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Red Sox Acquire Kyle Schwarber for Aldo Ramirez
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 30, 2021 6:53:11 GMT -5
We saw Dalbec at 3B and SS, Vasquez at 3B and Plawecki pitch last night. Schwarber at 1B doesn’t seem too far fetched.
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Post by fanofredsox on Jul 30, 2021 6:57:21 GMT -5
Has anyone from the Red Sox organization (Bloom, Cora etc.) actually said Schwarber will be playing 1B? Speier has reported that per multiple major league sources, they will try Schwarber at 1B (but also at DH and in the OF). So….no
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Jul 30, 2021 7:04:41 GMT -5
Just waking up: I think there is another shoe to drop, with a player, perhaps a good and charming player, being traded for a real 1b, one who we did not think was available. If the Red Sox hurry, I think they can get Luke Voit - an actual first baseman.
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Post by e on Jul 30, 2021 7:08:30 GMT -5
I decided to sleep on this trade in hopes I feel better in the morning, and to be honest I feel a bit better. I don't like the trade that much still. I feel if we were going to dangle aldo as trade bait we could have gone after a guy with more control. Along with that Schwarber is going to be used at multiple positions, but he has never been played that way really. A little concerning but I trust the Red Sox are confident in their ability to get him, Kiké, Renfroe, and Verdugo in the lineup. What gets me excited about this trade is that the Red Sox have made it clear they are okay with going past the cap now. It open up a lot more options, like the Hosmer + a prospect move everyone is talking about. Should be an interesting day.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 30, 2021 7:08:48 GMT -5
Speier has reported that per multiple major league sources, they will try Schwarber at 1B (but also at DH and in the OF). So….no Speier is probably the best sourced guy on the beat in terms of the organization, so this is as good as we're going to get until they actually talk to the guy.
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 30, 2021 7:09:35 GMT -5
Giving up a top 10 prospect for a rental never makes me feel good but I don’t hate this trade. I’m a big Aldo fan and love his control. Having a good hit tool is the most important thing for a hitter and control is the most important tool for a pitcher to me. That being said, Aldo has 31 innings of full season ball under his belt. He’s at best around three years away from the majors. A lot can happen in that time. I think he has a decent chance at making the majors and remaining a starter, but statistically it’s probably still more likely that he doesn’t. Trade a lottery ticket for a guy that will improve your lineup when you really need the spark.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 30, 2021 7:12:23 GMT -5
That fits into one of my biggest concerns about this trade, the possibility that the Sox surrendered 6 years of control over a promising young pitcher with legit upside for a guy who might not play more than six weeks for the Red Sox and is being shoehorned into the lineup playing a position he has never played before. It's crazy when you think about it. A single A lottery ticket for an all-star yet in the worst case scenario the trade could backfire. Hopefully Schwarber plays a passable 1b, comes back healthy and mashes deep into October. It's so funny. When the day started I anticipated the Red Sox getting a left handed hitting 1b from the 2016 World Champion Cubs - and they did, just not the guy I was anticipating. The price you have to pay when your team is in first place is trading prospects at the deadline to keep up with everyone else. We gave up a guy who should be around 15-17. 8 on our board is insane. Who does our rankings? We got Blaze outside the top 10…. Jay should be 7 or 8. Bello and Seabold are also about 10 spots too high. Anyways we got a guy who’s smashing and made the All Star team for a Low A pitching prospect straight up. That’s a W. I’m sure we will entertain resigning him too. He will crush in fenway and gives us a ton of options with our lineup. I really didn’t want to have to see Rizzos ugly swing every game either 😂 Needed a good chuckle this morning. Thanks! Lol.
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Post by joshv02 on Jul 30, 2021 7:19:16 GMT -5
Another old timer making a reappearance! I missed this place ❤️ Weirdly, I now work with Mike A’s excolleague. Small world.
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Post by foreverred9 on Jul 30, 2021 7:21:05 GMT -5
I decided to sleep on this trade in hopes I feel better in the morning, and to be honest I feel a bit better. I don't like the trade that much still. I feel if we were going to dangle aldo as trade bait we could have gone after a guy with more control. Along with that Schwarber is going to be used at multiple positions, but he has never been played that way really. A little concerning but I trust the Red Sox are confident in their ability to get him, Kiké, Renfroe, and Verdugo in the lineup. What gets me excited about this trade is that the Red Sox have made it clear they are okay with going past the cap now. It open up a lot more options, like the Hosmer + a prospect move everyone is talking about. Should be an interesting day. Aldo being on the DL for the past 6 weeks with elbow problems is not the same value as what we think of when we see the #8 prospect in the system. I'm not sure he could have been dangled for something big, although you could imagine that he was a part of the Scherzer offer and when that fell through they knew Washington really liked him. Taking a step back and removing the names, they got an All-Star for a low A prospect on the DL. That's pretty good value.
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Post by e on Jul 30, 2021 7:27:51 GMT -5
I decided to sleep on this trade in hopes I feel better in the morning, and to be honest I feel a bit better. I don't like the trade that much still. I feel if we were going to dangle aldo as trade bait we could have gone after a guy with more control. Along with that Schwarber is going to be used at multiple positions, but he has never been played that way really. A little concerning but I trust the Red Sox are confident in their ability to get him, Kiké, Renfroe, and Verdugo in the lineup. What gets me excited about this trade is that the Red Sox have made it clear they are okay with going past the cap now. It open up a lot more options, like the Hosmer + a prospect move everyone is talking about. Should be an interesting day. Aldo being on the DL for the past 6 weeks with elbow problems is not the same value as what we think of when we see the #8 prospect in the system. I'm not sure he could have been dangled for something big, although you could imagine that he was a part of the Scherzer offer and when that fell through they knew Washington really liked him. Taking a step back and removing the names, they got an All-Star for a low A prospect on the DL. That's pretty good value. No disagreement with Aldo's value taking a hit since he was on the il, but if I was told he wast dealt, I would have been expecting him to be a part of a larger package for someone with 2-3 years of control. Was never saying a star or something, he doesn't have that value, but didn't expect this type of move for him. And yes it can be considered good value.
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Post by edwardcc on Jul 30, 2021 7:29:59 GMT -5
Schwarber has the 2nd best OPS (behind Devers and just ahead of Martinez) and his 25 home runs is 2nd as well. Honestly, the only question of whether Schwarber is a huge pickup is his health. If he gets healthy, his bat is going to be big.
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 30, 2021 7:37:00 GMT -5
The Sox are now solid at IL
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 30, 2021 7:40:42 GMT -5
Say what you want about Merloni, but this is a good take:
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Post by radiohix on Jul 30, 2021 7:48:45 GMT -5
Just waking up: I think there is another shoe to drop, with a player, perhaps a good and charming player, being traded for a real 1b, one who we did not think was available. If the Red Sox hurry, I think they can get Luke Voit - an actual first baseman. I'm very confident that if an injured Schwarber picks a 1st baseman glove and starts today at the Trop, he'll play better defense than Voit. Voit is really really bad with the glove.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 30, 2021 7:54:46 GMT -5
I like Aldo as much as everyone else, but I think people are overstating the value. This is the cost of a rented slugger at the deadline. In fact, I think it’s probably even a little light. It’s a ton less than the Yankees gave up for Rizzo who is having a worse season or than the Rays gave up for Nelson Cruz who is having a really comparable season.
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 30, 2021 7:57:29 GMT -5
I guess the comparison to the Rizzo and Gallo trades are whether it is better to trade a second tier prospect vs. three or so third tier prospects.
Especially if its a young pitcher, TNSTAAPP. So one Aldo vs. two of Nathaniel Cruz & Juan Encarnacion or Luis de la Rosa. In that view, I'd keep volume, even if each is lower ranked. We've seen the Aldo profile in Ranuades or Mata, pop, and then elbow "pop",
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 30, 2021 8:00:38 GMT -5
Schwarber has been in the ML for 7 years. He has been an OFer the entire time and never considered a very good defensive one. I am sure first base was considered and yet he has never played a game there.
I think Lou might have it right. Makes more sense that he is a platoon partner for Renfroe. Renfroe has been good but nobody envisioned him as an everyday player at the start of the season.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 30, 2021 8:01:30 GMT -5
I guess the comparison to the Rizzo and Gallo trades are whether it is better to trade a second tier prospect vs. three or so third tier prospects. Especially if its a young pitcher, TNSTAAPP. So one Aldo vs. two of Nathaniel Cruz & Juan Encarnacion or Luis de la Rosa. In that view, I'd keep volume, even if each is lower ranked. We've seen the Aldo profile in Ranuades or Mata, pop, and then elbow "pop", Both of the prospects the Yankees gave up for Rizzo are generally more highly regarded than Aldo.
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Post by jbsox on Jul 30, 2021 8:10:47 GMT -5
I like Aldo as much as everyone else, but I think people are overstating the value. This is the cost of a rented slugger at the deadline. In fact, I think it’s probably even a little light. It’s a ton less than the Yankees gave up for Rizzo who is having a worse season or than the Rays gave up for Nelson Cruz who is having a really comparable season. I imagine the Yankees had to throw in more in their trades because the other teams were picking up the tabs paying most of Gallo’s and Rizzo’s contract. It sounds like the Sox had a little wiggle room under the tax and are taking on all of Schwerber’s remaining salary, though I’m not 100% sure on this.
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 30, 2021 8:12:53 GMT -5
I like Aldo as much as everyone else, but I think people are overstating the value. This is the cost of a rented slugger at the deadline. In fact, I think it’s probably even a little light. It’s a ton less than the Yankees gave up for Rizzo who is having a worse season or than the Rays gave up for Nelson Cruz who is having a really comparable season. I imagine the Yankees had to throw in more in their trades because the other teams were picking up the tabs paying most of Gallo’s and Rizzo’s contract. It sounds like the Sox had a little wiggle room under the tax and are taking on all of Schwerber’s remaining salary, though I’m not 100% sure on this. I think most people other than Spier have the Sox ~$5M over the tax. Not sure who to trust
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Post by jmei on Jul 30, 2021 8:13:47 GMT -5
RE: Aldo, he's a good prospect, but among low minors pitchers of his caliber of prospect, he's one of the lower-ceiling ones. Probably a bias on my part, but I hesitate more with giving up the "great stuff but needs to improve his command" kind of pitching prospect as opposed to the "polished guy with multiple pitches" kind of pitching prospect.
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Post by jmei on Jul 30, 2021 8:15:40 GMT -5
I imagine the Yankees had to throw in more in their trades because the other teams were picking up the tabs paying most of Gallo’s and Rizzo’s contract. It sounds like the Sox had a little wiggle room under the tax and are taking on all of Schwerber’s remaining salary, though I’m not 100% sure on this. I think most people other than Spier have the Sox ~$5M over the tax. Not sure who to trust Could just be semantics. The Red Sox gave out a lot of contracts with performance-based bonuses last year. They could technically be under the cap today (even with the Schwarber acquisition) but will almost certainly be over it by the end of the season once those bonuses are accounted for.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2021 8:24:40 GMT -5
If Merloni is right (and I probably respect his opinion more than most on this site), then the Sox have yet to get their 1b, and of course they need starting pitching and bullpen help and we're less than 7 hours away from the deadline.
This should be extremely interesting.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 30, 2021 8:29:06 GMT -5
Schwarber really needs to play first base. We can’t have Bobby starting playoff games vs. righties
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Post by kman22 on Jul 30, 2021 8:33:18 GMT -5
If Merloni is right (and I probably respect his opinion more than most on this site), then the Sox have yet to get their 1b, and of course they need starting pitching and bullpen help and we're less than 7 hours away from the deadline. This should be extremely interesting. While I agree they're not done yet, this seems like a convenient stance to take when you are trying to keep people tuned in all day.
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