:12 GMT -5
It would be rather interesting to pay Hall to anchor the 2nd line goal scoring, then not resigning the center that made him worth signing in the first place.
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Post by cdj on Jul 29, 2021 19:14:48 GMT -5
Krejci is old enough to have his deal structured with bonuses. Wouldn’t shock me if he wants to play a half season
I’m 99% confident we haven’t seen the last of him in Boston. I don’t foresee him signing elsewhere in the NHL
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Post by texs31 on Jul 30, 2021 12:06:29 GMT -5
Krejci not coming back. He just announced it
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 30, 2021 13:09:44 GMT -5
Krejci not coming back. He just announced it They spent all the money they could have given him…. Pretty bad off-season so far
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Post by cdj on Jul 30, 2021 13:40:24 GMT -5
Krejci not coming back. He just announced it They spent all the money they could have given him…. Pretty bad off-season so far That wasn’t the issue. He wants to go home. Shocked he’s not coming back. Hell of a career. Bruin for life. Hopefully they get somebody like Dvorak or something. Otherwise the plan might be Foligno/Coyle centering line 2 until the deadline (if Studnicka doesn’t break out…he’s apparently already put on some size which is what his #1 priority should be)
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Post by texs31 on Jul 30, 2021 14:30:34 GMT -5
Absolutely a path to signing him if he decided to stay.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 30, 2021 15:40:25 GMT -5
Krejci made Hall once again look like a 20-30 goal scorer. That's why you gave him $6 million over four years. I guess perfect world Coyle steps up to earn his paycheck. Ullmark is now the 12th highest paid goalie in the NHL and he's never started a playoff game.
If you resigned Krejci everything kinda made sense, without him I'm confused. Sweeney is talking about center by committee on the second line. We'll have our answer about how good our GM is after this year.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 30, 2021 16:32:51 GMT -5
Hope they have some stuff up their sleeve. At the moment, we're worse team than what ended the season.
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