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8/10-8/12 Red Sox vs. Rays Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 11, 2021 21:24:37 GMT -5
No - batters are going to swing. I'm talking about managers doing this. Must have a pitcher pitch. This is (supposed to be) professional competition. Yeah, it’s on Cash. I’m not sure what you mean about the Rays remembering this tomorrow. I don’t see that there is anything for them to be upset with the Sox about. Their pitching sucked as bad as it can tonight. The Ray's kind of punted on the game. They left Fleming in to take a beating when it was obvious he didn't have it. And they used Mejia. It was all about tomorrow, to preserve arms for the bullpen game.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 11, 2021 21:25:21 GMT -5
this is why we can't have nice things. Not a good way to end this game - but that's Tampa for ya. Grrrr.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 11, 2021 21:26:04 GMT -5
Try not to blow a 19 run lead. There goes Valdez's ERA. That's not going to get under 4 again this year. Too bad. He's actually been decent this year.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 11, 2021 21:26:28 GMT -5
Eovaldi currently tied for the AL fWAR lead with some guy named Cole. Also 3rd in all of baseball in FIP.
Bargain.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Aug 11, 2021 21:26:32 GMT -5
Maybe the over/under for total runs was 25 and he bet an entire paycheck on over?
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 11, 2021 21:27:18 GMT -5
jesus christ, pull him
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 11, 2021 21:27:23 GMT -5
WOW. WTF Valdez.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 11, 2021 21:27:44 GMT -5
Yeah, it’s on Cash. I’m not sure what you mean about the Rays remembering this tomorrow. I don’t see that there is anything for them to be upset with the Sox about. Their pitching sucked as bad as it can tonight. The Ray's kind of punted on the game. They left Fleming in to take a beating when it was obvious he didn't have it. And they used Mejia. It was all about tomorrow, to preserve arms for the bullpen game. The luxury of having games to give. Imagine the squirming over there if the Sox didn’t piss away yesterday.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 11, 2021 21:28:10 GMT -5
Well, that was easy.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 11, 2021 21:28:15 GMT -5
Gotta love Eck - "you'd think a position player was pitching".
Indeed.
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Post by cdj on Aug 11, 2021 21:28:17 GMT -5
Still smoked em
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Post by Guidas on Aug 11, 2021 21:29:11 GMT -5
Great Win.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 11, 2021 21:29:48 GMT -5
The Ray's kind of punted on the game. They left Fleming in to take a beating when it was obvious he didn't have it. And they used Mejia. It was all about tomorrow, to preserve arms for the bullpen game. The luxury of having games to give. Imagine the squirming over there if the Sox didn’t piss away yesterday. Tomorrow's game is crucial. Today gets forgotten if the Sox lose tomorrow.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 11, 2021 21:31:35 GMT -5
Alright - we can only do this one game at a time. 4 games behind, 2 up on the MFY. Really important to win tomorrow.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Aug 11, 2021 21:34:43 GMT -5
No - batters are going to swing. I'm talking about managers doing this. Must have a pitcher pitch. This is (supposed to be) professional competition. Yeah, it’s on Cash. I’m not sure what you mean about the Rays remembering this tomorrow. I don’t see that there is anything for them to be upset with the Sox about. Their pitching sucked as bad as it can tonight. I'm just thinking the piling on - especially making no attempt to step out of the path of the slow pitches. Taking a HBP is stupid up that many runs against a non-pitcher. Stay up there and swing the bat. Not liking how this game is winding down. Seems like a bit of a psychological advantage for Rays going into tomorrow. They are thinking: at least we got our meaningless runs against an actual pitcher. Probably doesn't really matter.
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Post by tizzle on Aug 11, 2021 21:39:29 GMT -5
Valdez.... I just don't know.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 11, 2021 21:42:51 GMT -5
Valdez.... I just don't know. He'd only pitched once since 7/29. Clearly rusty. Some guys need regular work.
The glass half-empty view is that TB has his number, just like they do for just about every other reliever in the AL. Their numbers late and vs. relievers are sick.
[...and they basically did nothing off ERod and Eovaldi in 12.1 IP...]
EDIT: ...and they scored 13 runs in 5.2 innings off relievers...
EDIT 2 (revenge of EDIT): Just announced Houck will pitch tomorrow. I hate it, for exactly the reasons I just said. They'll need 4+ innings from relievers and TB is going to feast. It matters not one iota how well Houck throws in his 3-5 IP. I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by benzinger on Aug 11, 2021 22:06:28 GMT -5
Yeah, it’s on Cash. I’m not sure what you mean about the Rays remembering this tomorrow. I don’t see that there is anything for them to be upset with the Sox about. Their pitching sucked as bad as it can tonight. I'm just thinking the piling on - especially making no attempt to step out of the path of the slow pitches. Taking a HBP is stupid up that many runs against a non-pitcher. Stay up there and swing the bat. Not liking how this game is winding down. Seems like a bit of a psychological advantage for Rays going into tomorrow. They are thinking: at least we got our meaningless runs against an actual pitcher. Probably doesn't really matter. Nah. If the Rays are going to have a catcher pitch, the Sox are under no obligation to make him look good.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 11, 2021 22:14:03 GMT -5
So - with Richards joining Perez in the pen, and Houck starting tomorrow (and Sale's first start coming up) - we have a rotation of Eovaldi, ERod, Pivetta, Houck and Sale. I am liking that a LOT. (that's 5)
the pen - Barnes, Ottavino, Taylor, Whitlock, Sawamura - then Richards, Perez, Rios and "the rest" - Robles, Davis, Valdez - with Brazier, Hernandez, and (yikes) Andriese working their way back from injuries. If we are carrying 14 pitchers right now, and this list a total of 19 - who are the 5 to say goodbye to? Andriese is easy, and Robles and David career with the team may be really short. The other two - Valdez? Rios? Or is it time to say goodbye to Perez and/or Richards?
Some interesting decisions lie ahead.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Aug 11, 2021 22:17:33 GMT -5
Marwin, eh? Does Verdugo *really* need to spend this much time with his newborn child? I mean, it's not like the kid's gonna remember... The best days of my life were watching my two sons being born!!! The babies do not remember, but the parents sure as hell do. Glad to see Verdugo spend the time with his wife and child, because that is what does matter!!!!!!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 11, 2021 22:19:49 GMT -5
Marwin, eh? Does Verdugo *really* need to spend this much time with his newborn child? I mean, it's not like the kid's gonna remember... The best days of my life were watching my two sons being born!!! The babies do not remember, but the parents sure as hell do. Glad to see Verdugo spend the time with his wife and child, because that is what does matter!!!!!! Perfectly stated. Being there for the birth of my two girls (who are now 36 and 40) are highlights of my life, for sure.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 11, 2021 22:37:39 GMT -5
Sox are the first team since 1977 and the second since 1961 to score 20+ runs without having 20 hits, and homering 0 or 1 times.
(BTW, my absence from this board during the road trip is not because they've been struggling. I had a minor medical treatment, for chronic dry eyes, on the day they split the doubleheader with the Blue Jays. It pretty much made things worse in the short term, during which they went 2-10 and I was distracted trying various coping strategies. Today is the best they've felt since. )
I'm going to wait until after tomorrow (I hope) before analyzing the 2-10 skid via WPA, which is really quick and simple.
Note that folks including the preceding 9-8 stretch as part of the same struggle are wrong. That was 5 games each against the Yankees and Jays, 3 against the Phillies, and 2 in Anaheim. They had a 2.5 G lead on the Rays after the first 2 of those 17 games and still had it at the end.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 11, 2021 23:05:07 GMT -5
So - with Richards joining Perez in the pen, and Houck starting tomorrow (and Sale's first start coming up) - we have a rotation of Eovaldi, ERod, Pivetta, Houck and Sale. I am liking that a LOT. (that's 5) the pen - Barnes, Ottavino, Taylor, Whitlock, Sawamura - then Richards, Perez, Rios and "the rest" - Robles, Davis, Valdez - with Brazier, Hernandez, and (yikes) Andriese working their way back from injuries. If we are carrying 14 pitchers right now, and this list a total of 19 - who are the 5 to say goodbye to? Andriese is easy, and Robles and David career with the team may be really short. The other two - Valdez? Rios? Or is it time to say goodbye to Perez and/or Richards? Some interesting decisions lie ahead. Nine candidates indeed for 4 spots in the pen, but Davis has an option left and is thus just holding a place for Darwinzon. So it's really 7 guys for 3 spots.
They really need Darwinzon to come back, and 1 other guy to step up, and both be trusted in high leverage, because Whitlock is probably going to piggyback on most of Houck's starts and will be unavailable more often.
Andriese and Robles actually have been very good as recently as earlier this year. Rios has the stuff, as does Brasier of course (who has an option left). The odds of one of those guys becoming trusted by mid-September are pretty good, but so are the odds of having guys demonstrate they're not worthy in a painful fashion.
Perez and Richards are perfectly good garbage-time pitchers and represent their starting pitching depth, so they'll bump Valdez to AAA. You could see them cutting one of them only if Seabold gets some good work in, and Andriese (who can go multiple innings) and one of the Robles / Rios / Brasier trio are rocking it to extent they need to be in MLB.
It's also more than likely that the odd men out will end up on the IL with a bilateral ego strain rather than be DFA'd. I believe Andriese can be kept on the IL forever, as his rehab extends past the end of the AAA season.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 11, 2021 23:21:54 GMT -5
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 11, 2021 23:33:25 GMT -5
Sox are the first team since 1977 and the second since 1961 to score 20+ runs without having 20 hits, and homering 0 or 1 times.
(BTW, my absence from this board during the road trip is not because they've been struggling. I had a minor medical treatment, for chronic dry eyes, on the day they split the doubleheader with the Blue Jays. It pretty much made things worse in the short term, during which they went 2-10 and I was distracted trying various coping strategies. Today is the best they've felt since. )
I'm going to wait until after tomorrow (I hope) before analyzing the 2-10 skid via WPA, which is really quick and simple.
Note that folks including the preceding 9-8 stretch as part of the same struggle are wrong. That was 5 games each against the Yankees and Jays, 3 against the Phillies, and 2 in Anaheim. They had a 2.5 G lead on the Rays after the first 2 of those 17 games and still had it at the end.
Fun fact: Phillips Valdez's grandpappy was the opposing pitcher in that game...
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