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8/3-8/5 Red Sox @ Tigers Thread
cdj
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Post by cdj on Aug 4, 2021 11:52:04 GMT -5
Volpe is a problem. NJ kid too so he probably grew up a Yankees fan to boot. Don’t like that at all! As an aside- not for nothing but Austin Davis looked pretty good last night. I think I’ll curse less watching him than I did watching Chavis |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 4, 2021 11:53:06 GMT -5
The Bauer case appears far from over, so I wouldn't count on LA having a bunch of money available just yet. Bauer has player options for the next two years and those could easily come into play depending on how the case proceeds and how MLB views it.
Bauer is a paraiah in the Dodgers clubhouse and I wouldn't give anything for his major league future. I have a feeling he'll get when he has coming to him and the Dodgers won't owe him a thing. All true but there's no guarantee that MLB/MLBPA allow LAD to void his deal (which I'm sure they're lobbying heavily to do). Here's Ken Rosenthal on the subject, as quoted by sportstalkatl.com (in reference to Marcell Ozuna's case, which is also far from over and he has a brand new four-year deal...):
<< No team has ever attempted to terminate the contract of any of the 13 players previously suspended for domestic violence, knowing that efforts to convert guaranteed money to non-guaranteed money in other situations have rarely resulted in anything more than partial success. >>
If LAD can't void the deal, there's no way Bauer opts out of 2 yrs/$64m, although they won't have to pay him for any time that he is suspended (which also hasn't yet happened).
It's a wait-and-see situation. Obviously what Bauer is accused of is reprehensible and would warrant suspension and make him a pariah for most other teams (big opportunity for Cashman) but it's a legal case, so a lot is likely to depend on what the courts find (which may be different than TMZ's or some other media outlet's verdict).
Sorry to stray so far from Sox-Tigers...
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 4, 2021 12:18:07 GMT -5
I get that we can't tax the bullpen too much but for most of June, we carried Andriese and Workman on the roster and they barely pitched. When they did pitch, they pitched very badly, and Andriese blew what could’ve been one of the best wins of the season in Oakland. So they completely wasted two bullpen spots. Then this month they went with a six man rotation, an experiment that backfired dramatically when it led to ERod starting against a righty heavy Jays team and getting swept by our top competitor.
Once Sale returns, I would advocate that we option Araúz, DFA Richards and bring back Houck as a bulk reliever.
With two bulk relievers, we should be ok with bullpen workload management. They should also get at least one more arm in September.
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Post by greenmonster on Aug 4, 2021 12:36:35 GMT -5
I get that we can't tax the bullpen too much but for most of June, we carried Andriese and Workman on the roster and they barely pitched. When they did pitch, they pitched very badly, and Andriese blew what could’ve been one of the best wins of the season in Oakland. So they completely wasted two bullpen spots. Then this month they went with a six man rotation, an experiment that backfired dramatically when it led to ERod starting against a righty heavy Jays team and getting swept by our top competitor. Once Sale returns, I would advocate that we option Araúz, DFA Richards and bring back Houck as a bulk reliever.
With two bulk relievers, we should be ok with bullpen workload management. They should also get at least one more arm in September. I agree with this...Houck and Whitlock essentially available for two innings (6th & 7th) every other day assuming game situation warrants. Then just gotta get 5IP out of the starters...Confident: Eovaldi, Sale....Less Confident: Pivetta, Perez, Edro. Final two innings with Taylor, Otto, Barnes |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 4, 2021 12:43:44 GMT -5
I get that we can't tax the bullpen too much but for most of June, we carried Andriese and Workman on the roster and they barely pitched. When they did pitch, they pitched very badly, and Andriese blew what could’ve been one of the best wins of the season in Oakland. So they completely wasted two bullpen spots. Then this month they went with a six man rotation, an experiment that backfired dramatically when it led to ERod starting against a righty heavy Jays team and getting swept by our top competitor. Once Sale returns, I would advocate that we option Araúz, DFA Richards and bring back Houck as a bulk reliever. With two bulk relievers, we should be ok with bullpen workload management. They should also get at least one more arm in September. Good ideas but I doubt they'll DFA Richards b/c of the message it would send to future free agents (although he would almost certainly clear waivers with his salary). I think they'll try him in the bullpen in a role like you describe and if that doesn't work they'll phantom-IL him.
EDIT: Or would the Sox be paying his salary if a team claims him? All but the minimum? If that's the case, I feel even more strongly that they'll continue to try to make lemonade out of lemons.
EDIT, part deux: According to soxprospects.com (your go-to source...) Richards has 2 options but, considering he's a veteran on a new FA deal, I would be surprised if one could be exercised without his approval.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 4, 2021 13:15:29 GMT -5
I mean Richards still gets paid regardless. Free agents primarily come for the money and the opportunity to play for a good franchise/manager is a secondary objective. I don’t think whether reclamation projects fail and get DFA-ed after giving them over 20 starts is a big consideration for future guys we’d want if one at all.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 4, 2021 14:02:41 GMT -5
I get that we can't tax the bullpen too much but for most of June, we carried Andriese and Workman on the roster and they barely pitched. When they did pitch, they pitched very badly, and Andriese blew what could’ve been one of the best wins of the season in Oakland. So they completely wasted two bullpen spots. Then this month they went with a six man rotation, an experiment that backfired dramatically when it led to ERod starting against a righty heavy Jays team and getting swept by our top competitor. Once Sale returns, I would advocate that we option Araúz, DFA Richards and bring back Houck as a bulk reliever.
With two bulk relievers, we should be ok with bullpen workload management. They should also get at least one more arm in September. I agree with this...Houck and Whitlock essentially available for two innings (6th & 7th) every other day assuming game situation warrants. Then just gotta get 5IP out of the starters...Confident: Eovaldi, Sale....Less Confident: Pivetta, Perez, Edro. Final two innings with Taylor, Otto, Barnes Rotation: Sale Eo E-Rod HouckPivetta I'd always prefer to use a good P as a starter, rather than as a reliever. Whitlock is a nice luxury to have in the pen, but I don't think we need him and Houck in that role. We should have enough in the BP with Barnes, Otto, Taylor, Sawamura and Whitlock for high-lev and Rios, Robles and Valdez for lower-leverage roles. I'd still like to see them call up Durbin Feltman and see whether he can pitch his way into the circle of trust. |
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Post by station13 on Aug 4, 2021 14:02:47 GMT -5
must win tonight with big series in Toronto looming.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 4, 2021 14:20:58 GMT -5
Legit question: Five game losing streak BUT, by the grace of the Seattle Mariners, the Sox are a half game back of first. When do people here start thinking:
A: We've got virtually no chance of first anymore.
B: OK, now I'm nervous about the Wild Card?
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 4, 2021 14:35:04 GMT -5
I mean Richards still gets paid regardless. Free agents primarily come for the money and the opportunity to play for a good franchise/manager is a secondary objective. I don’t think whether reclamation projects fail and get DFA-ed after giving them over 20 starts is a big consideration for future guys we’d want if one at all. but here is the thing, Richards was pitching fine until they fully enforced the sticky stuff (which they rarely ever did before) IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON... If they were going to make this change they should have done it in the offseason, so players like him can adjust prior to the season and in spring training... |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 4, 2021 14:35:28 GMT -5
Legit question: Five game losing streak BUT, by the grace of the Seattle Mariners, the Sox are a half game back of first. When do people here start thinking: A: We've got virtually no chance of first anymore. B: OK, now I'm nervous about the Wild Card? Actually the Sox are a full game behind Tampa after losing last night and today Tampa is leading after 7 innings so their lead will be up to 1.5 games if they hold on and if the Sox lose again they'll be 2 out. For me, if the Sox drift to about 4 or 5 games out of 1st place, they won't catch Tampa. And if NY and/or Toronto get to within 4 or less games behind the Sox, I would worry about either of those teams catching up. The Sox are 1-6 last week. They haven't had a stretch of 6-15 this year and this 1-6 could be the start of that. If so, they could put themselves in a bad position. The Sox have to start playing better, but there is a legit concern that if Sale doesn't pitch like something resembling an ace, an the rotation continues to be awful, it could render the bullpen overtaxed and ineffective. I think the offense will hit again, but I am concerned that teams know that the Sox hitters will chase pitches outside of the strike zone and will continue to exploit that. Schwarber is a big key here, too. Can he handle 1b adequately? Which Schwarber do they get? The one who hit .215 for the first couple of months or the guy who hit like Babe Ruth the last 3 weeks before his injury? If it's the former, that won't help the offense that much. At the moment I would say it's ridiculous to say they can't finish first. I also would say that I'm more concerned than nervous about them blowing the wild card. Nervous creeps in once NY gets to within 3 games. |
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Post by manfred on Aug 4, 2021 14:39:34 GMT -5
Legit question: Five game losing streak BUT, by the grace of the Seattle Mariners, the Sox are a half game back of first. When do people here start thinking: A: We've got virtually no chance of first anymore. B: OK, now I'm nervous about the Wild Card? I’m not sure what the logic would be in viewing a one-game deficit as insurmountable but also thinking a five-game lead is tenuous. Catching a game or two with 54 to go? Child’s play. So I have no concerns they *can’t* (not to say that also might not fall short, but it is nearly 50/50). And the WC lead feels solid though not immune to collapse. One great thing about the WC: it is in their own hands. They don’t need help from anyone else. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 4, 2021 14:56:21 GMT -5
Its weird to me everyone is worried about Schwarber when the most obvious problem is Pérez and Richards. Cora as well actually. They’ve both been hammered for like a month plus. Cora keeps leaving them in way too long, bringing them back out for another inning where they inevitably give up at least one run after getting out of a jam the previous inning where they clearly lost it. This happens basically every Richards start. Yeah the offense is in a funk but they’ll snap put of it. OHH freakn please!! Cora is the reason this team is even in contention. Just look at last year, the expectations for this year and where they are. That might be the worst take of the year, in fact I nominate it as such. |
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Post by Guidas on Aug 4, 2021 15:18:01 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 4, 2021 15:39:36 GMT -5
Who cares, based on what I read in here the season is over. On to 2022. |
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 4, 2021 15:43:41 GMT -5
I agree with this...Houck and Whitlock essentially available for two innings (6th & 7th) every other day assuming game situation warrants. Then just gotta get 5IP out of the starters...Confident: Eovaldi, Sale....Less Confident: Pivetta, Perez, Edro. Final two innings with Taylor, Otto, Barnes Rotation: Sale Eo E-Rod HouckPivetta I'd always prefer to use a good P as a starter, rather than as a reliever. Whitlock is a nice luxury to have in the pen, but I don't think we need him and Houck in that role. We should have enough in the BP with Barnes, Otto, Taylor, Sawamura and Whitlock for high-lev and Rios, Robles and Valdez for lower-leverage roles. I'd still like to see them call up Durbin Feltman and see whether he can pitch his way into the circle of trust. I don’t see any scenario that does not have Sale and Houck in the rotation going forward. |
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 4, 2021 16:44:45 GMT -5
We are 2/3 of the way through the season. LOL. There are still a lot of ballgames. Who knows how it will end up.
I mean, didn't the Rays have like a great run earlier in the year. Yes, I actually got off my lazy butt and did some research. They were 22-6 in the month of May. For the math challenged, that means they are a whopping 5 games over the other 3 months. Ha. That doesn't scream domination to me.
We just need to find our footing, hopefully, and we have a great chance to win the dang division. Games against division foes will obviously matter more.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 4, 2021 16:45:45 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Aug 4, 2021 16:50:45 GMT -5
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Post by greenmonster on Aug 4, 2021 16:51:12 GMT -5
Godspeed Jerry
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Post by incandenza on Aug 4, 2021 16:55:54 GMT -5
We are 2/3 of the way through the season. LOL. There are still a lot of ballgames. Who knows how it will end up. I mean, didn't the Rays have like a great run earlier in the year. Yes, I actually got off my lazy butt and did some research. They were 22-6 in the month of May. For the math challenged, that means they are a whopping 5 games over the other 3 months. Ha. That doesn't scream domination to me. We just need to find our footing, hopefully, and we have a great chance to win the dang division. Games against division foes will obviously matter more. The Red Sox (anemic offense, terrible pitching) have been so mediocre that they've gone only 23-18 since June 14th, while the Rays (scrappy, dynamic, on a magical run, beloved of ESPN announcers) have gone... 22-20. |
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Post by bigmarty58 on Aug 4, 2021 16:57:31 GMT -5
Take it day-by-day Jerry, keep fighting!
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 4, 2021 17:06:46 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 4, 2021 17:11:30 GMT -5
Get well Jerry. The broadcasts aren't the same without you.
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Post by nomar on Aug 4, 2021 17:17:31 GMT -5
Win one for Jerry
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