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8/3-8/5 Red Sox @ Tigers Thread
TearsIn04
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 5, 2021 15:55:03 GMT -5
I have to say: Detroit is much less terrible than I remember. Early in the season, they were disgraceful. But this team is no pushover at all. Got off to an 8-19 start in March and April but above .500 since then. I can't understand why they didn't move Schoop, though. |
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Post by tizzle on Aug 5, 2021 15:55:17 GMT -5
I wanna glide down over Mulholland
I wanna write her name in the sky
I'm gonna free fall out into nothin'
Gonna leave this world for a while
And I'm free (free fallin', now I'm free fallin')
Free fallin' (free fallin', now I'm free fallin')
Yeah I'm free (free fallin', now I'm free fallin')
Free fallin' (free fallin', now I'm free fallin')
(Now I'm)
Yeah, I'm free, free fallin'
Oh! Free fallin'
Now I'm free fallin'
Free fallin'
(Free fallin', now I'm free fallin')
And I'm free
(Free fallin', now I'm free fallin')
Oh, free fallin'
(Free fallin', now I'm free fallin')
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 5, 2021 16:07:58 GMT -5
Perez and Richards have already pitched and lost their games. They will continue to get a couple more turns putting those games at risk. These games still matter. 1.1 IP from Perez. That is really a new low for him. Can they afford to keep them in the rotation for 10 more days? The damage is already being done. I don't trust the continued health of Eovaldi and E-Rod. It has been a borderline miracle and becoming more likely as the season is winding down. We're still assuming Sale doesn't hit a set back and that he will be the same freak of nature that he's always been. If there's a guy who could be that right after TJ, it's him. Still, it's a risk. I never said I'd give up on Duran. I said he should be rotating around to give other guys days off, but his bat is a blight on this year's team (so far) I'm hoping he figures it out and needs to be started regularly. It's not looking great with that k rate, but it's early for him. In a must-win series, I'd like to have Schwarber, Verdugo, and Renfroe in the outfield and a competent 1B. The Jay's have a stacked lineup and Berrios gives them a chance to really catch up. The Yankees are becoming one of baseball's best teams. The rotation is solid and is going to be better with Severino and Kluber if they're pitching like they're capable of. They have a great offense. Oakland is also hanging around too if those 2 teams weren't enough. I think you're under selling Toronto a bit. Their run differential is +111. They should have more wins than they currently have. The Red Sox now get a series in Toronto next. This could be a knock out punch despite all of these struggles, but if they lose or get swept? Watch out below. 2nd WC and getting bounced from that also isn't exactly a success. I have a lot of concerns too about the Sox and the continued health of Eovaldi, E-Rod, etc. But if we're going to play that game, how many days go by before we hear of some Yankee player going on the Covid list? You're complaining a lot about the Sox not fixing their problems. Are you aware of one problem the Yankees did NOT fix? Their bullpen still freaking sucks. How many winnable games did that pen flush? If you were a Yankees fan, how confident would you be in Aroldis Chapman? He has ended their last two post-seasons giving up the long-ball. He has been terrible since the sticky stuff ban. And who else is in that pen you'd trust if you were a Yankees fan? Chad Greene, the guy who blew the game against the Sox one out away from victory? Or Loaisaga who blew a 4-0 8th inning lead against the Sox? When does Britton get injured again? Why didn't then Yankees fix their pen? All they did was get rid of Cessa and bring in some guy from the Pirates that has a track record as bad as Robles. My point isn't to attack the Yankees. They'll be a handful, but it's for you to get a grip, and see that they didn't fix all of their issues either and they have achilles' heels as well. As far as Duran goes, if he sucks to the point he needs to be benched or sat down...eventually Arroyo comes back. They can play him regularly at 2b if need be and stick Kiké Hernandez back in CF. If Duran hits enough than you platoon him Arroyo and shuttle Hernandez back and forth. I think the Sox offense misses Arroyo. He's no star, but he puts the ball in play and he's gotten a lot of big hits this year. He'll be back. TLDR
Sox have had Tronno's number this year. I expect that to continue.
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Post by fanofredsox on Aug 5, 2021 16:12:43 GMT -5
So, how’s it line up in Toronto? Eovaldi, Pivetta, Houck & Richards?
It needs to be; Eovaldi, Sale, Houck, Pivetta.
Time for management to step up
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 5, 2021 16:27:36 GMT -5
So, how’s it line up in Toronto? Eovaldi, Pivetta, Houck & Richards? It needs to be; Eovaldi, Sale, Houck, Pivetta. Time for management to step up Oh you think Sale should start in Toronto? You don't say? Seriously, the repetitive posts, y'all. We get it. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 5, 2021 16:37:28 GMT -5
Perez and Richards have already pitched and lost their games. They will continue to get a couple more turns putting those games at risk. These games still matter. 1.1 IP from Perez. That is really a new low for him. Can they afford to keep them in the rotation for 10 more days? The damage is already being done. I don't trust the continued health of Eovaldi and E-Rod. It has been a borderline miracle and becoming more likely as the season is winding down. We're still assuming Sale doesn't hit a set back and that he will be the same freak of nature that he's always been. If there's a guy who could be that right after TJ, it's him. Still, it's a risk. I never said I'd give up on Duran. I said he should be rotating around to give other guys days off, but his bat is a blight on this year's team (so far) I'm hoping he figures it out and needs to be started regularly. It's not looking great with that k rate, but it's early for him. In a must-win series, I'd like to have Schwarber, Verdugo, and Renfroe in the outfield and a competent 1B. The Jay's have a stacked lineup and Berrios gives them a chance to really catch up. The Yankees are becoming one of baseball's best teams. The rotation is solid and is going to be better with Severino and Kluber if they're pitching like they're capable of. They have a great offense. Oakland is also hanging around too if those 2 teams weren't enough. I think you're under selling Toronto a bit. Their run differential is +111. They should have more wins than they currently have. The Red Sox now get a series in Toronto next. This could be a knock out punch despite all of these struggles, but if they lose or get swept? Watch out below. 2nd WC and getting bounced from that also isn't exactly a success. I have a lot of concerns too about the Sox and the continued health of Eovaldi, E-Rod, etc. But if we're going to play that game, how many days go by before we hear of some Yankee player going on the Covid list? You're complaining a lot about the Sox not fixing their problems. Are you aware of one problem the Yankees did NOT fix? Their bullpen still freaking sucks. How many winnable games did that pen flush? If you were a Yankees fan, how confident would you be in Aroldis Chapman? He has ended their last two post-seasons giving up the long-ball. He has been terrible since the sticky stuff ban. And who else is in that pen you'd trust if you were a Yankees fan? Chad Greene, the guy who blew the game against the Sox one out away from victory? Or Loaisaga who blew a 4-0 8th inning lead against the Sox? When does Britton get injured again? Why didn't then Yankees fix their pen? All they did was get rid of Cessa and bring in some guy from the Pirates that has a track record as bad as Robles. My point isn't to attack the Yankees. They'll be a handful, but it's for you to get a grip, and see that they didn't fix all of their issues either and they have achilles' heels as well. As far as Duran goes, if he sucks to the point he needs to be benched or sat down...eventually Arroyo comes back. They can play him regularly at 2b if need be and stick Kiké Hernandez back in CF. If Duran hits enough than you platoon him Arroyo and shuttle Hernandez back and forth. I think the Sox offense misses Arroyo. He's no star, but he puts the ball in play and he's gotten a lot of big hits this year. He'll be back. It's a fair critique of the Yankees. Their bullpen I think actually downgraded a bit, so maybe that catches up to them in October. I don't trust Chapman, but Stephen Ridings and Luis Gil might be great additions for them. I believe Yankees fans were annoyed with the bad managing of Loaisaga as I think Boone was pushing him right after coming back from Covid. At this point, Arroyo is a nice piece to have when you have him. I don't think of him as a contributing factor moving forward. See, I actually think that's in the cards. 4-5 good-to-great innings, turn the ball over to Houck or Richards for 2-3 and you have a chance to win every game. If we get the E-Rod we saw yesterday, Eovaldi, Sale for 4 innings and Pivetta, why not? You mean Whitlock? Turning the ball over to Richards only results in frustration. Because I'm sure Cora knows that if he gets to the post-season he can get 3 runs 5 IP out of most of his starters, he'll have a chance to win because he can bridge with Houck and Whitlock and have late inning options with Taylor, Brasier, Ottavino, Barnes. And if he can't use them in the 6th inning he can go with Sawamura or Darwinzon. His starters can be mediocre but they can't bury them. Plus the offense has to get moving again. You can't have Devers, X, and JDM not hitting. If that happens, they have no chance. If they hit and they get enough elsewhere, and maybe Schwarber can help there, then the Sox can score enough runs. In the meanwhile they probably need Houck for the rotation and they way Valdez has looked they can use him in the role I think Houck would best serve in the post-season given you only need 4 starters. Oh, absolutely. Wrong Garrett for sure. Yes, I meant Whitlock. While I would have liked an upgrade at SP, it was lower on the list. I think the first 4 is pretty good. I don't disagree that Valdez hasn't been a revelation. Maybe Pivetta can be effective out of the pen. It's even more reason why I felt Schwarber in LF and a solid 1B were the most important fixes. They really need to waive Richards and Pérez immediately. |
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 5, 2021 16:37:37 GMT -5
So, how’s it line up in Toronto? Eovaldi, Pivetta, Houck & Richards? It needs to be; Eovaldi, Sale, Houck, Pivetta. Time for management to step up They're already behind the 8 ball for that Richards start. But he can throw 100 pitches so uhh cool I guess?? |
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Post by greenmonster on Aug 5, 2021 16:44:16 GMT -5
I didn't see the post-game but was listening to WEEI on my drive home and joined in the middle of the discussion. They seemed to be speaking about a confrontation with Martin Perez and it sounded like it wasn't on the field. Am I imagining this?
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Post by manfred on Aug 5, 2021 16:46:43 GMT -5
C’mon… this weekend is a blast! We got playoff intensity against a rejuvenated Jays team. Remember last season? Sucked! Now: This is what it is about. I am pretty stoked for it.
And… optimism! If the Sox take 3 of 4, it is kind of a dagger for Toronto.
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 5, 2021 17:02:17 GMT -5
C’mon… this weekend is a blast! We got playoff intensity against a rejuvenated Jays team. Remember last season? Sucked! Now: This is what it is about. I am pretty stoked for it. And… optimism! If the Sox take 3 of 4, it is kind of a dagger for Toronto. 2 of 4 may do it to be honest |
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Post by patford on Aug 5, 2021 17:38:08 GMT -5
It was a good year because the Sox made the Yankees go crazy at the deadline.
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Post by cdj on Aug 5, 2021 18:31:17 GMT -5
What I don’t understand is the concern that Kyle Schwarber may have trouble returning from his hamstring when he returned early from a shredded knee and slashed .412/.500/.471 in the WS (while also playing outfield iirc)
.288/.405/.576 line in the playoffs for his career
Yeah that’s a huge pickup. Him and Sale are going to be timely shots in the arm. Houck and Seabold too
It’s a bad stretch of baseball that they’ll come out of- their lineup is too talented not to
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2021 19:08:36 GMT -5
It was a good year because the Sox made the Yankees go crazy at the deadline. Post like this make me laugh. Seems like a lot of fans only care what prospects the Yankee have given up and not that they improved there team to catch us. I hate to be the the one to tell you this patford but Yankees have been killing it in international signings and what they given up in prospect this trade deadline and what they bring in next year they will be a much stronger farm system. What I read somewhere and I think it was on this site the Yankees are in on six out of top 20 prospects while Red sox are in on none. |
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Post by Guidas on Aug 5, 2021 19:26:11 GMT -5
The way Sale is lined up he misses TB and NYY. That seems… wrong.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 5, 2021 19:28:00 GMT -5
It was a good year because the Sox made the Yankees go crazy at the deadline. Post like this make me laugh. Seems like a lot of fans only care what prospects the Yankee have given up and not that they improved there team to catch us. I hate to be the the one to tell you this patford but Yankees have been killing it in international signings and what they given up in prospect this trade deadline and what they bring in next year they will be a much stronger farm system. What I read somewhere and I think it was on this site the Yankees are in on six out of top 20 prospects while Red sox are in on none. NYY now 2 games out of the WC. |
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Post by fanofredsox on Aug 5, 2021 19:30:29 GMT -5
The way Sale is lined up he misses TB and NYY. That seems… wrong. Yea, it’s not just the players who are slumping management is as well |
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 5, 2021 20:21:09 GMT -5
It was a good year because the Sox made the Yankees go crazy at the deadline. Post like this make me laugh. Seems like a lot of fans only care what prospects the Yankee have given up and not that they improved there team to catch us. I hate to be the the one to tell you this patford but Yankees have been killing it in international signings and what they given up in prospect this trade deadline and what they bring in next year they will be a much stronger farm system. What I read somewhere and I think it was on this site the Yankees are in on six out of top 20 prospects while Red sox are in on none. Sox kept all of their prospects other than Aldo though. So they're in a much better spot... Yankees were dumb to give up their 10-15th ranked prospects! Who cares if Rizzo has been killing it. Schwarber will be back by the middle of the month and will hit 10 homers in 7 games right away. If the Sox can't win 3 out of 4 vs Toronto its going to be mayhem. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2021 20:56:12 GMT -5
Post like this make me laugh. Seems like a lot of fans only care what prospects the Yankee have given up and not that they improved there team to catch us. I hate to be the the one to tell you this patford but Yankees have been killing it in international signings and what they given up in prospect this trade deadline and what they bring in next year they will be a much stronger farm system. What I read somewhere and I think it was on this site the Yankees are in on six out of top 20 prospects while Red sox are in on none. Sox kept all of their prospects other than Aldo though. So they're in a much better spot... Yankees were dumb to give up their 10-15th ranked prospects! Who cares if Rizzo has been killing it. Schwarber will be back by the middle of the month and will hit 10 homers in 7 games right away. If the Sox can't win 3 out of 4 vs Toronto its going to be mayhem. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2021 21:25:29 GMT -5
Schwarber will be back by the middle of the month and will hit 10 homers in 7 games right away. You sound like a typical Patriots fan. Pats will win the Super Bowl because we have Bill Belichick with no logic behind your post. Hope your right and the pats win the Super Bowl and next ranking we jump past the Yankees in farm system rankings.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 5, 2021 21:46:47 GMT -5
Schwarber will be back by the middle of the month and will hit 10 homers in 7 games right away. You sound like a typical Patriots fan. Pats will win the Super Bowl because we have Bill Belichick with no logic behind your post. Hope your right and the pats win the Super Bowl and next ranking we jump past the Yankees in farm system rankings. He was being sarcastic. He was not being a homer. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 5, 2021 21:54:26 GMT -5
The Red Sox are picking a bad time to suck. The Yankees were 9.5 games out just about 10 days ago and suddenly they're just 4 games out. Toronto is not far behind NY and Oakland is only about 2.5 games behind Boston so unless the Sox get their act together soon, they are putting their postseason chance in jeopardy, and Cora knows it. Wish I could be a fly on the wall at some of their most recent team meetings. Cora was kind of fiery with the media. Can only imagine what he had to say in the clubhouse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2021 21:57:07 GMT -5
I thought he was one of the Red sox fans who have John Callis Keith Law fathead poster on his wall sorry
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 5, 2021 22:18:25 GMT -5
Was pretty enlightening to hear Cora note how they've been pretty terrible with men on base all season. He is really frustrated with so many of the hitters not controlling the strike zone.
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Post by unitspin on Aug 6, 2021 2:59:08 GMT -5
The rotation is a dumpster fire and ppl are worried about the offense that has carried them all season. Its like ppl are surprised that at some point they weren't going to win every game 9-8.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 6, 2021 7:44:08 GMT -5
The rotation is a dumpster fire and ppl are worried about the offense that has carried them all season. Its like ppl are surprised that at some point they weren't going to win every game 9-8. Sale will fix all. Have faith. On the other hand Garrett Richards believes he should stay be pitching every 5th day because he can throw 100 pitches. Please DFA this bum. Please... |
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