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Post by jmei on Dec 18, 2021 20:47:31 GMT -5
Just mistakes upon mistakes, especially on special teams. We’ll see how much McDaniels really trusts Jones now.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 18, 2021 21:04:01 GMT -5
Wentz will make mistakes. Gotta take advantage of him.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 18, 2021 21:26:44 GMT -5
I'd much rather have Rookie Mac Jones QBing my team this year than Carson Wentz. They won't even pass with plenty of time to push it.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 18, 2021 21:56:37 GMT -5
Yuck. Disaster of a game.
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Post by jmei on Dec 18, 2021 22:02:07 GMT -5
They’ve missed three or four interception opportunities now. Sigh.
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Post by foreverred9 on Dec 18, 2021 22:06:14 GMT -5
At this point, let's hope this leads to a focused week of practice and a sweep of the Bills next week.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 18, 2021 22:20:54 GMT -5
Got em right where we want em. Get a fumble or int - score quick. then just do that again. Easy peasy!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 18, 2021 22:26:39 GMT -5
Got em right where we want em. Get a fumble or int - score quick. then just do that again. Easy peasy! There's the Int. You are welcome! |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 18, 2021 23:05:37 GMT -5
Damn. Ball game on bad D.
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Post by foreverred9 on Dec 18, 2021 23:15:29 GMT -5
Bad play by a D that looked good tonight.
Really bad play by Hightower to get caught over-pursuing, Barmore got destroyed, and not sure what Van Noy was doing either. I can't tell if he misread the play or if it was a designed play for him to plug the gap, but the play went right over where he was supposed to be.
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Post by philarhody on Dec 18, 2021 23:27:47 GMT -5
This is just an aside, but of all the terrible players in tonight’s drama (Isaiah Wynn, Jake Bailey, the Refs), Andrew Sendejo was particularly abhorrent. He was leading with his head all night. He is a backup safety that has made a living putting his vertebrae on the line, but the hit on Harry was absolutely ridiculous. What is with that guy?
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 18, 2021 23:33:42 GMT -5
This is just an aside, but of all the terrible players in tonight’s drama (Isaiah Wynn, Jake Bailey, the Refs), Andrew Sendejo was particularly abhorrent. He was leading with his head all night. He is a backup safety that has made a living putting his vertebrae on the line, but the hit on Harry was absolutely ridiculous. What is with that guy? I thought that hit was clean, he got the shoulder in Harry's back. I do take issue with one tackle he had on Stevenson where he absolutely went head first at the dude's knees. |
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Post by philarhody on Dec 18, 2021 23:38:57 GMT -5
This is just an aside, but of all the terrible players in tonight’s drama (Isaiah Wynn, Jake Bailey, the Refs), Andrew Sendejo was particularly abhorrent. He was leading with his head all night. He is a backup safety that has made a living putting his vertebrae on the line, but the hit on Harry was absolutely ridiculous. What is with that guy? I thought that hit was clean, he got the shoulder in Harry's back. I do take issue with one tackle he had on Stevenson where he absolutely went head first at the dude's knees. The fact that he “got the shoulder in Harry’s back” doesn’t negate the targeting. Yeah the on Stevenson’s knee was probably legal but stupid. Also I thought this was funny: |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 19, 2021 9:58:30 GMT -5
This is just an aside, but of all the terrible players in tonight’s drama (Isaiah Wynn, Jake Bailey, the Refs), Andrew Sendejo was particularly abhorrent. He was leading with his head all night. He is a backup safety that has made a living putting his vertebrae on the line, but the hit on Harry was absolutely ridiculous. What is with that guy? I thought that hit was clean, he got the shoulder in Harry's back. I do take issue with one tackle he had on Stevenson where he absolutely went head first at the dude's knees. Yeah he got some shoulder, yet also helmet to helmet. I mean he basically knocked himself out. That's targeting in my book all day long and should have been 15 yards. That guy is acting old school like he wants to knock players out of the game. Yet the game has changed, no place for that crap anymore. If he was in College he's thrown out and misses half the next game. Hit a guy as hard as you want, just stay away from the guys head! |
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Post by cdj on Dec 19, 2021 12:15:43 GMT -5
They were due for a stinker. Glad they showed some fight. Go smoke the bills.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 19, 2021 14:32:59 GMT -5
Jamie Collins missed an easy pick 6 and the Colts linebacker made an interception in the red zone that was a better catch than any Patriots receiver has had all season. Maybe the best catch I've ever seen a linebacker make. There's the game right there.
And they didn't make Wentz beat them, which should have been the plan. He stinks and I can't believe the Eagles got a 1st round pick for him. He was 5-12 for 57 yards and could have had 4 INTs. And it was in a dome, not in 50 mph winds in Buffalo.
Also, the NFL should crack down on teams in domes using stupid loud speakers filled with crowd noise. That is not fans being loud.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 19, 2021 15:31:28 GMT -5
The commontery is that they ran the ball down the Pats throats and dominated the line of scrimmage. Yet take out the 67 yd run at the end of the game and the Pats had a better yds/rush for the game. Funny how optics can get skewed.
They made more plays, Pats made more mistakes, refs didn't help but the blocked punt and dropped ints were the difference in the game. Have to make the plays when you get the chance.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 19, 2021 15:36:15 GMT -5
The commontery is that they ran the ball down the Pats throats and dominated the line of scrimmage. Yet take out the 67 yd run at the end of the game and the Pats had a better yds/rush for the game. Funny how optics can get skewed. They made more plays, Pats made more mistakes, refs didn't help but the blocked punt and dropped ints were the difference in the game. Have to make the plays when you get the chance. Yeah, Taylor had 28 rushes for 106 yards before that play for a quite pedestrian 3.8 ypc. That seemed like a game that the Pats win 90% of the time if even a few things went their way. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 19, 2021 17:09:03 GMT -5
The commontery is that they ran the ball down the Pats throats and dominated the line of scrimmage. Yet take out the 67 yd run at the end of the game and the Pats had a better yds/rush for the game. Funny how optics can get skewed. They made more plays, Pats made more mistakes, refs didn't help but the blocked punt and dropped ints were the difference in the game. Have to make the plays when you get the chance. Yeah, Taylor had 28 rushes for 106 yards before that play for a quite pedestrian 3.8 ypc. That seemed like a game that the Pats win 90% of the time if even a few things went their way. I agree, the Pats have been winning those types of games for a long time but not so much this year. The same can be said for some of those losses early in the season. They are still working towards being a good BB coached team that we are accustomed to winning the close ones. I hope we can look back and think of this loss as a learning moment and a wakeup call for the rest of the season. This next game is the big one. |
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 19, 2021 19:30:46 GMT -5
Green Bay didn't do the Patriots any favors by almost blowing it, but the Ravens handed the game back to them.
I don't understand how you can lose two games going for 2 in one season. If you have less than a 50% chance of making a 2 point conversion, you should take your chances in OT. I highly doubt any team could be at 50%.
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Post by jmei on Dec 19, 2021 19:35:13 GMT -5
Green Bay didn't do the Patriots any favors by almost blowing it, but the Ravens handed the game back to them. I don't understand how you can lose two games going for 2 in one season. If you have less than a 50% chance of making a 2 point conversion, you should take your chances in OT. I highly doubt any team could be at 50%. The league-average two point conversion percentage is 49% or so. |
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 19, 2021 19:40:45 GMT -5
Really? Then why wouldn't an above average 2 point scoring team go for it every time if their expected points is over 1?
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Post by jmei on Dec 19, 2021 19:46:12 GMT -5
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Post by foreverred9 on Dec 19, 2021 19:57:02 GMT -5
I think there's a layer beneath the expected value that's important to quantify with the variance. While 0.98 pts for a 2-pt try is greater than 0.94 pts for a 1-pt try, 51% of failure is real and can't be completely ignored. Perhaps one needs to think about discounting the 2-pt expected value for it having larger variance. Just look at the Ravens - they now have 2 losses when the analytics would have expected them to win one of those games. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 20, 2021 12:08:06 GMT -5
I guess we can end that debate if the Eagles were lucky Wentz went down haha. That ultra aggressive style looks awesome when it works and horrible when it doesn't. Look at the Colts last game with those two 4th down plays, it certainly helped them win. They don't get both, it also could have helped them lose the game. It just causes ups and downs. Eagles won a superbowl when everyone of them went right, yet what about all the teams that lose because they don't go right? It's why Bill builds a good D and trusts them to make plays. It produces more consistent results.
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