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8/17-8/18 Red Sox @ Yankees Thread
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Post by greatscottcooper on Aug 18, 2021 13:35:26 GMT -5
another way of looking at things is to conduct a thought experiment as to how good the Sox would be right now if they picked up let's say, Anthony Rizzo and Jose Berrios.
They weren't scoring any runs, Rizzo wasn't going to close that gap, maybe you pick up one game with him. The starting pitching has been decent the last time through the rotation, do you win another game with Berrios on the mound when your offense is putting up0-3 runs? Probably not, maybe you steal a win before then.
If anything, the way this team has played lately strengthens the argument of not giving up capital now. They added Schwarber and Sale. An Ace and a very good bat for a very small price and now EROD is looking dominant again too. In a sense, the big moves the Sox did make (stretching the definition by including Sale in there) have worked out fine it's the rest of the team disappearing that has led to their poor performance.
And.....call me crazy here......there's still plenty of time to turn it around.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 18, 2021 13:40:11 GMT -5
Although yesterday wasn't an easy outcome to take, as Tears pointed out, we are still 10-5 against the MFY this year. The problem hasn't been our direct matchups. Some of this stuff evens out over the course of the season.
I also think the MFY got extremely lucky to win both games yesterday. They weren't blowouts and Gil honestly looked lost. Not sure I ever saw an outing less deserving of a win.
There has been nothing I have seen between the teams that says they are a prohibitively better team. I know they have some injuries and such, but that is baseball. Given the streak they are on, maybe the other guys coming back will screw it up.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 18, 2021 13:41:11 GMT -5
Ownership gave up on this team at the deadline instead of addressing the glaring pitching issues and the Sox have responded in kind. The Yankees invested in their team at the deadline and they have responded accordingly. Rays bought at the deadline and Cruz has been pretty damn solid for them in the power department. Sucks but was expected. Hopefully they make some moves in the offseason, move Nate for prospects and spend. Given the price of what was paid you can't really blame Boston for staying still. The Blue Jays lost two top prospects, the Yankees lost 6-7 of their top 30 prospects, and the Rays gave up two prospects, one of which being comparable to Aldo Ramirez and one being rated higher. It's not that they were necessarily bad trades, (though some of the acquisitions aren't performing well to date), but that's a lot to give up for an outside chance at making the playoffs which comes with an outside chance to win the World Series. Regardless of who wins, and it's just as likely to not be a team from our division at all, the Red Sox are out a lot less than most of the other teams. For such a crapshoot I am happy that they didn't give up a top 5 prospect, especially for a rental or a reliever. Could have easily beat the Phillies for Kennedy and Gibson. Easily. Howard is nothing special.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Aug 18, 2021 13:44:42 GMT -5
The players that the Yankees gave up are, prior to the trade deadline, and subject to update post-draft, the 7th, 8th, 18th, and 25th prospects in the Rangers system, 8th and 11th in the Cubs system, and 21st in the Rangers system. Half of them appear to be rated higher than Aldo Ramirez single handedly. They also had 3 picks in the 2020 draft and didn't have a great 2021 draft in my opinion.
The Rays prospects are 8th and 14th in the Twins system. A deep system whose 2nd and 3rd prospects came from the Blue Jays.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Aug 18, 2021 13:47:47 GMT -5
Could have easily beat the Phillies for Kennedy and Gibson. Easily. Howard is nothing special. Like many acquisitions they don't seem to have great numbers thus far either.
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Post by cdj on Aug 18, 2021 13:50:30 GMT -5
sick more trade deadline talk, this isn’t absolutely insufferable at all
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Post by greatscottcooper on Aug 18, 2021 13:51:49 GMT -5
Given the price of what was paid you can't really blame Boston for staying still. The Blue Jays lost two top prospects, the Yankees lost 6-7 of their top 30 prospects, and the Rays gave up two prospects, one of which being comparable to Aldo Ramirez and one being rated higher. It's not that they were necessarily bad trades, (though some of the acquisitions aren't performing well to date), but that's a lot to give up for an outside chance at making the playoffs which comes with an outside chance to win the World Series. Regardless of who wins, and it's just as likely to not be a team from our division at all, the Red Sox are out a lot less than most of the other teams. For such a crapshoot I am happy that they didn't give up a top 5 prospect, especially for a rental or a reliever. Could have easily beat the Phillies for Kennedy and Gibson. Easily. Howard is nothing special. I'm not really sure how Gibson helps you, literally all of Erod, Pivetta, Eovaldi, and Richards have pitched better than Gibson post all star break. If anyone is regressing back to mean quicker than those 5 guys it's Gibson. I'll give you Kennedy, who could be helpful down the stretch, but he's been garbage in 1/2 his outings since being traded. As well as the pitching has been lately, Sale back, Erod back to form, the depth Houck provides and a deeper pen with our starters moved there gives me confidence in our pen going down the stretch. I don't think Kennedy/Gibson gives you one extra win at this point.
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Post by manfred on Aug 18, 2021 14:13:37 GMT -5
Win today and a lot of the pain goes away.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 18, 2021 14:49:06 GMT -5
Win today and a lot of the pain goes away. Not a single drop. It just gets worse if they lose.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 18, 2021 14:51:19 GMT -5
Win today and a lot of the pain goes away. Eh. It stops the bleeding, but the pain remains. The only series they've won since the deadline is against the lowly Orioles. They need to start winning series before people will start feeling better. Massive squander on keeping the Yankees in the rear view mirror. It's a tight race that feels like the Red Sox are 12 out.
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Post by cdj on Aug 18, 2021 14:58:42 GMT -5
Hernandez 4 Renfroe 8 Bogaerts 6 Devers 5 Martinez 9 Plawecki DH Verdugo 7 Dalbec 3 Vazquez 2
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 18, 2021 15:28:10 GMT -5
Win today and a lot of the pain goes away. Given how easily they blew a 10.5 game lead, leading by 1 game doesn't bring that much comfort. And of on the flip side, getting swept and falling 1 game behind is even worse. I had hoped that their vacation against the Orioles would come in handy against the Yankees. Instead they look as messed up as they did prior to their vacation. Even a win today, if they can pull that off, doesn't do much. If they want the pain to go away, go out and win this game and then win 24 of the remaining 39 games and give us a feeling of a team that has gotten its stuff together and can be a serious threat in the post-season.
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Post by worldbfree on Aug 18, 2021 16:50:38 GMT -5
Win today and a lot of the pain goes away. Given how easily they blew a 10.5 game lead, leading by 1 game doesn't bring that much comfort. And of on the flip side, getting swept and falling 1 game behind is even worse. I had hoped that their vacation against the Orioles would come in handy against the Yankees. Instead they look as messed up as they did prior to their vacation. Even a win today, if they can pull that off, doesn't do much. If they want the pain to go away, go out and win this game and then win 24 of the remaining 39 games and give us a feeling of a team that has gotten its stuff together and can be a serious threat in the post-season. I doubt you see any long winning streak with the bullpen performing like it is currently. The magic dust has worn off.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 18, 2021 17:07:31 GMT -5
This is the 2nd largest lead the Red Sox have ever blown to the Yankees, and again, they did it in less than a month.
Edit, sorry 10.5 on July 6th so a little over a month.
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 18, 2021 17:23:57 GMT -5
Given how easily they blew a 10.5 game lead, leading by 1 game doesn't bring that much comfort. And of on the flip side, getting swept and falling 1 game behind is even worse. I had hoped that their vacation against the Orioles would come in handy against the Yankees. Instead they look as messed up as they did prior to their vacation. Even a win today, if they can pull that off, doesn't do much. If they want the pain to go away, go out and win this game and then win 24 of the remaining 39 games and give us a feeling of a team that has gotten its stuff together and can be a serious threat in the post-season. I doubt you see any long winning streak with the bullpen performing like it is currently. The magic dust has worn off. Regarding our pen, it was a fools gambit to expect Barnes to continue his first half dominance, he's always faltered the second half of the year his entire career. That trickles down to everywhere in the pen. Was hoping Sawamura showed more, he hasn't so we're in the pinch there. The Sox managed the rotation conservatively all year and now it's coming back to bite them. Games they won when the SP gave them five are now almost automatic losses. Sure, everyone is healthy, but the pen is gassed big time.
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Post by soxin8 on Aug 18, 2021 17:26:09 GMT -5
This is the 2nd largest lead the Red Sox have ever blown to the Yankees, and again, they did it in less than a month. Edit, sorry 10.5 on July 6th so a little over a month. There was another similar to 78. I think it was 2007 if someone wants to check, but the outcome was better.
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Post by patford on Aug 18, 2021 17:59:54 GMT -5
This years Sox never struck me as a .500 team. My hope was the team would be in a position to sell at the deadline. When they were winning it never seemed sustainable as none of the starters and none of the hitters were having unusually good years and quite a few were very disappointing. They weren't winning because anyone was performing at an unsustainable pace they were just somehow winning in spite of no one on the team leading the way. With none of the starters making it past five inning on a near nightly basis it was inevitable the bullpen would wilt. To me the team has seemed mentally exhausted since before the AS break. A big part of that is almost every game when they were winning was a tooth and nail fight to the death. Imagine a job where every day without fail it was hard and to get through it you had to try as hard as possible. Never a breezy day. The job is hard to begin with and then some piece of equipment fails or is barely working and it's an added struggle. One thing on top of another with the pressure always building. At some point exhaustion sets in and when a team isn't that good to begin with things get bad in a hurry.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 18, 2021 18:03:20 GMT -5
Not gonna lie....would love to see an inspirational win tonight.
Nvm it is on ESPN
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Post by kjkramer on Aug 18, 2021 18:08:26 GMT -5
We lose today and we truly are in a free fall.... win and maybe we can right the ship
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 18, 2021 18:10:56 GMT -5
This is the 2nd largest lead the Red Sox have ever blown to the Yankees, and again, they did it in less than a month. Edit, sorry 10.5 on July 6th so a little over a month. There was another similar to 78. I think it was 2007 if someone wants to check, but the outcome was better. You are correct. They had a 14 game lead over NY who whittled it down to a 1.5 game deficit in the last week but with the Wild Card assured Joe Torre rested his regulars that final week. It made sense but didn't work. The Yankees fell 2 games short and instead of meeting the Sox in the ALCS, the midges got Joba Chamberlain and the Yankees and they fell to Cleveland.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 18, 2021 18:14:33 GMT -5
'78 was a heartbreaker. I was in 7th grade and it crushed me. Only 2004 rid me of that pain.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 18, 2021 18:15:49 GMT -5
All three RHB went for the short porch.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 18, 2021 18:17:30 GMT -5
Xander....My hero !!!
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Post by cdj on Aug 18, 2021 18:21:47 GMT -5
This stadium is such a clown box
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 18, 2021 18:24:26 GMT -5
More MFY fellatio on tap from the announcers tonight
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