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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 23, 2021 11:06:04 GMT -5
It's really hard to carry him while he's figuring things out at the plate if his defense is awful. Strike outs and lack of walks are a serious concern. 36.4% strike out to 2.3% walk rate. He's also 24. It's not 26, but he's not "young" either. He has some, but limited time, to figure it all out. I'm not ready to write him off, but he'd probably be best served coming off the bench where they can utilize his speed. For next year, I think he should get a legit crack at CF. The heat of the pennant race is not the time for a rookie to try to figure things out. Next season, he should get that time to figure things out in Boston. When it's early you can struggle like a Dustin Pedroia did and work on things. The power is there. The speed certainly is. Experience will be a big help as far as defense goes and learning to lay off the high fastball, if he can. I think he ought to be given a chance to do that. But next season makes more sense at this point given his struggles. I think if the Sox make the playoffs he should definitely be one of the 26 players on the roster. Depends on if you're ready to write off this season. If you are, I'm OK with experimenting a bit and riding guys. Let Arauz play every day. Not sure we're there yet, but it's getting harder and harder to not make the case of riding out guys in seeing how they might help in 2022. Perhaps Duran is able to make an adjustment in September that carries over into the following year. Tied with Oakland for WC2, the Yankees apparently made some unholy deal at the deadline in addition to Rizzo and Gallo and the Red Sox are too far out from the Rays at this point. They also have Seattle and Toronto nipping at their heels, but not in real danger territory with either as of yet. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 23, 2021 11:23:09 GMT -5
I'm not ready to write him off, but he'd probably be best served coming off the bench where they can utilize his speed. For next year, I think he should get a legit crack at CF. The heat of the pennant race is not the time for a rookie to try to figure things out. Next season, he should get that time to figure things out in Boston. When it's early you can struggle like a Dustin Pedroia did and work on things. The power is there. The speed certainly is. Experience will be a big help as far as defense goes and learning to lay off the high fastball, if he can. I think he ought to be given a chance to do that. But next season makes more sense at this point given his struggles. I think if the Sox make the playoffs he should definitely be one of the 26 players on the roster. Depends on if you're ready to write off this season. If you are, I'm OK with experimenting a bit and riding guys. Let Arauz play every day. Not sure we're there yet, but it's getting harder and harder to not make the case of riding out guys in seeing how they might help in 2022. Perhaps Duran is able to make an adjustment in September that carries over into the following year. Tied with Oakland for WC2, the Yankees apparently made some unholy deal at the deadline in addition to Rizzo and Gallo and the Red Sox are too far out from the Rays at this point. They also have Seattle and Toronto nipping at their heels, but not in real danger territory with either as of yet. Writing off the season would be stupid. They are tied for the 2nd wild card position and if they can get their heads out of their sphincter often enough they have enough of a soft schedule they can win some games. You act like they're 20 games out of a playoff spot. At this point the division is not likely. They're making it that catching the Yankees will be tough, but 2.5 games behind is hardly insurmountable at this point of the season so they do have a reasonable shot at grabbing the first wild card spot and hosting the wild card game. But they have a much better crack at being at Yankees Stadium for the wild card game. Writing them off is silly. I don't consider it silly to think they can miss the playoffs altogether at this point, but to write them off like it cannot happen is ridiculous. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 23, 2021 11:49:50 GMT -5
Depends on if you're ready to write off this season. If you are, I'm OK with experimenting a bit and riding guys. Let Arauz play every day. Not sure we're there yet, but it's getting harder and harder to not make the case of riding out guys in seeing how they might help in 2022. Perhaps Duran is able to make an adjustment in September that carries over into the following year. Tied with Oakland for WC2, the Yankees apparently made some unholy deal at the deadline in addition to Rizzo and Gallo and the Red Sox are too far out from the Rays at this point. They also have Seattle and Toronto nipping at their heels, but not in real danger territory with either as of yet. Writing off the season would be stupid. They are tied for the 2nd wild card position and if they can get their heads out of their sphincter often enough they have enough of a soft schedule they can win some games. You act like they're 20 games out of a playoff spot. At this point the division is not likely. They're making it that catching the Yankees will be tough, but 2.5 games behind is hardly insurmountable at this point of the season so they do have a reasonable shot at grabbing the first wild card spot and hosting the wild card game. But they have a much better crack at being at Yankees Stadium for the wild card game. Writing them off is silly. I don't consider it silly to think they can miss the playoffs altogether at this point, but to write them off like it cannot happen is ridiculous. No, I'm not ready to write off the season. It's embarrassing how bad they've become but I'm hoping last night was the bottom. I would like to see how they respond today. 2.5 is not crazy by any stretch. It just seems like the Yankees, for whatever reason, have been practicing some sort of dark sorcery with how much they've been winning. They can easily fall back on old habits in September. I'm probably giving up if they're still not winning series and just looking awful by the start of September. Even then, it's not giving up. It's just giving more chances to Duran and experimenting a little more. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 23, 2021 12:11:03 GMT -5
Writing off the season would be stupid. They are tied for the 2nd wild card position and if they can get their heads out of their sphincter often enough they have enough of a soft schedule they can win some games. You act like they're 20 games out of a playoff spot. At this point the division is not likely. They're making it that catching the Yankees will be tough, but 2.5 games behind is hardly insurmountable at this point of the season so they do have a reasonable shot at grabbing the first wild card spot and hosting the wild card game. But they have a much better crack at being at Yankees Stadium for the wild card game. Writing them off is silly. I don't consider it silly to think they can miss the playoffs altogether at this point, but to write them off like it cannot happen is ridiculous. No, I'm not ready to write off the season. It's embarrassing how bad they've become but I'm hoping last night was the bottom. I would like to see how they respond today. 2.5 is not crazy by any stretch. It just seems like the Yankees, for whatever reason, have been practicing some sort of dark sorcery with how much they've been winning. They can easily fall back on old habits in September. I'm probably giving up if they're still not winning series and just looking awful by the start of September. Even then, it's not giving up. It's just giving more chances to Duran and experimenting a little more. The sample size won't be big enough. I don't see the Sox being 7 games out of the 2nd wild card spot. They'll be within 5 games, most likely a lot less than 5 games going into the final week. They won't be playing out the string, if they do, until probably the final few days. You won't find out much about Duran then. 2022 is the time to really find out about Duran. You're not going to see some major league growth spurt in the next month or those last few days. It'll be next year where he sinks or swims. |
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Post by patford on Aug 23, 2021 12:12:53 GMT -5
I'm confident Duran is not a good CF and never will be better than well below average. He should be moved to LF or better yet back to 2B. The reason not to send Duran down comes down to whether or not management still thinks the team can win a WS. If the thinking is this team can not possibly win it all then the focus should be on seeing if Dalbec and Duran can show improvement at the plate and if Duran can play 2B. That seems wildly premature. I’ve seen Duran look a bit shaky on some reads, but I would never say he can’t be at least average. With his speed, even if he makes imperfect reads, he can make up for them. It seems way too early to give up on him in CF. I am. |
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Post by cdj on Aug 23, 2021 12:17:17 GMT -5
Much too soon to write Duran off as a CF forever.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 23, 2021 12:19:46 GMT -5
Nice to have Arroyo back. Can't see a fit for Santana on the team when his rehab finishes. Darwinzon and Brasier on the horizon??? And when that happens, who goes? Robles? Davis?
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Aug 23, 2021 12:26:42 GMT -5
Is it me or does it seem like Eck really calls out the fat pitches our hitters are missing now more than before?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 23, 2021 12:28:24 GMT -5
Is it me or does it seem like Eck really calls out the fat pitches our hitters are missing now more than before? He should be. We all notice it, and it's annoying to watch. |
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Post by cdj on Aug 23, 2021 12:40:30 GMT -5
Hopefully that gets Raffy going
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Post by vokuhila on Aug 23, 2021 12:44:23 GMT -5
Thank you Mr Verdugo
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Post by soxfaninnj on Aug 23, 2021 12:44:40 GMT -5
I enjoy listening to Eck’s take on the English language it’s a thing of beauty.
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Post by cdj on Aug 23, 2021 12:44:43 GMT -5
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 23, 2021 12:44:57 GMT -5
Oh, what a relief that was, Alex. Pretty swing, great home run....let's keep the train going here.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 23, 2021 12:46:21 GMT -5
I enjoy listening to Eck’s take on the English language it’s a thing of beauty. He's the complete opposite of Hawk Harrelson's homer dribble noise during his years doing White Sox games. LOVE the Eck. (yes, it's a beautiful thing!) |
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Post by Guidas on Aug 23, 2021 12:47:16 GMT -5
Verdugo signs in.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Aug 23, 2021 12:47:30 GMT -5
Nice to hear - Yorke to High-A Greenville
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 23, 2021 12:48:25 GMT -5
No, I'm not ready to write off the season. It's embarrassing how bad they've become but I'm hoping last night was the bottom. I would like to see how they respond today. 2.5 is not crazy by any stretch. It just seems like the Yankees, for whatever reason, have been practicing some sort of dark sorcery with how much they've been winning. They can easily fall back on old habits in September. I'm probably giving up if they're still not winning series and just looking awful by the start of September. Even then, it's not giving up. It's just giving more chances to Duran and experimenting a little more. The sample size won't be big enough. I don't see the Sox being 7 games out of the 2nd wild card spot. They'll be within 5 games, most likely a lot less than 5 games going into the final week. They won't be playing out the string, if they do, until probably the final few days. You won't find out much about Duran then. 2022 is the time to really find out about Duran. You're not going to see some major league growth spurt in the next month or those last few days. It'll be next year where he sinks or swims. True, but the only thing I want to see out of Duran is an improved k-rate and increased walk rate. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 23, 2021 12:49:38 GMT -5
too warm and muggy to mow the lawn (will wait until the sun starts to go down), so having this game is a bonus. While I watch this, I've got a tab open on my laptop on All Music, looking through the zillions of music Neil Young has released. Wow - so prolific. And so erratic/uneven!
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Post by cdj on Aug 23, 2021 12:51:31 GMT -5
Texas is good at hitting Texas leaguers. The bloop kings
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Post by vokuhila on Aug 23, 2021 12:53:03 GMT -5
That's a nice snag!!!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 23, 2021 12:54:45 GMT -5
I am not a big believer in luck (well, luck happens, but over a season it evens out) - BUT we had both types of luck that inning - weak contact/blooper,a and laser right into the glove for the DP.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 23, 2021 13:07:31 GMT -5
When Nate is pitching like this - total command of his full arsenal - it is a wonder he gets scored on at all. He really is a complete pitcher, and a joy to watch when he is on.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Aug 23, 2021 13:12:46 GMT -5
How many just misses do the Sox have this game
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 23, 2021 13:23:58 GMT -5
THAT just drives us all crazy. Come on Raffi.
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