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8/10-8/12 Red Sox vs. Rays Thread
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 11, 2021 23:41:36 GMT -5
I wouldn't dismiss Richards or Andriese as part of the reconstructed, stretch run bullpen.
Andriese has a track record and it's quite possible that what landed him on the IL was part of what caused his early-season effectiveness to take a long leave of absence.
I believe that Richards could be a serviceable long man who could get through one turn of the order and eat 2-3 innings in the process. (Not as much confidence in Perez doing the same but maybe in shorter stints his stuff plays up.)
The way this pitching staff is currently constructed (whether intentionally or not), patching 2-3 inning stints from guys like Richards, Whitlock, Houck, Andriese, and maybe even Valdez (witness his yeoman's outing in relief of E-Rod's migraine) on top of 4-6 inning starts from Sale, E-Rod, Eovaldi, and Pivetta, which then get the game to Ottavino, Barnes, etc.
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Post by cdj on Aug 11, 2021 23:47:49 GMT -5
I wonder if the stuff might play up a little bit for Perez. He could be useful against lefties out of the pen
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Post by incandenza on Aug 12, 2021 0:29:13 GMT -5
Eovaldi currently tied for the AL fWAR lead with some guy named Cole. Also 3rd in all of baseball in FIP. Bargain. Eovaldi has had a good season, but I'm not quite buying the fWAR/FIP for him. His xERA, xFIP, and ERA are more in the 3.50-4.00 range which seems like a better reflection of his tendency to give up a little more contact than you'd expect. Marwin, eh? Does Verdugo *really* need to spend this much time with his newborn child? I mean, it's not like the kid's gonna remember... The best days of my life were watching my two sons being born!!! The babies do not remember, but the parents sure as hell do. Glad to see Verdugo spend the time with his wife and child, because that is what does matter!!!!!! This was a joke! But also I'm buying blizzard's theory that it's also a little extended break Verdugo, who surely needs it. It's nice that he can combine it with some quality time with the new family member, and it's also nice that it came on a day when the team scored 20 runs.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 12, 2021 8:22:42 GMT -5
Fantastic win last night. Pitching is still awful but at least the bats came alive. Good stuff.
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Post by cdj on Aug 12, 2021 8:25:24 GMT -5
Pitching wasn’t awful. Eovaldi and Rios were great. Valdez had a bad inning up 19. Nbd.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 12, 2021 8:35:29 GMT -5
Eovaldi was outstanding and they did not have to use any of their primary relievers last evening. Who cares if they only won by 12?
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 12, 2021 8:35:35 GMT -5
Pitching wasn’t awful. Eovaldi and Rios were great. Valdez had a bad inning up 19. Nbd. But we knew that Eovaldi is dependable he's not a concern. Valdez getting hit like a piñata in the 9th inning when the team doesn't have much of a bullpen is a concern. Good win though.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 12, 2021 9:22:23 GMT -5
Valdez, Lefty Davis getting optioned later this week. 20 days til roster of 28
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 12, 2021 9:30:02 GMT -5
Valdez, Lefty Davis getting optioned later this week. 20 days til roster of 28 Need Seabold up. Get some new blood on this staff. Run a rotation of Sale Eovaldi Erod Houck and Pivetta with Seabold being a long guy. DFA Richards into oblivion.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 12, 2021 9:57:41 GMT -5
I am gonna bet that there has never been a game where a team was up 20-1 and then gave up 7 runs in the last half inning. Baseball is amazing.
I am guaranteeing victory again tonight. 3 for 3 (last 3 wins). If you folks don't mind i am gonna keep doing it, because it is obvious that the guarantees are the reason we are winning.
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Post by cdj on Aug 12, 2021 10:05:04 GMT -5
Pitching wasn’t awful. Eovaldi and Rios were great. Valdez had a bad inning up 19. Nbd. But we knew that Eovaldi is dependable he's not a concern. Valdez getting hit like a piñata in the 9th inning when the team doesn't have much of a bullpen is a concern. Good win though. I’m not positive he’s even here in a couple weeks. That gave me zero concern, just frustration because I wanted the game over lol
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Post by patford on Aug 12, 2021 10:11:25 GMT -5
Valdez, Lefty Davis getting optioned later this week. 20 days til roster of 28 Need Seabold up. Get some new blood on this staff. Run a rotation of Sale Eovaldi Erod Houck and Pivetta with Seabold being a long guy. DFA Richards into oblivion. Richards might be effective in a bullpen role. His stuff isn't bad. Between him and Perez I'd rather take a chance on Richards.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 12, 2021 10:33:58 GMT -5
I know I'm a walking jinx, but as the most vocal member of the anti-Dalbec group, I have to say, Last 7 days: 6/14 no 2B, 1 3B, no HR 6 RBI 3 BB, 3 K that's .429/.556/.571/1.127 Last 15 days: .257/.381/.429/.810 9/35.... so maybe 15 days isn't a great use case when 6 of those came within the last 7.
VS Left: .286/.331/.516/.847 126 AB Unfortunately.... VS right: .175/.234/.316/.549 171 AB
MAYBE there's hope! If he becomes serviceable then this team has a higher chance to hang on and compete. His WAR has climbed all the way "up" to -1.0!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 12, 2021 10:35:06 GMT -5
Need Seabold up. Get some new blood on this staff. Run a rotation of Sale Eovaldi Erod Houck and Pivetta with Seabold being a long guy. DFA Richards into oblivion. Richards might be effective in a bullpen role. His stuff isn't bad. Between him and Perez I'd rather take a chance on Richards. Perez can throw strikes. Richards scares me in any sort of high-leverage role. Honestly, I'd rather see neither, but if I had to pick one to save the day in the 5th inning I'd rather Perez.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 12, 2021 10:36:52 GMT -5
Last thought, is it possible that by being up 20-1 the team told Valdez, "don't throw your primary pitch"? I don't know what his pitch selection was, but I could see the Red Sox treating the end of the game as an extension of Spring Training. Why would you have him go out there and not work on stuff? He gave up 7 runs and it was still a blow-out.
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Post by cdj on Aug 12, 2021 10:39:38 GMT -5
Richards might be effective in a bullpen role. His stuff isn't bad. Between him and Perez I'd rather take a chance on Richards. Perez can throw strikes. Richards scares me in any sort of high-leverage role. Honestly, I'd rather see neither, but if I had to pick one to save the day in the 5th inning I'd rather Perez. Depends on the matchup to me. Lefty heavy I agree, righty heavy I go with Richards Although I just checked and Richards has reverse splits, nvm
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Post by greenmonster on Aug 12, 2021 10:50:18 GMT -5
Need Seabold up. Get some new blood on this staff. Run a rotation of Sale Eovaldi Erod Houck and Pivetta with Seabold being a long guy. DFA Richards into oblivion. Richards might be effective in a bullpen role. His stuff isn't bad. Between him and Perez I'd rather take a chance on Richards. Doesn't Richards usually struggle in the first inning before settling in a little bit? If so, that doesn't sound like a good option for the bullpen
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Post by bosoxnation on Aug 12, 2021 10:51:10 GMT -5
Pretty sure it was 14-1 and we still didn’t trust Perez to finish off the game. Richards stats since he hasn’t been cheating should not allow him to own a spot on this roster. END OF STORY. Let’s keep this thread about the Rays-Sox and please stop going back to Richards and Perez. They haven’t pitched in this series and are some of the worst pitchers on the team and we keep bringing them up. Can we talk about anything positive from our 20 runs? It’s exhausting reading this thread to be honest.
Edit- I’ve created a thread where you guys can talk about Perez, Richards and Andriese all you want!
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Post by incandenza on Aug 12, 2021 10:56:48 GMT -5
I know I'm a walking jinx, but as the most vocal member of the anti-Dalbec group, I have to say, Last 7 days: 6/14 no 2B, 1 3B, no HR 6 RBI 3 BB, 3 K that's .429/.556/.571/1.127Last 15 days: .257/.381/.429/.810 9/35.... so maybe 15 days isn't a great use case when 6 of those came within the last 7. VS Left: .286/.331/.516/.847 126 AB Unfortunately.... VS right: .175/.234/.316/.549 171 AB MAYBE there's hope! If he becomes serviceable then this team has a higher chance to hang on and compete. His WAR has climbed all the way "up" to -1.0! Three of the times he got on base yesterday were a HBP by a position player pitcher, a little bloopy dinker, and a triple that had a .010 xBA. That's a lot of his OBP and all of his ISO in this batting line.
He is walking a little more, which is encouraging, and I still wouldn't be surprised by another hot streak. But the power is really AWOL still.
ADD: Not counting yesterday, he's hit .259/.333/.407 since 7/29, though it's goosed a bit by a .400 BABIP. Playable in a platoon role, at least, but not actually good.
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 12, 2021 11:00:33 GMT -5
I know I'm a walking jinx, but as the most vocal member of the anti-Dalbec group, I have to say, Last 7 days: 6/14 no 2B, 1 3B, no HR 6 RBI 3 BB, 3 K that's .429/.556/.571/1.127 Last 15 days: .257/.381/.429/.810 9/35.... so maybe 15 days isn't a great use case when 6 of those came within the last 7. VS Left: .286/.331/.516/.847 126 AB Unfortunately.... VS right: .175/.234/.316/.549 171 AB MAYBE there's hope! If he becomes serviceable then this team has a higher chance to hang on and compete. His WAR has climbed all the way "up" to -1.0! Thing is, every time he's been on the precipice of demotion he goes out and has a few games that make his numbers look ok, and then throws himself back into the pit of suckage.
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Post by bosoxnation on Aug 12, 2021 11:03:29 GMT -5
I know I'm a walking jinx, but as the most vocal member of the anti-Dalbec group, I have to say, Last 7 days: 6/14 no 2B, 1 3B, no HR 6 RBI 3 BB, 3 K that's .429/.556/.571/1.127 Last 15 days: .257/.381/.429/.810 9/35.... so maybe 15 days isn't a great use case when 6 of those came within the last 7. VS Left: .286/.331/.516/.847 126 AB Unfortunately.... VS right: .175/.234/.316/.549 171 AB MAYBE there's hope! If he becomes serviceable then this team has a higher chance to hang on and compete. His WAR has climbed all the way "up" to -1.0! Thing is, every time he's been on the precipice of demotion he goes out and has a few games that make his numbers look ok, and then throws himself back into the pit of suckage. That’s what rookies do, they have up and down seasons. We need to be patient with him. Last year Ohtani hit .190 with 50 strike outs in 150 AB. Good thing they weren’t calling for his head like you guys do!
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Post by manfred on Aug 12, 2021 11:16:34 GMT -5
Thing is, every time he's been on the precipice of demotion he goes out and has a few games that make his numbers look ok, and then throws himself back into the pit of suckage. That’s what rookies do, they have up and down seasons. We need to be patient with him. Last year Ohtani hit .190 with 50 strike outs in 150 AB. Good thing they weren’t calling for his head like you guys do! Not sure that comp holds up.
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Post by foreverred9 on Aug 12, 2021 11:27:30 GMT -5
Pitching wasn’t awful. Eovaldi and Rios were great. Valdez had a bad inning up 19. Nbd. But we knew that Eovaldi is dependable he's not a concern. Valdez getting hit like a piñata in the 9th inning when the team doesn't have much of a bullpen is a concern. Good win though. I'd disagree, Eovaldi's been struggling the past few games before tonight, a time when we really needed him to be that shutdown pitcher to put a stop to the streak. Both the Tampa and Toronto games he pitched were winnable games that he couldn't deliever in. So Eovaldi pitching great last night was exactly what we needed to see to gain some confidence that the team could turn it around for the final 6-7 weeks.
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Post by soxinsf on Aug 12, 2021 11:41:20 GMT -5
I know I'm a walking jinx, but as the most vocal member of the anti-Dalbec group, I have to say, Last 7 days: 6/14 no 2B, 1 3B, no HR 6 RBI 3 BB, 3 K that's .429/.556/.571/1.127Last 15 days: .257/.381/.429/.810 9/35.... so maybe 15 days isn't a great use case when 6 of those came within the last 7. VS Left: .286/.331/.516/.847 126 AB Unfortunately.... VS right: .175/.234/.316/.549 171 AB MAYBE there's hope! If he becomes serviceable then this team has a higher chance to hang on and compete. His WAR has climbed all the way "up" to -1.0! Three of the times he got on base yesterday were a HBP by a position player pitcher, a little bloopy dinker, and a triple that had a .010 xBA. That's a lot of his OBP and all of his ISO in this batting line.
He is walking a little more, which is encouraging, and I still wouldn't be surprised by another hot streak. But the power is really AWOL still.
Until the Sox have a better alternative, Bobby stays put because his hitting against lefties is good enough for a platoon player for Schwarber at 1st base. What, you would rather Marwin or Dantana?
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Post by incandenza on Aug 12, 2021 11:49:55 GMT -5
Three of the times he got on base yesterday were a HBP by a position player pitcher, a little bloopy dinker, and a triple that had a .010 xBA. That's a lot of his OBP and all of his ISO in this batting line.
He is walking a little more, which is encouraging, and I still wouldn't be surprised by another hot streak. But the power is really AWOL still.
Until the Sox have a better alternative, Bobby stays put because his hitting against lefties is good enough for a platoon player for Schwarber at 1st base. What, you would rather Marwin or Dantana? Well, no, which is why I didn't say I would rather play Marwin or Santana.
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