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9/13-9/15 Red Sox @ Mariners Series Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 16, 2021 10:07:58 GMT -5
Just because I’m from Billerica, MA I’m just pointing out I thought it was very cool that twice within the last week ((O’Brien and Burks a few games ago), and last night with Lenny and O’Brien they talked briefly about Tommy Glavine. He always wanted to pitch for the Sox at least once in his career. I'm kind of surprised that it never happened. I think there was once a rumored deal of the Sox sending a young, healthy, and productive Mike Greenwell to Atlanta in a trade for Tom Glavine before he blossomed into the pitcher he became.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 16, 2021 11:40:18 GMT -5
Yes, I know it was game 6 and am full aware of the game already being blown by the time the Buckner error happened. It was just a stupid joke about how O'Brien loves to tempt the baseball gods at every opportunity, talking about no-hitters, talking about how a pitcher hasn't given up a home run in a really long time or in the case of yesterday's game, talking about how great the flight home was going to be after a win before the game was over. It doesn't matter if it's real or not. He is annoying the hell out of the fans who don't want to hear that. He is aggravating and he does it on purpose. The NESN graphics dept put up a graphic about Ottavino not having surrendered a HR all season exactly 1 pitch before Ottavino would surrender his 1st HR of the season, a game tying HR by Franmil Reyes with 2 outs in the 9th that tied the game, before Verdugo got the game winning hit in the bottom of the 9th. For the record, I don't believe in fortune tellers or any of that stuff. If they were really fortune tellers, they'd see the next night's winning lottery ticket numbers, put their money down on it, strike it rich, and retire. They don't, so it's BS. That said, I do believe in tempting fate and in superstitions, which work for about five minutes until they don't and it's onto the next new superstition. Intellectually, superstitions are silly. I mean talking about a potential no-hitter and then watching it disintegrate can be annoying but intellectually that's not why a no-hitter suddenly gets broken up. The thing is I think a lot of people don't believe in the fortune I can see the future type of thing, but they believe in superstitions. I mean we see guys trying to change their luck by wearing rally caps or whatever. The best example of that was a game in 1990 against Seattle that featured the dugouts trying to top each other with their superstitions. It turned into Randy Johnson looking like a sheik and ended with Roger Clemens wearing coke cups from his ears, which must have worked because Dwight Evans hit the go-ahead and winning HR late into extra innings. I truly believe that Nomar never moved from his seat in the Jeter crashes into the seats game in 2004 because of superstition. I mean the guy would tap his feet a certain amount of times and fidget with his batting gloves, etc. So I really don't think he was pouting, but more was frozen to his spot by superstition. Nobody was more superstitious than chicken eating, draw a Chai sign in the batters box, sprint out at 7:17 (one day somebody moved the clock from 7:16 o 7:18 just to mess with him) than Wade Boggs. So if you believe chicken was the reason Boggs was a .338 hitter lifetime with the Sox, sure, why not? haha. Me personally? I am very superstitious. I hate presuming Red Sox victories for the same reason I hate hearing the words,"Red Sox pitcher so and so has a no-hitter going in the 8th inning". It's a big jinx. Overconfidence turns into "how the hell did that happen?". Presuming loss can work the other way as it's always better to win and look stupid for shooting your mouth off than to lose and look stupid for shooting your mouth off. You misrepresent fortune tellers here. True fortune tellers [claim to] be able to foresee certain things, but they do not claim to be able for foresee anything and everything, or infallibly foresee a particular thing on demand. So the test of verifying or debunking a fortune teller based on foretelling tomorrow's lottery numbers isn't a valid means of assessment. Not that I believe in fortune tellers.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 16, 2021 12:34:17 GMT -5
The NESN graphics dept put up a graphic about Ottavino not having surrendered a HR all season exactly 1 pitch before Ottavino would surrender his 1st HR of the season, a game tying HR by Franmil Reyes with 2 outs in the 9th that tied the game, before Verdugo got the game winning hit in the bottom of the 9th. For the record, I don't believe in fortune tellers or any of that stuff. If they were really fortune tellers, they'd see the next night's winning lottery ticket numbers, put their money down on it, strike it rich, and retire. They don't, so it's BS. That said, I do believe in tempting fate and in superstitions, which work for about five minutes until they don't and it's onto the next new superstition. Intellectually, superstitions are silly. I mean talking about a potential no-hitter and then watching it disintegrate can be annoying but intellectually that's not why a no-hitter suddenly gets broken up. The thing is I think a lot of people don't believe in the fortune I can see the future type of thing, but they believe in superstitions. I mean we see guys trying to change their luck by wearing rally caps or whatever. The best example of that was a game in 1990 against Seattle that featured the dugouts trying to top each other with their superstitions. It turned into Randy Johnson looking like a sheik and ended with Roger Clemens wearing coke cups from his ears, which must have worked because Dwight Evans hit the go-ahead and winning HR late into extra innings. I truly believe that Nomar never moved from his seat in the Jeter crashes into the seats game in 2004 because of superstition. I mean the guy would tap his feet a certain amount of times and fidget with his batting gloves, etc. So I really don't think he was pouting, but more was frozen to his spot by superstition. Nobody was more superstitious than chicken eating, draw a Chai sign in the batters box, sprint out at 7:17 (one day somebody moved the clock from 7:16 o 7:18 just to mess with him) than Wade Boggs. So if you believe chicken was the reason Boggs was a .338 hitter lifetime with the Sox, sure, why not? haha. Me personally? I am very superstitious. I hate presuming Red Sox victories for the same reason I hate hearing the words,"Red Sox pitcher so and so has a no-hitter going in the 8th inning". It's a big jinx. Overconfidence turns into "how the hell did that happen?". Presuming loss can work the other way as it's always better to win and look stupid for shooting your mouth off than to lose and look stupid for shooting your mouth off. You misrepresent fortune tellers here. True fortune tellers [claim to] be able to foresee certain things, but they do not claim to be able for foresee anything and everything, or infallibly foresee a particular thing on demand. So the test of verifying or debunking a fortune teller based on foretelling tomorrow's lottery numbers isn't a valid means of assessment. Not that I believe in fortune tellers. Got it. Seems kind of convenient, huh? lol
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 16, 2021 13:53:44 GMT -5
Serious question: Do people who believe in a jinx also believe in fortune tellers. My wife believes in both as I believe in neither. For the most part I firmly believe that nothing the announcer says makes any difference. My brother strongly disagrees. On the other hand, there is a lot of data supporting the theory that if I watch the last inning of a tight game, they are more likely to lose, and if I turn it off, I usually find out when I check later that they have won. I inherited this power from my dad. Then by all mean you should never watch another Red Sox game so that they will 162-0 and breeze through the playoffs and WS 11-0.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 16, 2021 14:01:43 GMT -5
It doesn't matter because it's clear that he's trying to annoy the people who do believe in it. That is what drives me nuts. Why does he act like such a dick? ...and you believe the earth is still at the center of the universe.....and witches and palm readers....and that Al Gore created the internet (as he claims)....
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 16, 2021 14:02:22 GMT -5
It doesn't matter because it's clear that he's trying to annoy the people who do believe in it. That is what drives me nuts. Why does he act like such a dick? ...and you believe the earth is still at the center of the universe.....and witches and palm readers Maybe you didn't read my post. It annoys me that Dave O'Brien literally tries to annoy fans with it. It has nothing to do with whether superstitions are real. And if a baseball player believes in superstitions, there is a lot of evidence that they do in fact help them, if for no other reason than it puts them in a good head space.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 16, 2021 14:14:44 GMT -5
...and you believe the earth is still at the center of the universe.....and witches and palm readers Maybe you didn't read my post. It annoys me that Dave O'Brien literally tries to annoy fans with it. It has nothing to do with whether superstitions are real. And if a baseball player believes in superstitions, there is a lot of evidence that they do in fact help them, if for no other reason than it puts them in a good head space. If i watched Dave O’Brien and he was trying to annoy me as a fan i would email the network repeatedly, that as a viewer, it is not acceptable. I have told my wife that her superstitions are in unacceptable and that reasonable people CONTROL THEIR OWN OUTCOMES not some one saying something arbitrarily. I told my wife’s fortune telling friend that his bs fell into 4 categories 1) relationships 2) health 3) money 4) family. All he had to do was say you have problems in these 4 areas and the person whose fortune was being told would fill the four categories with their own life circumstances and think the fortune teller was a genius.
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Post by jimoh on Sept 16, 2021 16:08:05 GMT -5
For the most part I firmly believe that nothing the announcer says makes any difference. My brother strongly disagrees. On the other hand, there is a lot of data supporting the theory that if I watch the last inning of a tight game, they are more likely to lose, and if I turn it off, I usually find out when I check later that they have won. I inherited this power from my dad. Then by all mean you should never watch another Red Sox game so that they will 162-0 and breeze through the playoffs and WS 11-0. No, I can watch the first eight innings and even the ninth inning of blowouts without affecting the game at all. I was trying to think of the writer who wrote eloquently about sitting in his room in Brooklyn (?) and looking out the window while listening on the radio, fervently believing that his support for his team was crucial to their success. Not Giamatti, a Red Sox fan. On Boggs and Nomar: I don't actually believe in jinxes at all. But I do believe in the power of ritual and repetition and of the placebo effect. In my late 20s I realized that if while playing tennis I said "Boggs Boggs Boggs" quietly to myself right before hitting the ball I was much more likely to hit the ball squarely. Focuses the mind, I guess. Here's a pretty interesting book on the placebo effect and related phenomena, by a guy brought up as a Christian Scientist who lost his faith but did some research and found out that some of their methods kinda sorta work. "Suggestible You: The Curious Science of Your Brain's Ability to Deceive, Transform, and Heal" www.amazon.com/dp/B01C1LB09U/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 16, 2021 22:21:39 GMT -5
I'm just glancing at this discussion ...
Yesterday I grabbed the first of a bag of Mineola "Oranges" (actually a type of tangerine, I believe) and it was delicious. Like any citrus fruit, this was likely but by no means certain.
I started eating the mineola exactly when the top of the 10th started. It was uncanny!
My brother, a casual but very appreciative fan, came upstairs a bit later. He looked at the score box and laughed. "We had 4 hits before this inning, and we have five in this inning. You know what happened?" He's expecting some sort of game analysis, of course.
"I started eating this tangerine. Because, you know, they happened at the same time ... and that means there was a causal relationship! Right?"
I don't know who is taking what side in this discussion, but it it turns out that I was unwittingly mocking you, I apologize.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 17, 2021 0:32:43 GMT -5
Jinxes, etc. are obvious crap. You can pretty much correlate anything. It's the price of butter in India effect.
I only mean this if it isn't bad luck to say it.
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Post by jmei on Sept 18, 2021 8:15:03 GMT -5
Moved the citrus discussion to its own thread in the off-topic forum so that it can continue after the gameday threads get moved to the archive.
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