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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 31, 2021 15:18:53 GMT -5
Interesting. The Rays should start Collin McHugh, just because. Both of them were kind of swingmen on the Astros and contributed to their success. It's too bad the Sox didn't bring back McHugh. He could have helped the Sox as a piggyback reliever. Who knew he'd be healthy? I wouldn't have guessed that Peacock would get the start right away. We'll see if he can make it through 3 innings.
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Post by foreverred9 on Aug 31, 2021 15:35:40 GMT -5
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 31, 2021 15:38:30 GMT -5
Time for Peacock to spread his wings. (sorry!). Strut his stuff. etc
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 31, 2021 15:41:57 GMT -5
No Brasier yet? Even with Peacock our active roster is short. This is becoming absurd
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Post by funkybuddha on Aug 31, 2021 15:42:06 GMT -5
Ridiculous. None of these players would have HAD to miss time and put the team in this position by just using common sense and reason. They put nonsense ahead of the team and are as much to blame at this point as the trade deadline failures. (At least the FO didn't pay Rizzo prices on a team that probably wasn't good enough anyway. Might be a failure but at least you can see some reasoning there?) All the above speaks to these players selfishness in respect to this team. It does not speak to their greater selfishness to everyone. Ridiculous. All of this.
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Post by vokuhila on Aug 31, 2021 15:43:17 GMT -5
What is this? Just-in-time-team-manufacturing?
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Post by cdj on Aug 31, 2021 15:49:38 GMT -5
Ridiculous. None of these players would have HAD to miss time and put the team in this position by just using common sense and reason. They put nonsense ahead of the team and are as much to blame at this point as the trade deadline failures. (At least the FO didn't pay Rizzo prices on a team that probably wasn't good enough anyway. Might be a failure but at least you can see some reasoning there?) All the above speaks to these players selfishness in respect to this team. It does not speak to their greater selfishness to everyone. Ridiculous. All of this. I believe some of them are vaccinated, I wouldn’t really put the blame on all of them and I think it’s a fruitless endeavor to try to single people out
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Post by vokuhila on Aug 31, 2021 15:52:59 GMT -5
I mean at this point...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 31, 2021 15:55:56 GMT -5
Yeah, why not? He's not having a particularly good year, but the Sox could use a Hand at this point.
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Post by funkybuddha on Aug 31, 2021 15:58:57 GMT -5
Ridiculous. None of these players would have HAD to miss time and put the team in this position by just using common sense and reason. They put nonsense ahead of the team and are as much to blame at this point as the trade deadline failures. (At least the FO didn't pay Rizzo prices on a team that probably wasn't good enough anyway. Might be a failure but at least you can see some reasoning there?) All the above speaks to these players selfishness in respect to this team. It does not speak to their greater selfishness to everyone. Ridiculous. All of this. I believe some of them are vaccinated, I wouldn’t really put the blame on all of them and I think it’s a fruitless endeavor to try to single people out If they are vaccinated and have tested positive then they are very unique cases. If they are vaccinated but in close contact so have to quarantine for 2 false tests that's one thing. But that isn't the case with Hernandez and Arroyo for sure. It's been longer than that already. If I am wrong and they were vaccinated then my sincere apologies to them but the chances of both of them falling into that category are nil.
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Post by cdj on Aug 31, 2021 16:02:05 GMT -5
Kinda have to claim Hand at this point
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Post by vokuhila on Aug 31, 2021 16:04:46 GMT -5
Kinda have to claim Hand at this point Yeah...looks like Davis is the only lefty reliever available atm
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Post by benzinger on Aug 31, 2021 16:05:53 GMT -5
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Post by vokuhila on Aug 31, 2021 16:07:55 GMT -5
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 31, 2021 16:14:16 GMT -5
Please go get Brad Hand.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 31, 2021 16:30:44 GMT -5
If the Sox got Hand today, he'd be eligible for a potential post-season roster, but if they get him on Sept 1st, he wouldn't be? Is that correct?
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 31, 2021 16:33:19 GMT -5
Brad Hand probably puts them over the luxury limit. Red Sox Payroll had them like 400k under and Hand makes $10 million for the season
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 31, 2021 16:33:53 GMT -5
maybe it is OUR TIME for Mr. Hand
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 31, 2021 16:35:14 GMT -5
Brad Hand probably puts them over the luxury limit. Red Sox Payroll had them like 400k under and Hand makes $10 million for the season He'd be $125K or something like that, wouldn't he, once he cleared waivers (and probably wouldn't do so until Sept but wouldn't be eligible for post-season)
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 31, 2021 16:36:01 GMT -5
I hope they sign Hand just so I could do my best Jeff Spicoli voice, and say "Aloha Mr. Hand".
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 31, 2021 16:43:30 GMT -5
you have to give Tampa credit with the run the last 3 -4 years, but they are the outlier. It could just be a run of good luck. I think they have made their own luck. It's probably more impressive than all that moneyball stuff Billy Beane got credit for. The Rays aren't living off of Mulder/Zito/Hudson they way the A's did, not that Beane didn't do impressive stuff, but still, the Rays have been succeeding on low payrolls and no franchise players or superstars of any sort, and constant turnover. Respect your opinion and Soxfan also. However, With all the data available and the turnover on staff / players in the league, you think they are the keepers of the magic potion ? We also don't know if they are bending the rules with extreme success. The Astros were and it wasn't readily apparent to anyone at the time. I don't see it that way, they were ahead of the curve in ways of running a club and they also got real lucky with stupid teams in trades. I could easily see them being a .500 club inside 3 years, which is still quite an accomplishment given their payroll. Edit: Acknowledge they made their own luck.....but also think they have been very fortunate in their rolls of the dice.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 31, 2021 16:54:09 GMT -5
I think they have made their own luck. It's probably more impressive than all that moneyball stuff Billy Beane got credit for. The Rays aren't living off of Mulder/Zito/Hudson they way the A's did, not that Beane didn't do impressive stuff, but still, the Rays have been succeeding on low payrolls and no franchise players or superstars of any sort, and constant turnover. Respect your opinion and Soxfan also. However, With all the data available and the turnover on staff / players in the league, you think they are the keepers of the magic potion ? We also don't know if they are bending the rules with extreme success. The Astros were and it wasn't readily apparent to anyone at the time. I don't see it that way, they were ahead of the curve in ways of running a club and they also got real lucky with stupid teams in trades. I could easily see them being a .500 club inside 3 years, which is still quite an accomplishment given their payroll. Edit: Acknowledge they made their own luck.....but also think they have been very fortunate in their rolls of the dice. I guess anybody can cheat as you mention the Astros. But it seems to me their secret sauce is finding pitchers and improving them and then discarding them and successfully replacing them. The spin rate thing has come and gone and the Rays are still succeeding with their pitching. It's not like the sticky stuff was outlawed with everybody watching and suddenly their pitching fell apart. Eventually what will happen with the Rays is that they might have too many seasons of success and lower draft picks and the farm system won't boom as much as it has and that could lead to their demise for a little while as it is really hard to compete with a weakened farm system and a very low payroll. But they have maximized their window very well keeping it open for a long time, sort of like trading Snell at the top of his game and converting him into Patino. Wait until it's time to trade Wander Franco and what they get for him after he has blossomed and been great for 3 to 4 years. Respect your opinion, too Jerry!!
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Post by vokuhila on Aug 31, 2021 17:00:18 GMT -5
Brad Hand probably puts them over the luxury limit. Red Sox Payroll had them like 400k under and Hand makes $10 million for the season He'd be $125K or something like that, wouldn't he, once he cleared waivers (and probably wouldn't do so until Sept but wouldn't be eligible for post-season) Probably even a bit less than 125K but julyanmorley's point remains valid. It's getting really really close. redsoxpayroll had them at less the $0.5M below...and that was before the COVID bonanza. Maybe Peacock get's yeeted asap just to stay below...
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 31, 2021 17:00:39 GMT -5
Yeah, why not? He's not having a particularly good year, but the Sox could use a Hand at this point. champs, ftw
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 31, 2021 17:33:25 GMT -5
Meanwhile, they optioned Espinal and have an open spot on the 26. I'm assuming Schreiber will be selected.
Double meanwhile, rosters expand by 2 tomorrow. Brasier might be on a plane, and maybe Santana as well, or they could recall Wong.
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