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8/10-8/12 Red Sox vs. Rays Thread
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Post by patford on Aug 12, 2021 12:17:55 GMT -5
Richards might be effective in a bullpen role. His stuff isn't bad. Between him and Perez I'd rather take a chance on Richards. Doesn't Richards usually struggle in the first inning before settling in a little bit? If so, that doesn't sound like a good option for the bullpen My impression (I've not looked) is the struggled early prior to the sticky stuff being taken away. Since then it seems like his control got better and he's been sort of decent for a couple or three innings before blowing up.
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Post by manfred on Aug 12, 2021 12:22:09 GMT -5
Doesn't Richards usually struggle in the first inning before settling in a little bit? If so, that doesn't sound like a good option for the bullpen My impression (I've not looked) is the struggled early prior to the sticky stuff being taken away. Since then it seems like his control got better and he's been sort of decent for a couple or three innings before blowing up. Richards kinda sucked with the sticky stuff. Without it, he really sucks. He was ok for a 5 game stretch in May, but even then he was putting way too many guys on base.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 12, 2021 12:28:32 GMT -5
But we knew that Eovaldi is dependable he's not a concern. Valdez getting hit like a piñata in the 9th inning when the team doesn't have much of a bullpen is a concern. Good win though. I'd disagree, Eovaldi's been struggling the past few games before tonight, a time when we really needed him to be that shutdown pitcher to put a stop to the streak. Both the Tampa and Toronto games he pitched were winnable games that he couldn't deliever in. So Eovaldi pitching great last night was exactly what we needed to see to gain some confidence that the team could turn it around for the final 6-7 weeks. Sure but can you really look at the guy and say hes a concern at all? Been very consistent and healthy all season unlike Erod and the others. I chalk that up to a rough patch.
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Post by bcsox on Aug 12, 2021 12:34:53 GMT -5
A few things. I was minorly irritated when I saw Evoladi still out there pumping fastballs at 99mph in the 7th inning up by two touchdowns. I thought to myself this team is screwed because Coara doesnt trust the bottom of the bullpen to get 9 outs when up by double digits. That was a brutal indictment on the end of the bullpen. I thought Cora was wrong. Then Exxon Valdez came in for the 9th, and I realized Cora was correct. I generally like Valdez and have advocated for him pitching more, and higher leverage innings, but two of my many pet peeves in baseball are:
1. Fringe pitchers who cant close out a huge lead when given the opportunity; and
2. Fringy middle infield types who are called upon to bunt, who look like it is the first time they have ever tried it.
Anyways, I was curious to see what Cora was going to do with my guy Bobby today. Franchy has looked very rough the last few games and Bobby got on base 5 times last night. I thought Cora might take a day off from the platoon even though a righty is starting and Bobby is really bad against righties. Cora stayed with it, and we get Franchy at first today. He is probably right in that Bobby's night was inflated by some tremendous luck last night. He ended up 2-3, but was a bees dick away from 0-3.
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Post by cdj on Aug 12, 2021 12:36:58 GMT -5
Hernandez 4 Duran 8 Bogaerts 6 Devers 5 Martinez DH Renfroe 9 Plawecki 2 Gonzalez 3 Cordero 7
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Post by art on Aug 12, 2021 12:54:14 GMT -5
Pitching wasn’t awful. Eovaldi and Rios were great. Valdez had a bad inning up 19. Nbd. I had a good chuckle last night when Valdez started filling the bases and Sean McDonough said something to the effect of "... but the tying run is in Holyoke." IMO Sean is a terrific broadcaster. It seems like he's doing this part-time job for the love of it rather than for money and his comments seem to be very unrestrained.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 12, 2021 13:24:10 GMT -5
Hernandez 4 Duran 8 Bogaerts 6 Devers 5 Martinez DH Renfroe 9 Plawecki 2 Gonzalez 3 Cordero 7 Please end the Marwin Gonzalez experiment.
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Post by cdj on Aug 12, 2021 13:33:04 GMT -5
Hernandez 4 Duran 8 Bogaerts 6 Devers 5 Martinez DH Renfroe 9 Plawecki 2 Gonzalez 3 Cordero 7 Please end the Marwin Gonzalez experiment. I’d rather see Ockimey in the lineup at 1B I think I like Santana more than him
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Post by fenwaymabe on Aug 12, 2021 14:03:37 GMT -5
I second that motion in regards to Gonzalez. I really don't like Santana, though. At some point, someone has to hit. I think at this stage of the season / their careers, they are what they are. Gonzalez hasn't been the same since he left Houston and save for 1 really good stretch in Texas (which as an outlier), Santana has shown us who he is. I love defensive versatility, but at some point, someone has to hit.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 12, 2021 14:12:29 GMT -5
Please end the Marwin Gonzalez experiment. I’d rather see Ockimey in the lineup at 1B I think I like Santana more than him Might as well. No real good options and he'll never get another chance at a look.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 12, 2021 14:21:05 GMT -5
Three of the times he got on base yesterday were a HBP by a position player pitcher, a little bloopy dinker, and a triple that had a .010 xBA. That's a lot of his OBP and all of his ISO in this batting line.
He is walking a little more, which is encouraging, and I still wouldn't be surprised by another hot streak. But the power is really AWOL still.
Until the Sox have a better alternative, Bobby stays put because his hitting against lefties is good enough for a platoon player for Schwarber at 1st base. What, you would rather Marwin or Dantana? His expected line against RHP is .286 / .295 / .537, for an xwOBA of .352. That's the 11th best figure among starting 1B. He's 11th in wOBA as well (.362). He has not just been a good platoon option at 1B, but a borderline legitimate first-division starter.
The guy he'll actually platoon with is not Schwarber, who will likely play LF against LHP. It'll be Verdugo, with Kiké in CF and Arroyo at 2B.
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This month he has an xBA of .221 vs. LHP, but is 6/13, 3B, including 6/8 on BIP. He's had 4 hard-hit balls, but two were easy groundouts and one was the fly ball that Arozarena WTF'd.
Last expected hard hit was a week ago, and that was 114.4 mph, LA 1 = xBA .580, and Candelerio turned into into an inning-ending out.
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Post by manfred on Aug 12, 2021 14:30:33 GMT -5
Until the Sox have a better alternative, Bobby stays put because his hitting against lefties is good enough for a platoon player for Schwarber at 1st base. What, you would rather Marwin or Dantana? His expected line against RHP is .286 / .295 / .537, for an xwOBA of .352. That's the 11th best figure among starting 1B. He's 11th in wOBA as well (.362). He has not just been a good platoon option at 1B, but a borderline legitimate first-division starter.
The guy he'll actually platoon with is not Schwarber, who will likely play LF against LHP. It'll be Verdugo, with Kiké in CF and Arroyo at 2B.
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This month he has an xBA of .221 vs. LHP, but is 6/13, 3B, including 6/8 on BIP. He's had 4 hard-hit balls, but two were easy groundouts and one was the fly ball that Arozarena WTF'd.
Last expected hard hit was a week ago, and that was 114.4 mph, LA 1 = xBA .580, and Candelerio turned into into an inning-ending out.
You can’t say his “expected” outcomes have been fine — and thus he has BEEN a good player. One of those things is a parallel universe stat, one is based on real results. You can say if things had broken as numbers suggest they should have, he’d have been good. At this point, you nay as well play Dalbec. Who else? But I am pretty ready to say he is not a good player.
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Post by soxinjersey on Aug 12, 2021 14:34:09 GMT -5
I am gonna bet that there has never been a game where a team was up 20-1 and then gave up 7 runs in the last half inning. Baseball is amazing. I am guaranteeing victory again tonight. 3 for 3 (last 3 wins). If you folks don't mind i am gonna keep doing it, because it is obvious that the guarantees are the reason we are winning. At the beginning of this thread, I predicted a victory Tuesday because teams that lose heartbreakers usually win their next games. I was feeling pretty good when Whitlock came in in the 7th with a two-run lead. -- I should have added that teams that lose heartbreakers have especially good records if they play the same team the next night. You have a better record with predictions than I do, but today's match-up presents another kind of distinctive game: what happens when the same two teams play the day after a blow-out? My memory says that the team that brings the big lumber the first night usually shows up the next day with broomsticks and scores one run on six hits, or something in that range. But, even though I'm not a fan of the announced line-up, I'm going with you. The Sox needed a laugher to get a huge weight off their shoulders, and I expect them to combine enthusiasm with a real sense of urgency and confidence today. Plus, if the Rays are planning for a bullpen day, what moves will Cora make during the game? This could be fun.
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Post by soxinsf on Aug 12, 2021 14:37:59 GMT -5
Until the Sox have a better alternative, Bobby stays put because his hitting against lefties is good enough for a platoon player for Schwarber at 1st base. What, you would rather Marwin or Dantana? His expected line against RHP is .286 / .295 / .537, for an xwOBA of .352. That's the 11th best figure among starting 1B. He's 11th in wOBA as well (.362). He has not just been a good platoon option at 1B, but a borderline legitimate first-division starter.
The guy he'll actually platoon with is not Schwarber, who will likely play LF against LHP. It'll be Verdugo, with Kiké in CF and Arroyo at 2B.
I think we are saying the same thing but from different perspectives. My sense is that Schwarber plays 1B against RHP and Bobby is a very good choice against LHP. So, in my language, he and Kyle S are platooning at first base.
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Post by soxinsf on Aug 12, 2021 14:48:52 GMT -5
His expected line against RHP is .286 / .295 / .537, for an xwOBA of .352. That's the 11th best figure among starting 1B. He's 11th in wOBA as well (.362). He has not just been a good platoon option at 1B, but a borderline legitimate first-division starter.
You can’t say his “expected” outcomes have been fine — and thus he has BEEN a good player. One of those things is a parallel universe stat, one is based on real results. You can say if things had broken as numbers suggest they should have, he’d have been good. At this point, you nay as well play Dalbec. Who else? But I am pretty ready to say he is not a good player. Manfred--I agree with you about expected versus real. All of the "expecteds" make fine reading and good debating points, but I like results and I suspect that you do too. That said, Bobby's real results against LHP this year are .286, .331, .561, .847. That line is good enough for Bobby to be a legitimate platoon RHH. And that is enough for him to rank way ahead of Marwin, Santana, Franchy, and even Arroyo as a first baseman against LHP on my team. But I am not in agreement with Eric about Bobby being an everyday player at this point.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 12, 2021 14:54:14 GMT -5
I am gonna bet that there has never been a game where a team was up 20-1 and then gave up 7 runs in the last half inning. Baseball is amazing. I am guaranteeing victory again tonight. 3 for 3 (last 3 wins). If you folks don't mind i am gonna keep doing it, because it is obvious that the guarantees are the reason we are winning. I'm with you brother!! Sox win tonight and you keep on bringing it!! Faith and optimism win the day, why not.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 12, 2021 15:07:27 GMT -5
To whom it may concern:
Todays' game is the free game of the day on MLB.
Sincerely;
Ray
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Post by nomar on Aug 12, 2021 15:11:23 GMT -5
Marwin and Franchy… what a treat
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Post by incandenza on Aug 12, 2021 15:12:48 GMT -5
I see Houck and Duran with their full-sleeve tattoos and I think: Guys, you're so young! You've made these aesthetic commitments before even turning 25 and now you've left no room to evolve over the rest of your lives. Save some limb space to add on as you gain wisdom and experience!
Full sleeves should never be complete before middle age, IMO.
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Post by cdj on Aug 12, 2021 15:13:06 GMT -5
Well that was a scary start to the game lol
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Post by cdj on Aug 12, 2021 15:16:32 GMT -5
Made Cruz look bad. Firmed that slider up for the K there instead of throwing a sweeper. It was almost more of a cutter
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Post by nomar on Aug 12, 2021 15:16:48 GMT -5
Lets go. Big Houck fan
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 12, 2021 15:17:01 GMT -5
and youth shall lead. Pretty inning
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Post by manfred on Aug 12, 2021 15:20:38 GMT -5
Every damn time I watch the Rays, I think “how are we behind these guys”?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 12, 2021 15:33:08 GMT -5
Pretty inning #2 for the kid.
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