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Post by foreverred9 on Sept 19, 2021 15:11:34 GMT -5
I think we can sum one this game in one word... "phew".
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 19, 2021 15:12:19 GMT -5
I think Ottovino is liking things right about now! No doubt but Richards pitched yesterday and I think Ottavino was available? He's been worked hard so it's not a bad thing for him to get off days.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Sept 19, 2021 15:13:01 GMT -5
Great job by the offense after that pitiful appearance by sawamura who somehow gets the win.
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Post by vokuhila on Sept 19, 2021 15:13:44 GMT -5
Sneaky interesting trade. Hansel struggled in late June and July, including coughing up a 3-run lead in his final MIN appearance before the trade. But he had 10 saves for them early (the defending AL Central champs who figured to compete coming out of spring training) and clearly has decent stuff for the coaching staff to work with. MIN also threw in some cash to cover his salary, presumably to keep BOS under the tax bar.
Scherff hasn't pitched for the Twins. Not sure what happened there I was just looking that up..apparently he was placed on the IL immediately after the trade.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 19, 2021 15:14:38 GMT -5
If the Yankees lose and Oakland wins, they’re tied in the loss column The Yankees put themselves in a situation where they really need to sweep Texas.
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Post by taiwansox on Sept 19, 2021 15:14:40 GMT -5
Sawamura with a 5-1 record lol. The only loss was that stupid rain game in the Bronx.
I wonder if Richards pulls a Pomeranz with his career, it’s actually not crazy (still probably wouldn’t pick up his option)
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 19, 2021 15:15:26 GMT -5
Great job by the offense after that pitiful appearance by sawamura who somehow gets the win. Eovaldi is stuck at 10 wins. He should have about 17 wins by now.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Sept 19, 2021 15:15:46 GMT -5
Sept: 11-6
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Post by foreverred9 on Sept 19, 2021 15:16:30 GMT -5
Luck is turning in our favor at just the right point in time. This was the second game of this 5-game winning streak where our xBA was under 0.200, we score of runs, and we win.
First game was in Seattle - 9-4 Sox, 0.193 xBA for the Sox, 0.222 xBA for the Mariners Todays game - 8-6 Sox, 0.194 xBA for the Sox, 0.239 for the Orioles
Nothing beats a trip from the Orioles to help us right the ship.
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Post by taiwansox on Sept 19, 2021 15:16:39 GMT -5
If the Yankees lose and Oakland wins, they’re tied in the loss column The Yankees put themselves in a situation where they really need to sweep Texas. The Texas rotation lines up decently as well for this series, no real trash starters. It’s similar to the Orioles where we missed Means and Ellis who are both solid (the Yankees got both of them haha)
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Post by vokuhila on Sept 19, 2021 15:18:18 GMT -5
Scherff hasn't pitched for the Twins. Not sure what happened there I was just looking that up..apparently he was placed on the IL immediately after the trade. http://instagr.am/p/CTXVGGIjOpM Rehabbing and back on the mound. Post 2 weeks old
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Post by soxinsf on Sept 19, 2021 15:19:02 GMT -5
Looks like Cora is still lacking in conviction with Barnes with Richards coming on. But what about Ottavino? Good to establish Richards as a late inning possibility in addition to Otto. Loss of Whitlock may change the calculus on this however. Consistency from Hansel, Perez, Barnes would really help at this point.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 19, 2021 15:21:22 GMT -5
The Yankees put themselves in a situation where they really need to sweep Texas. The Texas rotation lines up decently as well for this series, no real trash starters. It’s similar to the Orioles where we missed Means and Ellis who are both solid (the Yankees got both of them haha) The Yankees so far have tripped over the bad teams over the past few weeks. They need to go 7-3 over the stretch where they play Minnesota, Baltimore, Cleveland and Texas and now they need a sweep of Texas to do this.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Sept 19, 2021 15:22:09 GMT -5
I think Ottovino is liking things right about now! No doubt but Richards pitched yesterday and I think Ottavino was available? He's been worked hard so it's not a bad thing for him to get off days. Don't know. Maybe Cora wanted to see how Richards stuff would play on back-to-back days. Wondering if Otto was warming in the 9th? Off day tomorrow so everyone rests.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 19, 2021 15:25:46 GMT -5
No doubt but Richards pitched yesterday and I think Ottavino was available? He's been worked hard so it's not a bad thing for him to get off days. Don't know. Maybe Cora wanted to see how Richards stuff would play on back-to-back days. Wondering if Otto was warming in the 9th? Off day tomorrow so everyone rests. Crazy how a guy who couldn't get through the 1st inning of his starts and had to reinvent his pitches is now suddenly a very viable late inning high leverage reliever.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Sept 19, 2021 15:25:48 GMT -5
Best part of that Yankee whipping was that Cole was the starter.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Sept 19, 2021 15:29:37 GMT -5
Don't know. Maybe Cora wanted to see how Richards stuff would play on back-to-back days. Wondering if Otto was warming in the 9th? Off day tomorrow so everyone rests. Crazy how a guy who couldn't get through the 1st inning of his starts and had to reinvent his pitches is now suddenly a very viable late inning high leverage reliever. I always thought he'd be an important arm on this team at some point. Sure hope it continues. He's had success against some of the lesser teams. No lesser teams in 2 weeks.
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Post by vokuhila on Sept 19, 2021 15:33:54 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Sept 19, 2021 15:41:24 GMT -5
Great win!
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Post by Guidas on Sept 19, 2021 15:42:03 GMT -5
The Texas rotation lines up decently as well for this series, no real trash starters. It’s similar to the Orioles where we missed Means and Ellis who are both solid (the Yankees got both of them haha) The Yankees so far have tripped over the bad teams over the past few weeks. They need to go 7-3 over the stretch where they play Minnesota, Baltimore, Cleveland and Texas and now they need a sweep of Texas to do this. I HOPE THE SUFFER!!!
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Post by incandenza on Sept 19, 2021 16:01:33 GMT -5
One of these days Renfroe will start running before admiring his hits... Disagree. I don't think he will ever do this.
Seriously, the coaches have to have gotten on him about this by now, no? And it's not like he's capable of learning from experience - he's stared and admired his own wall balls enough times to have established that.
Devers could stand to be reminded to run hard from time to time too. His jogging into home on that play where Dalbec got thrown out at third could have cost them a run if Dalbec had slid into third.
And while I'm in a complainy mood following this awesome sweep: what is with playing the left fielder soooo far off the line? It cost them again on Mancini's bases-clearing double: if Verdugo hadn't had to run in from Winthrop to retrieve the ball the third run might not have scored.
Anyway, cool win, Yankees are boned.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 19, 2021 16:07:35 GMT -5
Sneak previews of a longer post ...
I've been looking at and breaking down what might be called total clutch. That's the difference between actual and expected wins, the latter based on just raw hitting and pitching lines. It's a super-Pythagorean differential,as it also filters out karma on scoring and giving up runs.
So here's the rank of the four AL east contendors in:
Bullpen wOBA, Bullpen management (turning that talent into WPA) = overall bullpen rank (which is a serious contributor to total clutch), non-bullpen clutch which is almost all offense (I think), total clutch.
Rays have the #3 bullpen numbers, and the #8 management = best in MLB. They are just 14th in offense etc. clutch and hence 4th overall.
Sox are tied for 20th in pen numbers, are 3rd in management = 7th overall. They are 6th in offense clutch and 2nd in total clutch. (Mariners are of course #1: tied for 8th, 5th = 5th, 1st offense).
Jays have the 13th best pen and the 20th best management = 18th overall. They are 29th in offense clutch and 26th in total clutch. Translation: their gaudy offensive numbers are half mirage. It's destroying bad pitchers in blowouts.
Yankees ... I haven't already looked at them yet! Is that ever significant! That reminds me: I have to bake bread tonight or tomorrow. (Yes, because the Yankees are toast.)
Yankees are 5th in pen results but 19th in management = 10th overall. They're 12th in offensive clutch and 11th overall.
You will note that bullpen management -- getting your best pitchers into the highest leverage --seems more important than bullpen talent. Which means that there is more variation in management than in collecting talent.
In fact, bullpen wOBA allowed is not a factor at all in total clutch. Bullpen management is half of it.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 19, 2021 17:14:06 GMT -5
day off between each of the last series...good for the team (rest, regroup), not for us!
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Post by benzinger on Sept 19, 2021 17:19:17 GMT -5
Is it wrong that I find myself rooting for Toronto to win?
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 19, 2021 19:30:56 GMT -5
Is it wrong that I find myself rooting for Toronto to win? I don't think it's wrong right now because we'd love to see them grab a WC spot ahead of the MFY. But if we get down to the last few games and it's clear the MFYs' chances have diminished to de minimus, it'll be time to root against Toronto. We'll want the one-gamer to be at Fenway. Let's see how the young Toronto team reacts to that atmosphere.
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