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8/10-8/12 Red Sox vs. Rays Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 10, 2021 21:47:42 GMT -5
So apparently Barnes and JD were going at it after the game in the dugout. Talk about two big game failures having it out - pot, kettle. Cora has to somehow get control of this mess in a hurry - we can go into free fall very, very fast (we may already be there) What did you see?
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Post by nomar on Aug 10, 2021 21:48:34 GMT -5
Sox lose 10 games in 2 weeks and the Celtics sign Schroeder. It’s a cold day in hell. I don’t care if the Celtics deal was team friendly, it was out of desperation and they’ll still suck. And so do the Sox
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Post by dd on Aug 10, 2021 21:49:42 GMT -5
I was pretty shocked at how well they played for the first 100 or so games. I'm beyond shocked, stunned, at how badly they're playing now. This is epic. I guess it's "Go Rays" time. Anybody but the MFY.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 10, 2021 21:49:52 GMT -5
They draw walks. The sox don't. That's a big understated difference. The RS, along with the MFYs and the A's, led the OBP revolution. Patience at the plate was a big part of their identity for about 20 years. I was surprised last off-season that CB seemed to veer away from that. He placed greater emphasis on versatility. KKH, Marwin, Santana...they all play multiple positions. And hit .180. I understand the desire to put the ball in play, but if you're not striking out less, then all you're doing is requiring more hits to score a run than a team who walks and needs less hits to score
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 10, 2021 21:49:58 GMT -5
So apparently Barnes and JD were going at it after the game in the dugout. Talk about two big game failures having it out - pot, kettle. Cora has to somehow get control of this mess in a hurry - we can go into free fall very, very fast (we may already be there) What did you see? Castiglione and Fleming were discussing it on the radio - apparently things got hot, JD turned his back on Barnes, Barnes looked annoyed/frustrated or something like that - I didn't see it, just heard about it. Will listen to the WEEI Audacy feed after the game and see what else may turn up.
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Post by joemayosparty on Aug 10, 2021 21:51:18 GMT -5
What's the record for losses in consecutive games by a pitcher? If they keep such a statistic Barnes must be closing in on it.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 10, 2021 21:53:00 GMT -5
What's the record for losses in consecutive games by a pitcher? If they keep such a statistic Barnes must be closing in on it. Don't know, but he is in the running for causing disgust in Red Sox Nation. This would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. Our All Star. Our Closer. Bleeech!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 10, 2021 21:53:05 GMT -5
Castiglione and Fleming were discussing it on the radio - apparently things got hot, JD turned his back on Barnes, Barnes looked annoyed/frustrated or something like that - I didn't see it, just heard about it. Will listen to the WEEI Audacy feed after the game and see what else may turn up. Thanks. Please let me know. This team is a miserable mess. At this point I expect that TB, NYY, Toronto, and Oakland will all finish with better records. One of those other teams wont make the playoffs either. Hope the Yankees miss. Go Oakland and Toronto.
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Post by benzinger on Aug 10, 2021 21:54:33 GMT -5
In a parallel universe where the 2021 Red Sox played to their level in the first half they would have dealt Barnes at the deadline. Back home we are stuck with him until at least 2023. Let the good times roll. JDM, too. They could have gotten some nice prospects for him.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Aug 10, 2021 21:55:23 GMT -5
Castiglione and Fleming were discussing it on the radio - apparently things got hot, JD turned his back on Barnes, Barnes looked annoyed/frustrated or something like that - I didn't see it, just heard about it. Will listen to the WEEI Audacy feed after the game and see what else may turn up. If I was Barnes I wouldn't have been worried about fighting JD. JD hasn't been a good hitter for some time now.
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Post by benzinger on Aug 10, 2021 21:57:39 GMT -5
They're annoying as hell. But you have to give them credit for what they do year after year. FG has their payroll at $84.6M and the RS over the LT threshold at $210.5M. Yet, they're running away with the division again and smacking us around head to head. I truly hope CB can replicate the model and combine it with a mammoth payroll that is wisely spent. When does this team become Bloom’s? You hope he does stuff in the future, but when? Last year? Worst ever. This year? Thanks for Marwin, Franchy, Dalbec, Richards, etc. But pass for both because, you know, the owners. So… does next year count? You need to give him at least a few years. This year, for example, he was saddled with bad contracts to Pedroia and David Price and Chris Sale that he didn’t initiate. Maybe JDM, too. You need to see what he does with bigger contracts before you judge him.
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Post by benzinger on Aug 10, 2021 21:58:43 GMT -5
So apparently Barnes and JD were going at it after the game in the dugout. Talk about two big game failures having it out - pot, kettle. Cora has to somehow get control of this mess in a hurry - we can go into free fall very, very fast (we may already be there) 2-9 in their last 11 games? I’d say they are already there.
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Post by manfred on Aug 10, 2021 22:00:47 GMT -5
When does this team become Bloom’s? You hope he does stuff in the future, but when? Last year? Worst ever. This year? Thanks for Marwin, Franchy, Dalbec, Richards, etc. But pass for both because, you know, the owners. So… does next year count? You need to give him at least a few years. This year, for example, he was saddled with bad contracts to Pedroia and David Price and Chris Sale that he didn’t initiate. Maybe JDM, too. You need to see what he does with bigger contracts before you judge him. Huh. I wonder if the Mets’ GM will be able to point to Bobby Bonilla and say “wait til next decade”?
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 10, 2021 22:01:36 GMT -5
They're annoying as hell. But you have to give them credit for what they do year after year. FG has their payroll at $84.6M and the RS over the LT threshold at $210.5M. Yet, they're running away with the division again and smacking us around head to head. I truly hope CB can replicate the model and combine it with a mammoth payroll that is wisely spent. When does this team become Bloom’s? You hope he does stuff in the future, but when? Last year? Worst ever. This year? Thanks for Marwin, Franchy, Dalbec, Richards, etc. But pass for both because, you know, the owners. So… does next year count? The answer is: Not yet. Last year? Who cares? They played 60 games in front of zero fans. This year? For all the misery we feel right now - and I'm as frustrated as anyone - they're in the hunt in what we all knew was a bridge year. FG had them at 72.2 percent to make the PS at the start of the day. The reason some of us can't take you seriously, manfred, is that you don't offer well-thought-out arguments as to what he should have done differently. You're irrationally upset about one move the guy made and are determined to declare him a failure, no matter what. If you can't deal with player movement, then maybe following professional sports in this era isn't for you. Rosters have a lot of churn. Did he draft Dalbec? I thought it was D-Dom running baseball ops in 2016. Dalbec was a top 100 prospect on some lists at the start of the year. You're really blaming Chaim Bloom for seeing a potential low-cost productive player there and giving him a chance?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 10, 2021 22:02:51 GMT -5
Bloom is looking like a genius for not adding to this dumpster fire. Barnes is a mediocre pitcher without the goop, JD is old, Franchy/Dalbec are the two worst hitters I've ever seen, Duran isn't ready,, Perez is terrible, a good performance from Richards is 3 ER in 5 innings, they should have sold on empty bat Vazquez before the season, Verdugo is basically just a "guy". E-Rod is finally turning around his awful season, but only to see Eovaldi and Pivetta fall off.
At this rate, maybe they can still catch the Os? /sarcasm
The only people I care to see next year are: Xander, Devers, Sale, Whitlock, and maybe Renfroe, E-Rod, Kiké, Verdugo and Duran.
What a dumpster fire this team has become. Wouldn't even be surprised at .500 at this point.
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 10, 2021 22:03:11 GMT -5
The whole team is in a Massive flux. When we score we can’t pitch or field If we get the lead the bullpen implodes If we pitch we can’t score If we get behind we ( unlike earlier) seem to give away at bats
It’s not to late but things have to change and change fast. Hopefully Sale’s return sparks something. It’s so frustrating.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 10, 2021 22:06:23 GMT -5
When does this team become Bloom’s? You hope he does stuff in the future, but when? Last year? Worst ever. This year? Thanks for Marwin, Franchy, Dalbec, Richards, etc. But pass for both because, you know, the owners. So… does next year count? You need to give him at least a few years. This year, for example, he was saddled with bad contracts to Pedroia and David Price and Chris Sale that he didn’t initiate. Maybe JDM, too. You need to see what he does with bigger contracts before you judge him. Fair point. I feel that the team he is truly trying to build wont be there until around 2024. They'll be from out of those preexisting contracts. They'll have a good young infield with Casas, Yorke, Mayer, and either Devers or X. Maybe Blaze is on the horizon at that point. The outfield is murky. Maybe one of thei CFs, whether it's Jimenez or Bleis or whoever emerges. Maybe they finally have young viable pitching with Houck, Whitlock, Seabold, Bello, Mata, Song, and Groome. Maybe Wikelman is toward the upper levels by then. The point is they have some young talent that can be major league average and cheap, allowing them to spend dollars on impact free agents to fill the holes. I'm not saying all those pitchers make it. Im just saying they'll have more pitching options from the farm than they have had in awhile. That's what I think he's trying to build toward.
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Post by bosoxnation on Aug 10, 2021 22:06:24 GMT -5
watching this team is like going to the dentist
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 10, 2021 22:06:53 GMT -5
So apparently Barnes and JD were going at it after the game in the dugout. Talk about two big game failures having it out - pot, kettle. Cora has to somehow get control of this mess in a hurry - we can go into free fall very, very fast (we may already be there) 2-9 in their last 11 games? I’d say they are already there. 2-10 now.
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Post by benzinger on Aug 10, 2021 22:07:23 GMT -5
You need to give him at least a few years. This year, for example, he was saddled with bad contracts to Pedroia and David Price and Chris Sale that he didn’t initiate. Maybe JDM, too. You need to see what he does with bigger contracts before you judge him. Huh. I wonder if the Mets’ GM will be able to point to Bobby Bonilla and say “wait til next decade”? That’s a good line, but what are the Mets paying Bonilla? $1M? What are the Sox paying Price, Pedroia & Sale this year? $65m? I won’t even count JDM....
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Post by benzinger on Aug 10, 2021 22:09:31 GMT -5
The whole team is in a Massive flux. When we score we can’t pitch or field If we get the lead the bullpen implodes If we pitch we can’t score If we get behind we ( unlike earlier) seem to give away at bats It’s not to late but things have to change and change fast. Hopefully Sale’s return sparks something. It’s so frustrating. Sale is back...just in time to shut him down for Spring Training. Hooray.
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Post by benzinger on Aug 10, 2021 22:10:28 GMT -5
2-9 in their last 11 games? I’d say they are already there. 2-10 now. <<Insert vomiting sounds>>
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 10, 2021 22:12:34 GMT -5
They're annoying as hell. But you have to give them credit for what they do year after year. FG has their payroll at $84.6M and the RS over the LT threshold at $210.5M. Yet, they're running away with the division again and smacking us around head to head. I truly hope CB can replicate the model and combine it with a mammoth payroll that is wisely spent. When does this team become Bloom’s? You hope he does stuff in the future, but when? Last year? Worst ever. This year? Thanks for Marwin, Franchy, Dalbec, Richards, etc. But pass for both because, you know, the owners. So… does next year count? I mean you just picked out the worst players on the team, we could do that with every GM for pretty much every team ever and it wouldn't look good. And besides that, this team might be cold, but they're still in strong playoff position, so what would be the problem with counting this year? By any normal standard this is a fantastic rebound from last season.
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Post by manfred on Aug 10, 2021 22:13:42 GMT -5
Bloom is looking like a genius for not adding to this dumpster fire. Barnes is a mediocre pitcher without the goop, JD is old, Franchy/Dalbec are the two worst hitters I've ever seen, Duran isn't ready,, Perez is terrible, a good performance from Richards is 3 ER in 5 innings, they should have sold on empty bat Vazquez before the season, Verdugo is basically just a "guy". E-Rod is finally turning around his awful season, but only to see Eovaldi and Pivetta fall off. At this rate, maybe they can still catch the Os? /sarcasm The only people I care to see next year are: Xander, Devers, Sale, Whitlock, and maybe Renfroe, E-Rod, Kiké, Verdugo and Duran. What a dumpster fire this team has become. Wouldn't even be surprised at .500 at this point. Wait…. You just listed a bunch of his moves to show he is a genius for not adding more!
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 10, 2021 22:26:18 GMT -5
How...just how.... did this team have winning streaks of 9 and 8 games?
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