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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 27, 2021 2:01:39 GMT -5
Eovaldi going 7 was huge because we didn't use Taylor, Whitlock, Darwinzon or Barnes and if there's a blowout, Andriese is well rested.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 27, 2021 2:11:58 GMT -5
I think it's worse for Franchy who didn't get another opportunity. Could be the kiss of death. Didn’t Danny start three in a row? Seriously?
We know that when they send a guy down who has had some MLB success, they are asking him to make specific sorts of progress on specific things (one or more). E.g., Houck and his splitter and FB command.
They'll recall him when he's done that work, and not before. The notion that they traded Benny for him, watched him put up excellent Statcast numbers (second best on the team) for a few weeks, then watched him put up a 1.000+ OPS in his last 4 games, then watched him destroy AAA pitching and then gave up on him he had four bad games ... that's laughable.
They play the long game. They have an opportunity for Franchy to learn what they think he still needs to learn (likeliest candidates: keeping his mechanics locked in, fixing his mechanics in a reasonable length of time when they get messed up, laying off a specific pitch or two outside the zone, and/or dealing with a specific way of being pitched to that AAA pitchers discovered last week) to be as good as he can be given his tools. Which is very good.
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Post by gerry on Jun 27, 2021 4:21:46 GMT -5
Asked a question about this in the minor league game day thread. Even with your answers he remains a mystery to me. I am hoping it finally clicks with him so we have the “problem” of deciding among Duran, Dugo, Renfroe and Franchy for the 2022 Sox OF. That would be something.
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Post by unitspin on Jun 27, 2021 5:30:15 GMT -5
Wong looked good behind the plate last night. I'm hoping they give him a couple games a week. Thank you, mookie.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 27, 2021 7:01:16 GMT -5
Ottavino and Sawamura are really gassed. That much is obvious. That should inform how they're used going forward. Sawamura is max effort and he really wore down, while Ottavino gutted it out but probably at the expense of future use for at least a few days. Can’t we callup Valdez? Between Tampa and this series our bullpen has logged some innings lately.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jun 27, 2021 8:26:18 GMT -5
I hate “defensive indifference.” If you can throw the guy out, do it. The second baseman isn't going over for the throw. Nobody to throw to. Focus is on the batter A pitchout would work
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jun 27, 2021 8:34:57 GMT -5
Ottavino and Sawamura are really gassed. That much is obvious. That should inform how they're used going forward. Sawamura is max effort and he really wore down, while Ottavino gutted it out but probably at the expense of future use for at least a few days. Can’t we callup Valdez? Between Tampa and this series our bullpen has logged some innings lately. I was thinking about this last night after the game. It might be worthwhile to send Sawamura down for 10 days. He looks like he's wiped out and shouldn't be in a game for three or four days. He could spend 10 days in scenic Worcester, making a couple of short appearances and recharging his batteries for the second half. Otherwise, we're playing with a short roster for the next few days, including today when there's a good chance of a short outing by E-Rod. There are no off days this week. We need at least one fresh arm not named Andrise.
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Post by unitspin on Jun 27, 2021 9:09:05 GMT -5
Can’t we callup Valdez? Between Tampa and this series our bullpen has logged some innings lately. I was thinking about this last night after the game. It might be worthwhile to send Sawamura down for 10 days. He looks like he's wiped out and shouldn't be in a game for three or four days. He could spend 10 days in scenic Worcester, making a couple of short appearances and recharging his batteries for the second half. Otherwise, we're playing with a short roster for the next few days, including today when there's a good chance of a short outing by E-Rod. There are no off days this week. We need at least one fresh arm not named Andrise. Ya the next two games is where it gets tough. You just spent ott and sawamura so they are done for at least the next two, three days. Whitlock threw two innings the other day and taylor warmed up three or four times last night that takes a toll on a rp. So your depending on 4 rp to get you through maybe 2 or 3 games.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 27, 2021 9:13:51 GMT -5
Wow - Cora with the white flag line-up. WTF:
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Post by cdj on Jun 27, 2021 9:16:31 GMT -5
I don’t think playing Santana over Dalbec constitutes a “white flag” lineup when you literally have all your best hitters in the lineup
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Post by manfred on Jun 27, 2021 9:16:50 GMT -5
Wow - Cora with the white flag line-up. WTF: Why is this the white flag? The big changes are at first and 2b, where he isn’t sitting the heart of murderer’s row or anything. I don’t think sitting Chavis and Dalbec against Cole does much more than give him strikeouts against Santana instead of against them.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 27, 2021 9:20:36 GMT -5
I donât think playing Santana over Dalbec constitutes a âwhite flagâ lineup when you literally have all your best hitters in the lineup Marwin + Santana + Kiké in the same line-up = White Flag. Basically batting two pitchers in Marwin and Santana.
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Post by manfred on Jun 27, 2021 9:22:59 GMT -5
I donât think playing Santana over Dalbec constitutes a âwhite flagâ lineup when you literally have all your best hitters in the lineup Marwin + Santana + Kiké in the same line-up = White Flag. Basically batting two pitchers in Marwin and Santana. How would Kiké *not* be in the lineup (especially in a way that doesn’t out Marwin and or Santana in)? Should he start JDM in left?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 27, 2021 9:32:38 GMT -5
Wow - Cora with the white flag line-up. WTF: Myself....being a sage veteran of reverse jinx orthodoxy...thanks you, in advance, for your noteworthy attempt to help the team sweep today. I hope your efforts are sincerely rewarded !!
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Post by cdj on Jun 27, 2021 9:37:47 GMT -5
I donât think playing Santana over Dalbec constitutes a âwhite flagâ lineup when you literally have all your best hitters in the lineup Marwin + Santana + Kiké in the same line-up = White Flag. Basically batting two pitchers in Marwin and Santana. I mean he could play Chavis, who also sucks But Marwin actually does things against the Yankees so I don’t mind it. It certainly isn’t a white flag lineup, that’s preposterous
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Post by jimoh on Jun 27, 2021 9:40:10 GMT -5
I donât think playing Santana over Dalbec constitutes a âwhite flagâ lineup when you literally have all your best hitters in the lineup Marwin + Santana + Kiké in the same line-up = White Flag. Basically batting two pitchers in Marwin and Santana. Who's missing? You think not wanting to watch Chavis flail at balls in the dirt = White Flag?
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 27, 2021 9:43:03 GMT -5
Boy, would it be fun if the Red Sox roughed up a not-so-sticky Cole to complete their second sweep of the Yankees.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 27, 2021 9:53:30 GMT -5
Based on the recent history between these 2 teams and expectations for this year it just seems fitting that the Sox will win this game with the bottom of the order playing a big part. Just the way it is between them, everything is to the extreme and the fanbases are always on a yoyo. It is there turn to have an over the top heart punch.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 27, 2021 9:57:27 GMT -5
Farrell will always be the King of the Sunday White Flag lineups.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 27, 2021 10:33:12 GMT -5
I donât think playing Santana over Dalbec constitutes a âwhite flagâ lineup when you literally have all your best hitters in the lineup Marwin + Santana + Kiké in the same line-up = White Flag. Basically batting two pitchers in Marwin and Santana. I still see the 2 to 6 hitters so I think you're overexagerating here. Chavis and Dalbec are kind of white flag themselves especially against RH velocity.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 27, 2021 10:40:34 GMT -5
Not sure where this goes, but I would get on the phone with Texas and start some talks about a Kyle Gibson trade. Somebody is going to want that guy for the second half. He isn't in there long term goals, is signed thru next year and is absolutely dealing this year.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 27, 2021 10:45:32 GMT -5
Marwin + Santana + Kiké in the same line-up = White Flag. Basically batting two pitchers in Marwin and Santana. How would Kiké *not* be in the lineup (especially in a way that doesn’t out Marwin and or Santana in)? Should he start JDM in left? That's part of the problem, in my opinion. Kiké is kind of a super utility player but he's no Ben Zobrist, and he shouldn't be a starter he should be a fill-in three times a week guy and maybe a late-inning defensive replacement. But he's no solution. They need a legit CF (or LF and move Verdugo back to CF). I had a significant problem with the way Bloom built this team in the off-season. A lot of people loved the versatility, but this is not the NL Central. On a AL team they should carry one utility guy, a 4th OF and a back-up catcher and have legit players at all the other positions. To carry three utility players, two of whom live below the Mendoza line, is ill-advised and becomes outright stupid when the manager feels compelled to use them more than one at a time once or twice a week. If Bloom was planning on being a 4th place team and building for the future this works. But to his credit he either inadvertently (a lá Cherington) built a contender or a combination of luck and three guys having career years have pushed this team into contention. Whatever the case the game is about adjusting or falling behind. Bloom needs to make a few adjustments unless he and Henry plan to just show face in the playoff race. There's a sharp cliff after Houston, Tampa and Toronto offensively. Then there's Chicago, the Red Sox and Oakland. I know it's more than offense, but the Sox defense and baserunning certainly hasn't been stellar either. If this is about winning - and in baseball those chances at the playoffs are finite and fleeting - then Bloom has to adjust. First adjustment should be bring up Duran or Franchy and play them virtually every day for 2-3 weeks to see if either can cut it. If not, go get a lead-off hitter who's either an OF, or someone like Ketel Marte who's a legit hitter AND can play more than one position AND has significant service time remaining. A left-handed first-baseman would also be appreciated unless Dalbec can continue being short to the ball. Also, trade off (or in the case of Santana release) the chaff. Keep one of Kiké or Marwin and use AAA for back-up if someone goes down. Or be happy to be also-rans and delude yourselves that this will be a repeat division-winning team somewhere down the road.
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Post by patford on Jun 27, 2021 10:49:06 GMT -5
Prediction for today's game. Cole gets shelled. Doesn't make it out of the 3rd and breaks his hand punching the dugout wall. Rodziguez with the complete game no hitter.
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Post by manfred on Jun 27, 2021 10:52:38 GMT -5
How would Kiké *not* be in the lineup (especially in a way that doesn’t out Marwin and or Santana in)? Should he start JDM in left? That's part of the problem, in my opinion. Kiké is kind of a super utility player but he's no Ben Zobrist, and he shouldn't be a starter he should be a fill-in three times a week guy and maybe a late-inning defensive replacement. But he's no solution. They need a legit CF (or LF and move Verdugo back to CF). I had a significant problem with the way Bloom built this team in the off-season. A lot of people loved the versatility, but this is not the NL Central. On a AL team they should carry one utility guy, a 4th OF and a back-up catcher and have legit players at all the other positions. To carry three utility players, two of whom live below the Mendoza line, is ill-advised and becomes outright stupid when the manager feels compelled to use them more than one at a time once or twice a week. If Bloom was planning on being a 4th place team and building for the future this works. But to his credit he either inadvertently (a lá Cherington) built a contender or a combination of luck and three guys having career years have pushed this team into contention. Whatever the case the game is about adjusting or falling behind. Bloom needs to make a few adjustments unless he and Henry plan to just show face in the playoff race. There's a sharp cliff after Houston, Tampa and Toronto offensively. Then there's Chicago, the Red Sox and Oakland. I know it's more than offense, but the Sox defense and baserunning certainly hasn't been stellar either. If this is about winning - and in baseball those chances at the playoffs are finite and fleeting - then Bloom has to adjust. First adjustment should be bring up Duran or Franchy and play them virtually every day for 2-3 weeks to see if either can cut it. If not, go get a lead-off hitter who's either an OF, or someone like Ketel Marte who's a legit hitter AND can play more than one position AND has significant service time remaining. A left-handed first-baseman would also be appreciated unless Dalbec can continue being short to the ball. Also, trade off (or in the case of Santana release) the chaff. Keep one of Kiké or Marwin and use AAA for back-up if someone goes down. Or be happy to be also-rans and delude yourselves that this will be a repeat division-winning team somewhere down the road. I agree, and I didn’t like the majority of the off-season either. But that doesn’t mean *Cora* is waving the white flag…. he’s doing what he can with what he has. Whether Kiké *ought* to be the starting CF is not the same as saying Cora has better options today. Cora can’t call up Duran.
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Post by unitspin on Jun 27, 2021 10:54:38 GMT -5
Prediction for today's game. Cole gets shelled. Doesn't make it out of the 3rd and breaks his hand punching the dugout wall. Rodziguez with the complete game no hitter. Can I get odds on this? If erod makes it past the 6th I think everyone on this board would be pumped.
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