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8/3-8/5 Red Sox @ Tigers Thread
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Post by greatscottcooper on Aug 4, 2021 7:11:42 GMT -5
If anything playing 1B would reduce the risk of Schwarber re-injuring his hamstring.....Yeah I know, Arroyo, I consider that a fluke.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 4, 2021 7:17:31 GMT -5
If anything playing 1B would reduce the risk of Schwarber re-injuring his hamstring.....Yeah I know, Arroyo, I consider that a fluke. Normally I'd agree. But he's never played the position in the pros. You're asking him to learn something new while rehabbing instead of just putting him in the outfield. Worst case you could just play him out there and send Duran down. Arroyo is very injury prone. Lets face it that could have happened if he got out of bed the wrong way.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Aug 4, 2021 7:21:54 GMT -5
If anything playing 1B would reduce the risk of Schwarber re-injuring his hamstring.....Yeah I know, Arroyo, I consider that a fluke. Normally I'd agree. But he's never played the position in the pros. You're asking him to learn something new while rehabbing instead of just putting him in the outfield. Worst case you could just play him out there and send Duran down. Arroyo is very injury prone. Lets face it that could have happened if he got out of bed the wrong way. Yeah but it's first base. We've seen people not take to it, but we've seen people transition to first base almost effortlessly often in baseball. Considering his desire to help and the fact that we have the worse 1B production in the majors offensively and defensively it's a no brainer to at least try it out. I have a very hard time believing he's going to be worse at 1B than Dalbec has been, and if he's worse defensively I imagine it's a marginal difference while taking a massive upgrade offensively. I get why people are scared of him getting hurt learning a new postion but let me reiterate that the injury risk is less there. 1B is less physically demanding than the OF. It actually makes sense given Schwarbers injury history, he might get more playing time over his career there.
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Post by patford on Aug 4, 2021 7:34:25 GMT -5
The Sox look like they are spent. All season long almost every game has been a nail biter and they just look mentally exhausted from pulling near miracles out of the hat. It's been an interesting situation where not one player on the team could be said to have been over performing expectations. And many on the team have been worse than would have been reasonably expected and yet somehow they kept winning. The most obvious problem is the rotation. Scherzer is a free agent this off-season. He's said he would play in Boston. The Sox can go all in to try and sign him without giving up their best prospects for a shot in the dark chance this year. At this point the best thing the team can do is play Duran, Cordero and Dalbec almost every day to see if any of them can get it together. All three are on the older side for prospects. They should also be extremely cautious with Sale as there is no point in pushing him.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 4, 2021 7:42:26 GMT -5
The Sox look like they are spent. All season long almost every game has been a nail biter and they just look mentally exhausted from pulling near miracles out of the hat. It's been an interesting situation where not one player on the team could be said to have been over performing expectations. And many on the team have been worse than would have been reasonably expected and yet somehow they kept winning. The most obvious problem is the rotation. Scherzer is a free agent this off-season. He's said he would play in Boston. The Sox can go all in to try and sign him without giving up their best prospects for a shot in the dark chance this year. At this point the best thing the team can do is play Duran, Cordero and Dalbec almost every day to see if any of them can get it together. All three are on the older side for prospects. They should also be extremely cautious with Sale as there is no point in pushing him. That 40 man is going to look awfully tight in the offseason. They're going to need to make some big decisions there. I don't have a problem keeping Hernandez on there since finding a catcher with pop is pretty difficult. Wong might be a decent guy to keep. Potts and Rosario are probably on their way out. Should clear off a couple of the arms too. The point being is that Dalbec and Cordero should also be on that 40 man cusp. Long term they aren't going to be answers for this team IMO.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 4, 2021 7:51:11 GMT -5
Have to give some credit to Detroit for hiring Hinch. I think he is a good manager. Yeah, the Astros stuff is a part of it, but his teams play well for him. Even before the scandal he started with a young Astros team and they improved pretty quickly.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 4, 2021 7:54:08 GMT -5
5 game losing streaks are hard to take, but they will win tonight. I am on the record, OK ??!?!?!?!?!?!? Very good that they are still only 1 game back despite the skid. Every team (except the 2018 club) goes through this stuff. Just gotta keep battling and the posters need to stop whinin' and nut up.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 4, 2021 8:02:31 GMT -5
Schwarber has been able to take batting practice and work out at 1st base as has been reported, so IMO he should be ok pretty quickly. Cora should just tell him not to try and stretch a single into a double unless he can walk into second or he risks reaggravating that hammy, they can be very touchy for a while. And limit rounding 1st too hard. I hope things go well there and he signs on LT.
The hole on this team that will cost the Sox the season without some form of miracle is the rotation. Sale and Houck might be enough but I doubt it. Maybe if the pen can continue to bail them out they could hang tough but that is going to take some reinforcements from AAA as they are on the verge of overuse.
I advocated for months buying starters at the deadline but obviously that didn't happen. A big question and possible fix is if Perez or Richards can be more effective in limited inning situations, are they capable of dialing it up a bit if they know they only have to go thru the lineup once. I doubt it but they have had some moments, like last night Richards looked good the 1st time thru. We can only hope but the Sox need a few guys to step up if they are going to compete in the last 50 games.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Aug 4, 2021 8:02:41 GMT -5
If anything playing 1B would reduce the risk of Schwarber re-injuring his hamstring.....Yeah I know, Arroyo, I consider that a fluke. Sure. Like Arroyo. Fluke, like I said.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 4, 2021 8:28:06 GMT -5
The Sox look like they are spent. All season long almost every game has been a nail biter and they just look mentally exhausted from pulling near miracles out of the hat. It's been an interesting situation where not one player on the team could be said to have been over performing expectations. And many on the team have been worse than would have been reasonably expected and yet somehow they kept winning. The most obvious problem is the rotation. Scherzer is a free agent this off-season. He's said he would play in Boston. The Sox can go all in to try and sign him without giving up their best prospects for a shot in the dark chance this year. At this point the best thing the team can do is play Duran, Cordero and Dalbec almost every day to see if any of them can get it together. All three are on the older side for prospects. They should also be extremely cautious with Sale as there is no point in pushing him. Why wouldn't Scherzer simply stay in LA? They have the money to pay him as I assume they will be out from what they owe Trevor Bauer. That money is earmarked for pitching and Scherzer agreed to go to LA, probably because he knows they can extend him and he wants them to extend them. No reason for them not to. I wouldn't count on the Sox bringing him in. I also wonder how excited Bloom would be to pay $100 million for a guy hitting 40 at the end of the contract. I just don't see Scherzer to Boston happening.
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Post by patford on Aug 4, 2021 8:39:34 GMT -5
The Sox look like they are spent. All season long almost every game has been a nail biter and they just look mentally exhausted from pulling near miracles out of the hat. It's been an interesting situation where not one player on the team could be said to have been over performing expectations. And many on the team have been worse than would have been reasonably expected and yet somehow they kept winning. The most obvious problem is the rotation. Scherzer is a free agent this off-season. He's said he would play in Boston. The Sox can go all in to try and sign him without giving up their best prospects for a shot in the dark chance this year. At this point the best thing the team can do is play Duran, Cordero and Dalbec almost every day to see if any of them can get it together. All three are on the older side for prospects. They should also be extremely cautious with Sale as there is no point in pushing him. Why wouldn't Scherzer simply stay in LA? They have the money to pay him as I assume they will be out from what they owe Trevor Bauer. That money is earmarked for pitching and Scherzer agreed to go to LA, probably because he knows they can extend him and he wants them to extend them. No reason for them not to. I wouldn't count on the Sox bringing him in. I also wonder how excited Bloom would be to pay $100 million for a guy hitting 40 at the end of the contract. I just don't see Scherzer to Boston happening. I don't disagree. All I'm saying is I'm opposed to trading young high up side prospects for rentals. It's true 75% of high up side prospects don't pan out but that is why a team needs a lot of them. Young cost controlled talent allows the team to spend money on veteran free agents. Rather than Ramirez, I'd have traded Duran in a heart beat based on his age and his concerning play (unimpressive BA, high K rate, meh defense) at Worcester this year. I would agree with anyone who feels a combination of a 100% healthy Scherzer and Sale could have carried the Sox to a WS win. Two dominant SP can take just about any team a long way in the post season. The thing there is Scherzer is coming off a triceps scare and we don't know what Sale will be.
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Post by greenmonster on Aug 4, 2021 8:59:48 GMT -5
5 game losing streaks are hard to take, but they will win tonight. I am on the record, OK ??!?!?!?!?!?!? Very good that they are still only 1 game back despite the skid. Every team (except the 2018 club) goes through this stuff. Just gotta keep battling and the posters need to stop whinin' and nut up. If they don't win tonight I will personally dive down to the bottom of the ocean and retrieve CDJ's phone.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 4, 2021 10:03:29 GMT -5
The Sox look like they are spent. All season long almost every game has been a nail biter and they just look mentally exhausted from pulling near miracles out of the hat. It's been an interesting situation where not one player on the team could be said to have been over performing expectations. And many on the team have been worse than would have been reasonably expected and yet somehow they kept winning. The most obvious problem is the rotation. Scherzer is a free agent this off-season. He's said he would play in Boston. The Sox can go all in to try and sign him without giving up their best prospects for a shot in the dark chance this year. At this point the best thing the team can do is play Duran, Cordero and Dalbec almost every day to see if any of them can get it together. All three are on the older side for prospects. They should also be extremely cautious with Sale as there is no point in pushing him. Why wouldn't Scherzer simply stay in LA? They have the money to pay him as I assume they will be out from what they owe Trevor Bauer. That money is earmarked for pitching and Scherzer agreed to go to LA, probably because he knows they can extend him and he wants them to extend them. No reason for them not to. I wouldn't count on the Sox bringing him in. I also wonder how excited Bloom would be to pay $100 million for a guy hitting 40 at the end of the contract. I just don't see Scherzer to Boston happening. The Bauer case appears far from over, so I wouldn't count on LA having a bunch of money available just yet. Bauer has player options for the next two years and those could easily come into play depending on how the case proceeds and how MLB views it.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 4, 2021 10:05:31 GMT -5
Its weird to me everyone is worried about Schwarber when the most obvious problem is Pérez and Richards. Cora as well actually. They’ve both been hammered for like a month plus. Cora keeps leaving them in way too long, bringing them back out for another inning where they inevitably give up at least one run after getting out of a jam the previous inning where they clearly lost it. This happens basically every Richards start.
Yeah the offense is in a funk but they’ll snap put of it.
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Post by patford on Aug 4, 2021 10:09:18 GMT -5
Its weird to me everyone is worried about Schwarber when the most obvious problem is Pérez and Richards. Cora as well actually. They’ve both been hammered for like a month plus. Cora keeps leaving them in way too long, bringing them back out for another inning where they inevitably give up at least one run after getting out of a jam the previous inning where they clearly lost it. This happens basically every Richards start. Yeah the offense is in a funk but they’ll snap put of it. Why do you want to destroy the bullpen?
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Post by incandenza on Aug 4, 2021 10:25:12 GMT -5
Its weird to me everyone is worried about Schwarber when the most obvious problem is Pérez and Richards. Cora as well actually. They’ve both been hammered for like a month plus. Cora keeps leaving them in way too long, bringing them back out for another inning where they inevitably give up at least one run after getting out of a jam the previous inning where they clearly lost it. This happens basically every Richards start. Yeah the offense is in a funk but they’ll snap put of it. As near as I can tell, Perez' only real problem is that he's been giving up the dingers lately (29% HR/FB rate in his last 6 starts). Is that due to mechanical or fatigue issues or is it just bad luck that's primed for regression?
Though hmm, he also has a career high Hard Hit%.
Richards, meanwhile, has not looked like a major league pitcher since the sticky stuff crackdown.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 4, 2021 10:32:11 GMT -5
Its weird to me everyone is worried about Schwarber when the most obvious problem is Pérez and Richards. Cora as well actually. They’ve both been hammered for like a month plus. Cora keeps leaving them in way too long, bringing them back out for another inning where they inevitably give up at least one run after getting out of a jam the previous inning where they clearly lost it. This happens basically every Richards start. Yeah the offense is in a funk but they’ll snap put of it. its not really a funk when the offense has been terrible for close to two months
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 4, 2021 10:43:29 GMT -5
Why wouldn't Scherzer simply stay in LA? They have the money to pay him as I assume they will be out from what they owe Trevor Bauer. That money is earmarked for pitching and Scherzer agreed to go to LA, probably because he knows they can extend him and he wants them to extend them. No reason for them not to. I wouldn't count on the Sox bringing him in. I also wonder how excited Bloom would be to pay $100 million for a guy hitting 40 at the end of the contract. I just don't see Scherzer to Boston happening. The Bauer case appears far from over, so I wouldn't count on LA having a bunch of money available just yet. Bauer has player options for the next two years and those could easily come into play depending on how the case proceeds and how MLB views it.
Bauer is a paraiah in the Dodgers clubhouse and I wouldn't give anything for his major league future. I have a feeling he'll get when he has coming to him and the Dodgers won't owe him a thing.
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 4, 2021 10:56:42 GMT -5
5 game losing streaks are hard to take, but they will win tonight. I am on the record, OK ??!?!?!?!?!?!? Very good that they are still only 1 game back despite the skid. Every team (except the 2018 club) goes through this stuff. Just gotta keep battling and the posters need to stop whinin' and nut up. If they don't win tonight I will personally dive down to the bottom of the ocean and retrieve CDJ's phone. I've got one of these look-a- like bricks that you can toss in frustration at the TV and it makes a sound like glass breaking....brings some relief...Oh wait!...that WAS the TV...
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Post by Guidas on Aug 4, 2021 11:05:20 GMT -5
Noted and deleted. Except consider that Schwarber had a significant hammy strain. Working at first could exacerbate that if he decides to stretch for a ball or a throw.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 4, 2021 11:07:33 GMT -5
Dodgers to sign Cole Hammels.
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Post by foreverred9 on Aug 4, 2021 11:24:26 GMT -5
Its weird to me everyone is worried about Schwarber when the most obvious problem is Pérez and Richards. Cora as well actually. They’ve both been hammered for like a month plus. Cora keeps leaving them in way too long, bringing them back out for another inning where they inevitably give up at least one run after getting out of a jam the previous inning where they clearly lost it. This happens basically every Richards start. Yeah the offense is in a funk but they’ll snap put of it. As near as I can tell, Perez' only real problem is that he's been giving up the dingers lately (29% HR/FB rate in his last 6 starts). Is that due to mechanical or fatigue issues or is it just bad luck that's primed for regression? Though hmm, he also has a career high Hard Hit%.
Richards, meanwhile, has not looked like a major league pitcher since the sticky stuff crackdown.
I feel like Perez is reverting towards his expected numbers. The problem is that while he's reverting, ERod has still not done the opposite, so it makes the staff as a whole not look great. Eovaldi not giving us a shut down start this week didn't help either, this was the week we really needed a strong outing to hold back the tide. My concern right now is that since June 1st this team has a pythag of 0.500, with 263 runs scored to 262 runs against. They had been squeezing out wins with their comeback heroics to stay on their 0.600 pace, but the magic seems to have run out. This will be their first 10-game stretch all season not at 5-5, 6-4, or 7-3.
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Post by jimmydugan on Aug 4, 2021 11:29:25 GMT -5
Its weird to me everyone is worried about Schwarber when the most obvious problem is Pérez and Richards. Cora as well actually. They’ve both been hammered for like a month plus. Cora keeps leaving them in way too long, bringing them back out for another inning where they inevitably give up at least one run after getting out of a jam the previous inning where they clearly lost it. This happens basically every Richards start. Yeah the offense is in a funk but they’ll snap put of it. As near as I can tell, Perez' only real problem is that he's been giving up the dingers lately (29% HR/FB rate in his last 6 starts). Is that due to mechanical or fatigue issues or is it just bad luck that's primed for regression? Though hmm, he also has a career high Hard Hit%.
Richards, meanwhile, has not looked like a major league pitcher since the sticky stuff crackdown.
I'm just looking at Perez' stats quickly, but it looks like it might be a problem with his cutter location. Year BA XBA SLG XSLG WOBA XWOBA EV Whiff% PutAway%2021 .352 .330 .598 .564 .439 .432 90.6 13.6 22.5 2020 .172 .233 .266 .342 .236 .290 85 18.2 18.8 2019 .214 .205 .343 .311 .269 .260 84.4 22.6 20.3
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Post by incandenza on Aug 4, 2021 11:40:33 GMT -5
As near as I can tell, Perez' only real problem is that he's been giving up the dingers lately (29% HR/FB rate in his last 6 starts). Is that due to mechanical or fatigue issues or is it just bad luck that's primed for regression? Though hmm, he also has a career high Hard Hit%.
Richards, meanwhile, has not looked like a major league pitcher since the sticky stuff crackdown.
I feel like Perez is reverting towards his expected numbers. The problem is that while he's reverting, ERod has still not done the opposite, so it makes the staff as a whole not look great. Eovaldi not giving us a shut down start this week didn't help either, this was the week we really needed a strong outing to hold back the tide. My concern right now is that since June 1st this team has a pythag of 0.500, with 263 runs scored to 262 runs against. They had been squeezing out wins with their comeback heroics to stay on their 0.600 pace, but the magic seems to have run out. This will be their first 10-game stretch all season not at 5-5, 6-4, or 7-3. Rodriguez reverted back over a month ago. From 6/22 to 7/16 he had a 2.83 ERA to go with a 3.23 FIP/3.22 xFIP. Then his last two games were the migraine game and then a legitimately bad start against Toronto. (That last one is a case where I wouldn't defer to the multiverse stats: he had just a 1.96 FIP, but he walked the last 3 guys he faced; clearly he just lost it in that game.) Overall he has a 4.36 ERA since 6/22, 4.22 not counting the migraine game.
Agree with your last paragraph though. They need reinforcements badly - Schwarber and Sale, but also Kiké was sorely missed yesterday. Franchy was probably only the 4th-worst hitter in yesterday's lineup, which is a troubling thought.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 4, 2021 11:45:42 GMT -5
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