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Red Sox Acquire Kyle Schwarber for Aldo Ramirez
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2021 8:39:12 GMT -5
If Merloni is right (and I probably respect his opinion more than most on this site), then the Sox have yet to get their 1b, and of course they need starting pitching and bullpen help and we're less than 7 hours away from the deadline. This should be extremely interesting. While I agree they're not done yet, this seems like a convenient stance to take when you are trying to keep people tuned in all day. I don't think he was giving a convenient rating stance, but if he were, what he's saying makes sense. I really have trouble believing a GM who values team defense would acquire a guy who has never played 1b (beyond that one batter in a game) and is injured and tell him, put on a 1b glove, any idiot can do it, figure it out during a week long rehab, and be good with that. I think Merloni has to be right, here. They must have another guy in mind for 1b. And as far as needing to have people tuned in all day, I'm tuned in no matter who says what. We can all see the obvious things the Sox need. I wouldn't have put Schwarber as an extra OF/DH/1b perhaps in that category, but Bloom did talk about doubling down on strengths - I just assumed he was talking about the pen. He was apparently also talking about the outfield depth as well. The need for a LH bat, however, was obvious.
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Post by mobaz on Jul 30, 2021 8:45:03 GMT -5
It's hard to understand what problem this trade solved.
He's not ready to play right now when the offense could use a boost, it exacerbates the logjam in the OF, it doesn't solve the 1b problem, and the trade didn't clear any of our 40-man log jam.
On its face the trade is fair and reasonable and will help in October if we get there, but it's still really weird. Especially with potentially 10 more days on the DL.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 30, 2021 8:51:58 GMT -5
If Merloni is right (and I probably respect his opinion more than most on this site), then the Sox have yet to get their 1b, and of course they need starting pitching and bullpen help and we're less than 7 hours away from the deadline. This should be extremely interesting. While I agree they're not done yet, this seems like a convenient stance to take when you are trying to keep people tuned in all day. Have you seen EEI ratings? There’s nothing he can do to save those…
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Post by Guidas on Jul 30, 2021 8:52:33 GMT -5
(null) Looks like he’s played 1 inning at first He's ready.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 30, 2021 8:54:59 GMT -5
They could play Schwarber full time in LF, Arroyo full time in 2B and go: vs. RHP: Duran CF, Verdugo RF, Kiké 1B vs. LHP: Kiké CF, Renfroe RF, Dalbec 1B He will have to learn 1st base Kiké 2nd Devers 3rd Bogaerts SS JD Martinez DH Schwarber 1st Renfroe RF Verdugo LF Vazquez C Duran CF That lineup is so sexy! Of course you can move Kiké around to give Arroyo some ABs. Dalbec can spell Devers and Schwarber. Kyle can DH and JD can play LF. We can do so many things but that should be our most used lineup. Looks like he's on the DL until mid-August. I do hope there's another move coming...
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 30, 2021 8:57:17 GMT -5
There's a lot of reasons why people could like or not like this trade, but not liking it because he's only a rental shouldn't be one of them.
It's the trading deadline, and we are in a playoff run, this is what most of the trades are going to look like.
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Post by jmei on Jul 30, 2021 9:11:17 GMT -5
I think there is somewhat of an underappreciation for how good of a hitter Schwarber is. ZiPS projects him to hit .241/.343/.525 (.366 wOBA) for the rest of the season, which is among the top 30 in MLB and effectively on par with Devers (.371 wOBA), Bogaerts (.370 wOBA) and Martinez (.361 wOBA). He's not a Cody Ross or Steve Pearce platoon/depth piece. He's a legitimate All-Star caliber hitter who you make space for on the roster.
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Post by cdj on Jul 30, 2021 9:13:27 GMT -5
Proven playoff track record too
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 30, 2021 9:17:42 GMT -5
I am not seeing anyone questioning that Schwarber is a good hitter. The questions are where is he going to play? When is he going to be available?? How does it address the teams needs???
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Post by jmei on Jul 30, 2021 9:22:59 GMT -5
I am not seeing anyone questioning that Schwarber is a good hitter. The questions are where is he going to play? When is he going to be available?? How does it address the teams needs??? He will play 1B, DH and OF. He is expected to be available in around 10 days. He improves the team by adding an elite bat to a roster that is still top-heavy on offense but has some flexibility on defense. He is not a perfect fit on the roster but that's offset by what seems like a relatively modest prospect price.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 30, 2021 9:26:49 GMT -5
He has 1 game with 0 innings played. Defensive replacement in the bottom of the 9th or extras, and a no-outs walkoff?
Not quite ... April 7, 2017, Cubs at Brewers, who have the bases loaded with 1 out in the bottom of the 11th. Maddon decides to move Rizzo to LF and Schwarber to 1B! And Mike Montgomery throws an 0-2 walk-off wild pitch.
Where do you find this info? If I asked you if Schwarber's second cousin's dog had puppies recently you could probably find it haha. Baseball-reference.com.
I looked first at his fielding log and found the year he played 1B. Then at his game log for that year and found the game he played 1B (4th game of the season!). Then the box score of the game.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 30, 2021 9:27:03 GMT -5
You know who's liking that trade? Sam Travis 😁 The two former college teammates can say now that they played for the same MLB franchise.
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 30, 2021 9:34:11 GMT -5
I am not in agreement with most of the opinions on here about this trade. Schwarber is a beast, he is a former catcher who has played some 1B in the past which means he has practiced at the position, I have little doubt he can at least be average at the position. Offensively he might have represented the largest impact bat available at the deadline, he hits for power, he gets on base, he carried the Nats for nearly a month earlier this season. I don't love giving up Aldo Ramirez and I wish Schwarber were 100% healthy, but he is a HUGE upgrade over the production the Sox were getting at 1B and will make this lineup truly dangerous.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 30, 2021 9:34:58 GMT -5
There's a lot of reasons why people could like or not like this trade, but not liking it because he's only a rental shouldn't be one of them. It's the trading deadline, and we are in a playoff run, this is what most of the trades are going to look like. Not 100% sure he's going to be a rental here. The opt out isn't 100% certain. That hamstring injury might give him incentive to opt in and get a bigger pay day in the lineup next year.
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Post by jbsox on Jul 30, 2021 9:35:28 GMT -5
Thinking out loud lol do people think Schwarber is someone that could be worth at least the qualifying offer in the offseason if he opts out and chooses free agency? If we offered the qualifying offer and he left signing with someone else, it’s almost a wash prospect wise as we would get a future pick. Maybe it could also help us negotiate a new contract with him if other teams shy away because of the qualifying offer. If he actually accepted the qualifying offer with us for 1 year I wouldn’t mind that as well.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 30, 2021 9:36:34 GMT -5
I am not seeing anyone questioning that Schwarber is a good hitter. The questions are where is he going to play? When is he going to be available?? How does it address the teams needs??? He will play 1B, DH and OF. He is expected to be available in around 10 days. He improves the team by adding an elite bat to a roster that is still top-heavy on offense but has some flexibility on defense. He is not a perfect fit on the roster but that's offset by what seems like a relatively modest prospect price. I just concluded in the batting order / lineup thread that he plays 1B versus RHP and LF vs. LHP, where he's a big offensive upgrade over Verdugo.
That run-through also has Dalbec as the platoon 1B, but I could see them picking up a Pearce type, an established lefty-masher, and optioning Bobby D to play every day.
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Post by vokuhila on Jul 30, 2021 9:36:59 GMT -5
I think there is somewhat of an underappreciation for how good of a hitter Schwarber is. ZiPS projects him to hit .241/.343/.525 (.366 wOBA) for the rest of the season, which is among the top 30 in MLB and effectively on par with Devers (.371 wOBA), Bogaerts (.370 wOBA) and Martinez (.361 wOBA). He's not a Cody Ross or Steve Pearce platoon/depth piece. He's a legitimate All-Star caliber hitter who you make space for on the roster. You are correct! Nelson Cruz xwOBA xSLG .377 .526 Traded for Joe Ryan (FV 45) and Drew Strotman (FV 45); salary paid by Twins
Kyle Schwarber xwOBA xSLG .394 .571 Traded for Aldo Ramirez (FV 40+).
I know the FV scale oversimplifying things and those are pre-season estimations...but the deal itself is good.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 30, 2021 9:40:18 GMT -5
There's a lot of reasons why people could like or not like this trade, but not liking it because he's only a rental shouldn't be one of them. It's the trading deadline, and we are in a playoff run, this is what most of the trades are going to look like. Not 100% sure he's going to be a rental here. The opt out isn't 100% certain. That hamstring injury might give him incentive to opt in and get a bigger pay day in the lineup next year. Even better, he opts out and signs a 1-year extension for somewhat more than the option, with the same thought that a huge, healthy year in 2022 lands him an even bigger deal. And it's another year with a shot at a ring.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 30, 2021 9:40:58 GMT -5
Thinking out loud lol do people think Schwarber is someone that could be worth at least the qualifying offer in the offseason if he opts out and chooses free agency? If we offered the qualifying offer and he left signing with someone else, it’s almost a wash prospect wise as we would get a future pick. Maybe it could also help us negotiate a new contract with him if other teams shy away because of the qualifying offer. If he actually accepted the qualifying offer with us for 1 year I wouldn’t mind that as well. No QO's for traded players.
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Post by alnipper on Jul 30, 2021 9:46:15 GMT -5
Rather of traded Groome. Interesting trade.
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Post by jbsox on Jul 30, 2021 9:47:05 GMT -5
Thinking out loud lol do people think Schwarber is someone that could be worth at least the qualifying offer in the offseason if he opts out and chooses free agency? If we offered the qualifying offer and he left signing with someone else, it’s almost a wash prospect wise as we would get a future pick. Maybe it could also help us negotiate a new contract with him if other teams shy away because of the qualifying offer. If he actually accepted the qualifying offer with us for 1 year I wouldn’t mind that as well. No QO's for traded players. Oh well, thanks.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2021 9:50:13 GMT -5
I am not in agreement with most of the opinions on here about this trade. Schwarber is a beast, he is a former catcher who has played some 1B in the past which means he has practiced at the position, I have little doubt he can at least be average at the position. Offensively he might have represented the largest impact bat available at the deadline, he hits for power, he gets on base, he carried the Nats for nearly a month earlier this season. I don't love giving up Aldo Ramirez and I wish Schwarber were 100% healthy, but he is a HUGE upgrade over the production the Sox were getting at 1B and will make this lineup truly dangerous. Where? He has played 1b for the span of one batter in the major leagues. Can't even say he made it through a third of an inning. He has no minor league track record of it, I don't think. He has been a catcher or a LF. That's it.
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Post by Canseco on Jul 30, 2021 9:52:46 GMT -5
At worst, he can serve as a L/R platoon at DH and LF to allow for Cora to spread some rest around. Let’s hope he can pick up 1B and be serviceable over there.
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Post by cdj on Jul 30, 2021 9:52:52 GMT -5
Rather of traded Groome. Interesting trade. I’m sure they would’ve too. I bet part of the appeal of Aldo is that he doesn’t need to be on the 40 man yet
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 30, 2021 9:56:02 GMT -5
I am not in agreement with most of the opinions on here about this trade. Schwarber is a beast, he is a former catcher who has played some 1B in the past which means he has practiced at the position, I have little doubt he can at least be average at the position. Offensively he might have represented the largest impact bat available at the deadline, he hits for power, he gets on base, he carried the Nats for nearly a month earlier this season. I don't love giving up Aldo Ramirez and I wish Schwarber were 100% healthy, but he is a HUGE upgrade over the production the Sox were getting at 1B and will make this lineup truly dangerous. Where? He has played 1b for the span of one batter in the major leagues. Can't even say he made it through a third of an inning. He has no minor league track record of it, I don't think. He has been a catcher or a LF. That's it. Was just going to mention this but you beat me to it. Furthermore, isn't it curious that a sub-par OFer who is a beast with the bat has never played even an out at first base? Wouldn't a National league team be looking for ways to get his big bat in the lineup? Similar case with JD Martinez. Playing him at 1B would have been obvious option but yet he hasn't. I am sure he has tried but ....
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