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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 24, 2021 14:02:27 GMT -5
If I'm Kumah and I play somewhere, I play in Mexico. Lots of great options, in terms of weather and what to do on your off days, and only a 2-4 hour flight home. That's if it's only a year and then return to the draft. Japan might make sense if he wants to sign a deal like Stewart's through age 25.
But isn't Japanese baseball famous for crazy/abusive training for pitchers? Not sure that's a great spot for a young starting pitcher with a questioned arm. (Or maybe those training practices work and it's the perfect place!)
Of course, I know someone is going to say "according to this rule, he can't play in Mexico..." but I don't know what that is yet...
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Post by incandenza on Aug 24, 2021 14:02:33 GMT -5
You'd think at least a few of them would prefer to spend their early 20s in Tokyo rather than places like Salem and Greenville.
Then again, most baseball players seem to think there is no more divine place on earth than central Florida, so who knows.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 24, 2021 14:08:19 GMT -5
Why don't more players do this?
OPTION A: Go live in Japan as a celebrity for a few years, make a couple million dollars, enter MLB free agency at age 25. OPTION B: Ride buses and eat peanut butter sandwiches in the minor leagues for several years, don't hit free agency until you're like 29.
In Rocker's case, he doesn't "need" the money as much, since his father was a successful American football player (so no PB&J for him). But still, early FA and perhaps more opportunities for endorsement deals in the foreign land (I can just see Kumah in a suit holding a giant bottle of R-1 drink and LG-21 soup) would probably be more enticing than low-minors bus rides. Good hedge against career-ending injury as well, as you get more money up front.
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Post by manfred on Aug 24, 2021 14:08:53 GMT -5
You'd think at least a few of them would prefer to spend their early 20s in Tokyo rather than places like Salem and Greenville. Then again, most baseball players seem to think there is no more divine place on earth than central Florida, so who knows. I can imagine the culture shock for a kid 18-21 of living in Tokyo might be too much. And Tokyo if you are lucky! I have no idea what a place like Fukuoka is like. |
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Post by jmei on Aug 24, 2021 15:15:30 GMT -5
How does it work, everyone that never signs in the draft is eligible to become a free agent when they're 25? Here's the analysis from the Jeff Passan article ( link) linked in the article that I posted above: Rocker's a bit older than Stewart, so he won't accrue six seasons of service in Japan until after 2027 season, at which point he'd be age 28, but that still allows him to reach free agency a lot faster than if he did the traditional "draft/minors/six years of MLB service time" route. Some cons to this approach: (1) foreign professional eligibility depends on residency rules that are not cut and dry, and this whole regime is subject to change (wouldn't be surprised if it was revisited in the next CBA), (2) you have to be good enough for a Japanese team to offer you a big signing bonus (Stewart was, and Rocker probably is, but most draftees won't be (for instance, I doubt Fabian can get a multi-million dollar bonus from an NPB team)), (3) you have to commit to spending six+ years in Japan, which, as others have mentioned, is a big culture shock. I believe a similar dynamic also applies to the Mexican and Korean leagues, though the money available is lower and quality of play is worse in those leagues compared to NPB (probably considerably so), which I would think makes them less desirable routes.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 24, 2021 15:55:54 GMT -5
The posting fee is a lot of vig to pay on the back end.
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Post by ramireja on Aug 24, 2021 17:40:48 GMT -5
Interesting arm below who won't have a ton of opportunity to move up draft boards pitching in the NAIA
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Post by foreverred9 on Aug 24, 2021 17:57:08 GMT -5
I don't think we'll reach 149 pages for next year's draft, but we definitely won't if we don't get started on this right away.  . 2 days in and we're at 2 pages, at that pace we're crossing 200... |
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Post by bosoxnation on Aug 27, 2021 1:11:12 GMT -5
I’ll take Andruw Jones’ son.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 28, 2021 14:43:06 GMT -5
I don't think we'll reach 149 pages for next year's draft, but we definitely won't if we don't get started on this right away. . 2 days in and we're at 2 pages, at that pace we're crossing 200... |
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Post by ramireja on Sept 2, 2021 15:57:22 GMT -5
MLB Pipeline's top high school prospects for '22 Draft courtesy of Jonathan Mayo: 1. Termarr Johnson - SS 2. Elijah Green - OF 3. Dylan Lesko - RHP 4. Druw Jones - OF 5. Brock Porter - RHP 6. Tristan Smith - LHP 7. Brandon Barreira - LHP 8. Jackson Ferris - LHP 9. Ian Ritchie Jr. - RHP 10. Andrew Dutkanych IV - RHP 11-20 plus honorable mentions included in link above.
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Post by jaffinator on Sept 2, 2021 18:01:23 GMT -5
MLB Pipeline's top high school prospects for '22 Draft courtesy of Jonathan Mayo: 1. Termarr Johnson - SS 2. Elijah Green - OF 3. Dylan Lesko - RHP 4. Druw Jones - OF 5. Brock Porter - RHP 6. Tristan Smith - LHP 7. Brandon Barreira - LHP 8. Jackson Ferris - LHP 9. Ian Ritchie Jr. - RHP 10. Andrew Dutkanych IV - RHP 11-20 plus honorable mentions included in link above. Interesting to not see Elijah Green at the top of that list after his name's been bandied about there for some time but that is often the way of things with HS rankings. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 3, 2021 10:28:27 GMT -5
Is Elijah Green any relation to Elijah Pumpsie Green, first Red Sox black player?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 3, 2021 10:36:41 GMT -5
Is Elijah Green any relation to Elijah Pumpsie Green, first Red Sox black player? I was kind of wondering the same thing or wondering if anybody else picked up on the name, or Pumpsie's real name minus the nickname. |
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Post by jaffinator on Sept 3, 2021 15:16:19 GMT -5
Is Elijah Green any relation to Elijah Pumpsie Green, first Red Sox black player? He's the son of an NFL player so I assume not. |
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Post by ramireja on Sept 7, 2021 13:20:55 GMT -5
MLB Pipeline's top 20 college prospects for '22 Draft: 1. Brooks Lee - SS - Cal Poly 2. Jace Jung - 2B - Texas Tech 3. Jacob Berry - 1B/3B - LSU (transfer from Ariz.) 4. Brock Jones - OF - Stanford 5. Reggie Crawford - LHP - UConn 6. Chase DeLauter - OF - James Madison 7. Daniel Susac - C - Arizona 8. Robert Moore - 2B - Arkansas 9. Kevin Parada - C - Georgia Tech 10. Gavin Cross - OF - Virginia Tech . . . 16. Jud Fabian - OF - Florida The rest of 11-20 are included in link above.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 7, 2021 13:36:11 GMT -5
Is Elijah Green any relation to Elijah Pumpsie Green, first Red Sox black player? He's the son of an NFL player so I assume not. In his SABR bio, there's no mention of Pumpsie's children or grandchildren playing in the NFL, so probably not a direct relation. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 7, 2021 14:21:57 GMT -5
MLB Pipeline's top 20 college prospects for '22 Draft: 1. Brooks Lee - SS - Cal Poly 2. Jace Jung - 2B - Texas Tech 3. Jacob Berry - 1B/3B - LSU (transfer from Ariz.) 4. Brock Jones - OF - Stanford 5. Reggie Crawford - LHP - UConn 6. Chase DeLauter - OF - James Madison 7. Daniel Susac - C - Arizona 8. Robert Moore - 2B - Arkansas 9. Kevin Parada - C - Georgia Tech 10. Gavin Cross - OF - Virginia Tech . . . 16. Jud Fabian - OF - Florida The rest of 11-20 are included in link above. Connor Prielipp, former Sox draftee, coming in at 17 as well. Was thought of as arguably the top arm in this class until he blew out his arm last year. |
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 7, 2021 14:27:53 GMT -5
They currently have Connor ranked at 43.Which would fit in for us in the 2nd round.
Hopefully when they do the next CBA we can get trades in the draft. Or cap it to certain rounds.
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Post by jaffinator on Sept 7, 2021 16:01:15 GMT -5
MLB Pipeline's top 20 college prospects for '22 Draft: 1. Brooks Lee - SS - Cal Poly 2. Jace Jung - 2B - Texas Tech 3. Jacob Berry - 1B/3B - LSU (transfer from Ariz.) 4. Brock Jones - OF - Stanford 5. Reggie Crawford - LHP - UConn 6. Chase DeLauter - OF - James Madison 7. Daniel Susac - C - Arizona 8. Robert Moore - 2B - Arkansas 9. Kevin Parada - C - Georgia Tech 10. Gavin Cross - OF - Virginia Tech . . . 16. Jud Fabian - OF - Florida The rest of 11-20 are included in link above. I had forgotten that Dayton Moore, full time anti-porn crusader / part time Royals GM, had a son in this draft. |
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Post by 1toolplayer on Sept 7, 2021 17:54:34 GMT -5
MLB Pipeline's top 20 college prospects for '22 Draft: 1. Brooks Lee - SS - Cal Poly 2. Jace Jung - 2B - Texas Tech 3. Jacob Berry - 1B/3B - LSU (transfer from Ariz.) 4. Brock Jones - OF - Stanford 5. Reggie Crawford - LHP - UConn 6. Chase DeLauter - OF - James Madison 7. Daniel Susac - C - Arizona 8. Robert Moore - 2B - Arkansas 9. Kevin Parada - C - Georgia Tech 10. Gavin Cross - OF - Virginia Tech . . . 16. Jud Fabian - OF - Florida The rest of 11-20 are included in link above. I had forgotten that Dayton Moore, full time anti-porn crusader / part time Royals GM, had a son in this draft. This draft is def a bloodlines rich, make you feel old draft. Off the top of my head sons of Carl Crawford, Andruw Jones, Matt Holliday, Marquis Grissom, Eric Karros, Lou Collier, Dayton Moore, and Brian Cashman are all draft eligible this year. |
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Post by jaffinator on Sept 7, 2021 18:13:24 GMT -5
I had forgotten that Dayton Moore, full time anti-porn crusader / part time Royals GM, had a son in this draft. This draft is def a bloodlines rich, make you feel old draft. Off the top of my head sons of Carl Crawford, Andruw Jones, Matt Holliday, Marquis Grissom, Eric Karros, Lou Collier, Dayton Moore, and Brian Cashman are all draft eligible this year. Alternatively, I spent a while thinking Trey Dombroski (Monmouth pitcher) was related to Dave Dombrowski before realizing they didn't even have the same last name. |
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Post by mobaz on Sept 7, 2021 20:59:25 GMT -5
I had forgotten that Dayton Moore, full time anti-porn crusader / part time Royals GM, had a son in this draft. This draft is def a bloodlines rich, make you feel old draft. Off the top of my head sons of Carl Crawford, Andruw Jones, Matt Holliday, Marquis Grissom, Eric Karros, Lou Collier, Dayton Moore, and Brian Cashman are all draft eligible this year. ... what? WHAT?? YOU MONSTER. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 8, 2021 13:40:06 GMT -5
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