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Chasing a Gold Glover: Ceddanne Rafaela
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 18, 2022 8:08:45 GMT -5
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Post by radiohix on Apr 20, 2022 10:12:37 GMT -5
Good stuff about Rafaela, his adjustments and other prospects.
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Post by jaffinator on Apr 20, 2022 12:01:16 GMT -5
Good stuff about Rafaela, his adjustments and other prospects. Always nice to get an article like this with stories about mechanical tweaks and not just "they're hitting much better now!"
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Post by radiohix on Apr 22, 2022 16:41:06 GMT -5
Binelas »…He’s a gold glove CFer, GG SS, he makes every play on the field look routine, and it’s like some balls that…you know… average OFer can’t even get to…you know…double in the gap…he’s camped underneath it to catch this ball…it’s such fun watching him play…”
I won’t rest till he’s ranked in the Top 10 way ahead of Gilberto Jimenez 😅
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 22, 2022 20:47:51 GMT -5
Toy Cannon 2.0
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Post by telson13 on Apr 23, 2022 8:49:49 GMT -5
Binelas »…He’s a gold glove CFer, GG SS, he makes every play on the field look routine, and it’s like some balls that…you know… average OFer can’t even get to…you know…double in the gap…he’s camped underneath it to catch this ball…it’s such fun watching him play…” I won’t rest till he’s ranked in the Top 10 way ahead of Gilberto Jimenez 😅 He's always had that "X factor" in the way that Pedroia, Pedro, and Mookie did coming up. That supreme self-confidence and sense of eventual success, the knowledge that they *will* succeed. Used to being the underdog, the little guy, and flipping it to their advantage. He's a long way from being a superstar/HOFer, but a bunch of us saw that video of his LLWS beaning and I think we knew back then that he had that rarest of skills...the ability to frame failure as opportunity for subsequent success, and to hunt the next challenge. I like Gilberto a lot as a player, I think he's eventually an above-average CF with LD pop. But nobody in the system...and that includes Casas and Mayer...seems nearly as likely as Cedanne to reach his 95th %ile outcome. What that is I'm excited to find out, because aside from the low walk rate (and the superior defensive ability, which is saying something), he sure looks similar to Mookie development-wise so far.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 25, 2022 16:35:50 GMT -5
THIS THREAD YOU GUYS!
We're talking 5 tool MLB regular now 👑
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 25, 2022 16:50:05 GMT -5
Let's hope Rafaela continues his development and the pop he's shown early is legit. That twitter thread is exciting to read though. It would definitely seem he has a very good shot to at least be a good major league bench piece with his ability to play so many different positions at a rather high level defensivly.
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 25, 2022 17:00:58 GMT -5
radiohix where you got Rafaela? #5 in the system?
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Post by radiohix on Apr 25, 2022 17:10:45 GMT -5
radiohix where you got Rafaela? #5 in the system? Yeah, he's in that 2nd tier (First is of course:Casas, Yorke, Bello, Mayer) with Walter, Bleis and want to see more from Bonaci & Hamilton.
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Post by jaffinator on Apr 25, 2022 17:14:25 GMT -5
Binelas »…He’s a gold glove CFer, GG SS, he makes every play on the field look routine, and it’s like some balls that…you know… average OFer can’t even get to…you know…double in the gap…he’s camped underneath it to catch this ball…it’s such fun watching him play…” I won’t rest till he’s ranked in the Top 10 way ahead of Gilberto Jimenez 😅 He's always had that "X factor" in the way that Pedroia, Pedro, and Mookie did coming up. That supreme self-confidence and sense of eventual success, the knowledge that they *will* succeed. Used to being the underdog, the little guy, and flipping it to their advantage. He's a long way from being a superstar/HOFer, but a bunch of us saw that video of his LLWS beaning and I think we knew back then that he had that rarest of skills...the ability to frame failure as opportunity for subsequent success, and to hunt the next challenge. I like Gilberto a lot as a player, I think he's eventually an above-average CF with LD pop. But nobody in the system...and that includes Casas and Mayer...seems nearly as likely as Cedanne to reach his 95th %ile outcome. What that is I'm excited to find out, because aside from the low walk rate (and the superior defensive ability, which is saying something), he sure looks similar to Mookie development-wise so far. Definitionally, don't all players have the same chance to reach their 95% outcome? Wouldn't it be 5% for all of them?
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 25, 2022 17:16:41 GMT -5
Chris Clegg in his great series of tweets says that he's more like 5'11" now then 5'8", so that comparison is, alas, no longer accurate.
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Post by jimoh on Apr 25, 2022 18:38:05 GMT -5
Chris Clegg in his great series of tweets says that he's more like 5'11" now then 5'8", so that comparison is, alas, no longer accurate. Didn’t Binelas call him 5’10? Which is not a precise measurement but probably means roughly 5’10”
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 25, 2022 18:51:05 GMT -5
Binelas »…He’s a gold glove CFer, GG SS, he makes every play on the field look routine, and it’s like some balls that…you know… average OFer can’t even get to…you know…double in the gap…he’s camped underneath it to catch this ball…it’s such fun watching him play…” I won’t rest till he’s ranked in the Top 10 way ahead of Gilberto Jimenez 😅 He's always had that "X factor" in the way that Pedroia, Pedro, and Mookie did coming up. That supreme self-confidence and sense of eventual success, the knowledge that they *will* succeed. Used to being the underdog, the little guy, and flipping it to their advantage. He's a long way from being a superstar/HOFer, but a bunch of us saw that video of his LLWS beaning and I think we knew back then that he had that rarest of skills...the ability to frame failure as opportunity for subsequent success, and to hunt the next challenge. I like Gilberto a lot as a player, I think he's eventually an above-average CF with LD pop. But nobody in the system...and that includes Casas and Mayer...seems nearly as likely as Cedanne to reach his 95th %ile outcome. What that is I'm excited to find out, because aside from the low walk rate (and the superior defensive ability, which is saying something), he sure looks similar to Mookie development-wise so far. A while ago I did a through analysis of pitching prospects to try and determine whether it was age or years of pro experience that was the real, effective clock for ml development. It turns out it's much more the latter.
What this means is that every minor leaguer who missed 2020 should be regarded as a year younger when making comps to older players.
Mookie's and Ceddenne's birthdays are less than three weeks apart, so there's no age confound at all to deal with.
I've got some career parallel numbers that I'll post in a bit, but the thing that stands out most is that both players got their act together in low--A, on a day you can pinpoint. For Mookie, it was 5/7/13, and for Ceddenne, July 24 of last year.
C was hitting .219 / .285 / .328 in 223 PA last year, then hit .285 / .325 / .523 in 209. His BB rate went from .072 to .043, a decline of 40%, so he was definitely being more aggressive. In Mookie's breakthrough he went from a .229 to .145 in 235 PA before the promotion to A+ -- a decline of 37%.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 25, 2022 21:19:30 GMT -5
Chris Clegg in his great series of tweets says that he's more like 5'11" now then 5'8", so that comparison is, alas, no longer accurate. Hmmm.....5'11" ?? Mickey Mantle was 5'11"...
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Post by wcsoxfan on Apr 25, 2022 22:52:42 GMT -5
Chris Clegg in his great series of tweets says that he's more like 5'11" now then 5'8", so that comparison is, alas, no longer accurate. Hmmm.....5'11" ?? Mickey Mantle was 5'11"... There's a certain triple crown winner who was/is 5'11"...
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Post by mobaz on Apr 26, 2022 3:39:14 GMT -5
"Dustin Hoffman was 5'6"." "Would you want to see Dustin Hoffman save the Alamo?"
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 26, 2022 4:25:53 GMT -5
radiohix where you got Rafaela? #5 in the system? Yeah, he's in that 2nd tier (First is of course:Casas, Yorke, Bello, Mayer) with Walter, Bleis and want to see more from Bonaci & Hamilton. Don't overlook Lugo, Wikelman & Binelis. By the end of the year we are going to be top heavy.
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Post by bosoxnation on Apr 26, 2022 22:50:24 GMT -5
Yeah, he's in that 2nd tier (First is of course:Casas, Yorke, Bello, Mayer) with Walter, Bleis and want to see more from Bonaci & Hamilton. Don't overlook Lugo, Wikelman & Binelis. By the end of the year we are going to be top heavy. By the looks of it we’re going to need all of them lol
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Post by badfishnbc on May 19, 2022 7:53:27 GMT -5
Move that we rename this thread "Feats of Ceddanne."
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Post by radiohix on Jun 12, 2022 9:21:17 GMT -5
Since July 7th of last year (496 PA over 3 levels), Rafaela has a .249 IsoP (20 HRs and 65 XBH) for a 19.6% K rate. He’s been very good.
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Post by nuttyredsox on Jun 12, 2022 10:49:38 GMT -5
Since he move up his numbers keep improving game after game. At this pace he will be in Fenway next year and learning from JBJ.
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Post by southernredsoxality on Jun 12, 2022 23:14:04 GMT -5
The all new 2022 Ceddanne has a ton of new and exciting features.
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Post by crossedsabres8 on Jun 13, 2022 0:05:11 GMT -5
Are there examples of guys reaching the majors that are elite defensively at both SS and CF?
Rafaela may not be considered "elite" but every scouting report I've read raves about his defense both on the dirt and on the grass.
Obviously there are plenty of guys who can play a variety of positions very well but Ceddanne seams unique in that you could view him as a future shortstop or center fielder if his bat works out.
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Post by ianrs on Jun 13, 2022 1:35:22 GMT -5
Man, we're really going to have a
CF Rafaela 2B Yorke SS Mayer 3B/DH Devers 1B Casas
Lineup
Insanity
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