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Red Sox vs. Rays 2021 ALDS Gameday Thread
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Post by benzinger on Oct 11, 2021 8:49:14 GMT -5
Here is a full list of Rays pitchers who were not used in this game:
-McClanahan -Baz -Wacha -McHugh
Wacha and Baz each threw more than 2 innings on Friday. McClanahan threw 5 innings on Thursday.
Cash has a heck of a puzzle to solve...
I would guess it’s McHugh with Wacha due to get a decent amount of work then. I’m not sure that’s how Cash would have drawn it up in an elimination game. Sox need to keep their foot on the gas and win tonight with the energy of the home crowd. That would also earn them a few days off.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 11, 2021 8:50:08 GMT -5
If we're voting for tomorrow's Ray's pitcher, Shakira has it right (along with a whole lotta stuff).
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 11, 2021 8:50:20 GMT -5
Pivettas intensity and Schwarbers personality won the fans over and I absolutely loved seeing it.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 11, 2021 8:53:37 GMT -5
Pivettas intensity and Schwarbers personality won the fans over and I absolutely loved seeing it. Pivetta's walks to the dugout were a rapid change from the mound persona.
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Post by benzinger on Oct 11, 2021 8:55:02 GMT -5
I don't know what the discussion is here. McClanahan in G4, Baz in G5. If Pivetta can throw 73 pitches on Thursday and pitch 4 innings YESTERDAY, McClanahan can start tomorrow and provide some innings. If the Rays win G4, the more pitchers they need to do it, the more Baz HAS to start G5. And anyway, if they trusted Baz to start G2, why would a little struggle cause them to go away from him in G5? This whole manufactured "quandry" for the Rays assumes they don't believe in the approach they are taking to managing pitching. Remember what I said many pages ago about questioning how the Rays' approach to pitching would hold up in the playoffs, and someone, rightfully so, pointed out "well, they won 100 games and were a better team using it? Don't knock it." Now is the time for them to trust the process. Yeah, this probably makes more sense than starting McHugh. McClanahan was nasty in game 1 and you’d rather go down with him there than anyone else(and then worry about game 5 later). Hopefully his velocity would be a little less with less rest, though. It didn’t really seem to bother Pivetta much. We’ll see.
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Post by cdj on Oct 11, 2021 8:58:22 GMT -5
I love me a good ol fashioned war of attrition
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Post by bigmarty58 on Oct 11, 2021 9:00:00 GMT -5
Our club has great chemistry with a smart skipper who doesn't overmanage. In times of crisis leadership and working as a collective team usually prevails. With all of that said tonight's game is a must win for Tampa, can they overcome and work through the Fenway Storm awaiting them, let's close it out tonight behind ERod!
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Post by benzinger on Oct 11, 2021 9:06:06 GMT -5
I told y’all not to worry about Arroyo, btw. When he’s healthy, he’s good. And he has a flair for the dramatic, too. He’s dangerous down there at #9, for sure.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 11, 2021 9:07:34 GMT -5
Kind of love Schwarber hamming it up there. That’s the kind of attitude winning teams have—light, loose, still having fun. It’s funny how (some) fans interpret this type of behavior. If we are winning it’s great to see, possibly even a contributor to the team’s success. During our rough stretches in August/September, if guys were caught on camera even smiling during a game we were losing, they were excoriated for not taking the game seriously enough. I’ve always wondered how the 2011 fried chicken and beer stories would have been interpreted by fans and media if the team had won games on the field. I don’t think you need to wonder. It was Millar’s idea to do shots before game 7 of the 2004 ALCS and one of the players that reportedly did it was Damon who hit a grand slam.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 11, 2021 9:09:25 GMT -5
Pivettas intensity and Schwarbers personality won the fans over and I absolutely loved seeing it. Pivetta's walks to the dugout were a rapid change from the mound persona. How pumped up were the Sox in the duggout watching that. I think the Sox have all the momentum right now and it will carry over into tonights game. Sox with 35 hits and 20 runs over 2 games.... hot is an understatement.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 11, 2021 9:09:50 GMT -5
So - in the world of sliding expectations - with the Sox up 2-1 and the key game today at home - would we be disappointed if we didn't win today - if not today, game 5 in Tampa - to move on? Or will we say "well, we didn't expect this, great season, I'm OK"?
This long time, old guy Red Sox fan would be really disappointed, that's for sure. Cora has them right where he wants them!
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 11, 2021 9:10:15 GMT -5
Kind of love Schwarber hamming it up there. That’s the kind of attitude winning teams have—light, loose, still having fun. It’s funny how (some) fans interpret this type of behavior. If we are winning it’s great to see, possibly even a contributor to the team’s success. During our rough stretches in August/September, if guys were caught on camera even smiling during a game we were losing, they were excoriated for not taking the game seriously enough. I’ve always wondered how the 2011 fried chicken and beer stories would have been interpreted by fans and media if the team had won games on the field. Yep. Just one win by that team was the difference between "they win because they don't take themselves too seriously" and "they lose because they don't take it seriously enough."
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Post by benzinger on Oct 11, 2021 9:11:01 GMT -5
It’s funny how (some) fans interpret this type of behavior. If we are winning it’s great to see, possibly even a contributor to the team’s success. During our rough stretches in August/September, if guys were caught on camera even smiling during a game we were losing, they were excoriated for not taking the game seriously enough. I’ve always wondered how the 2011 fried chicken and beer stories would have been interpreted by fans and media if the team had won games on the field. I don’t think you need to wonder. It was Millar’s idea to do shots before game 7 of the 2004 ALCS and one of the players that reportedly did it was Damon who hit a grand slam. Everyone likes an “idiot”, as long as they are winning!
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Post by benzinger on Oct 11, 2021 9:17:04 GMT -5
So - in the world of sliding expectations - with the Sox up 2-1 and the key game today at home - would we be disappointed if we didn't win today - if not today, game 5 in Tampa - to move on? Or will we say "well, we didn't expect this, great season, I'm OK"? This long time, old guy Red Sox fan would be really disappointed, that's for sure. Cora has them right where he wants them! Going into the postseason, I was one of those that just wanted to see the Sox beat the Yankees and I would have considered the season to be a success. I didn’t think they would beat a 100-win Rays team that almost won the WS last year and was the best team in the AL all year. Especially seeing the way they handled the Sox this season. But after seeing what has transpired over the last few days, I am greedy and I want more. If they squander this lead, it would really hurt. They’ve made a believer out of me.
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Post by curtisw on Oct 11, 2021 9:21:22 GMT -5
Hard to get a good night’s sleep with the Sox delivering so many electrifying wins lately. Hoping to wake up tired tomorrow!
Would be lying if I said I wasn’t a little nervous about Eduardo, but no sense it seems to me in doing anything other than simply rooting hard for him and hoping he can stun everyone and deliver a memorable performance to help seal this series. We know he is capable of it. If he even just delivered something like his start in the WS against LA, while maybe not “memorable” like I mentioned above, would do the job well tonight.
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Post by stevedillard on Oct 11, 2021 9:22:23 GMT -5
There has to be some benefit to seeing a guy not tight even in the playoffs. The Joe Montana/John Candy, Pete Rose/Petrocelli? moments.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 11, 2021 9:24:31 GMT -5
So - in the world of sliding expectations - with the Sox up 2-1 and the key game today at home - would we be disappointed if we didn't win today - if not today, game 5 in Tampa - to move on? Or will we say "well, we didn't expect this, great season, I'm OK"? This long time, old guy Red Sox fan would be really disappointed, that's for sure. Cora has them right where he wants them! I'd be disappointed if they don't win the series and I'd hate to see them let a late lead slip away if that's how they were to go down, but I wouldn't be devastated. Beyond the low expectations to start the season no matter what happens the Sox, not expected to make the playoffs - made the playoffs (that's nice) and THEN they ended the Yankees' season and made an arrogant fanbase miserable. That's a fact no matter what else happens, so even if things don't work out with Tampa, the season is a success. I'll feel like the season worked out well. I mean, the ultimate goal is to win the World Series and for this Sox team to accomplish this, they'd have to win 4 post-season series in which they are the underdog. It was a hardly a sure thing they'd make the playoff even though every thing was lined up for them to make it easy. They were an underdog to the Yankees based on the way the Yankees had handled them in the second half and that the Yankees had been about 10 games better than them in the second half. They are rightfully underdogs to the defending AL champion 100 win Rays who handled the Sox well during the regular season and if Houston knocks off Chicago, the Sox will be underdogs to a team that had about the same runs scored/runs allowed ratio as the Rays did even if they underachieved a bit, and if the Sox somehow knock them off they'd likely find themselves the underdog against the Dodgers or Giants. I would guess the Sox would be even money against the Chicago White Sox or Milwaukee Brewers if they played and probably a favorite if it wound up Atlanta in the World Series. But the likely path is NYY/Tampa/Houston/LA or SF - and to expect the Sox to travel that path and conquer all is kind of crazy, so if they can't do that there's no shame in it at this point - and that's not saying that it's impossible for the Red Sox to accomplish, just highly unlikely. But either way the 2021 Sox have done good. Let's hope they can continue to shock and amaze, hopefully 9 more times. They're playing with the house's money now.
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Post by natesp4 on Oct 11, 2021 9:34:38 GMT -5
Hard to get a good night’s sleep with the Sox delivering so many electrifying wins lately. Hoping to wake up tired tomorrow! Would be lying if I said I wasn’t a little nervous about Eduardo, but no sense it seems to me in doing anything other than simply rooting hard for him and hoping he can stun everyone and deliver a memorable performance to help seal this series. We know he is capable of it. If he even just delivered something like his start in the WS against LA, while maybe not “memorable” like I mentioned above, would do the job well tonight. I was at last night's game and after getting home at 12:30am, I just sat there wide awake for 3 hours still high off that ending. Hands down most fun game I've ever been to.
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Post by malynn19 on Oct 11, 2021 9:48:29 GMT -5
Tonight will be E-Rod and Renfroe winning it for us.
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Post by curtisw on Oct 11, 2021 9:54:22 GMT -5
Hard to get a good night’s sleep with the Sox delivering so many electrifying wins lately. Hoping to wake up tired tomorrow! Would be lying if I said I wasn’t a little nervous about Eduardo, but no sense it seems to me in doing anything other than simply rooting hard for him and hoping he can stun everyone and deliver a memorable performance to help seal this series. We know he is capable of it. If he even just delivered something like his start in the WS against LA, while maybe not “memorable” like I mentioned above, would do the job well tonight. I was at last night's game and after getting home at 12:30am, I just sat there wide awake for 3 hours still high off that ending. Hands down most fun game I've ever been to. It’s the best feeling. I went to game 2 of the 2013 ALCS and after Salty walked us off, the crowd just sort of marched around Fenway for a half hour in pure jubilation. People just didn’t know what to do with their energy and that electric good feeling, so we marched in a circle around the park. Gotta love it. Glad you had a blast last night!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 11, 2021 10:01:20 GMT -5
Hard to get a good night’s sleep with the Sox delivering so many electrifying wins lately. Hoping to wake up tired tomorrow! Would be lying if I said I wasn’t a little nervous about Eduardo, but no sense it seems to me in doing anything other than simply rooting hard for him and hoping he can stun everyone and deliver a memorable performance to help seal this series. We know he is capable of it. If he even just delivered something like his start in the WS against LA, while maybe not “memorable” like I mentioned above, would do the job well tonight. E-Rod was usually good E-Rod/bad E-Rod. We got the bad E-Rod last time out. Maybe we see the good E-Rod this time out. A scoreless first inning would be a nice start. The Sox haven't managed that this series. Maybe they're due for one. I think he'll be a good deal better than he was last time. For the Sox' sake I hope he is. Hard to keep using starters for as long in relief as they have. They might get away with it in a 5 game series. I'd think it's tougher in a 7 game series. It seems like when the rotation struggles the pen has been good, but when the rotation does well the pen struggles. Doesn't feel like both the rotation and pen have been in sync all year, but it does keep them in a lot of games.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 11, 2021 10:07:19 GMT -5
I would be disappointed if we lost but let’s not forget how sweet spanking the MFYs was after they traded 5 of their top 25 prospects for Gallo and Rizzo. They did what they needed to and then some this year.
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Post by benzinger on Oct 11, 2021 10:13:19 GMT -5
McHugh is now listed as the starter for TB.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 11, 2021 10:27:16 GMT -5
McHugh is now listed as the starter for TB. Hope to see Wacha and Fleming tonight, too, although more likely it's Baz and the bullpen brigade.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 11, 2021 10:28:08 GMT -5
So - in the world of sliding expectations - with the Sox up 2-1 and the key game today at home - would we be disappointed if we didn't win today - if not today, game 5 in Tampa - to move on? Or will we say "well, we didn't expect this, great season, I'm OK"? This long time, old guy Red Sox fan would be really disappointed, that's for sure. Cora has them right where he wants them! Expectations change as the season goes on. And now they change as the playoffs go on. The answer to the question can also be answered in retrospect. Right now a series loss would suck as they are up one with a game tonight at home to close it out in which they should be favorites. I think they are going to win tonight but if they don't and lose the series I will be disappointed but satisfied they had a very good season. A season in which they struck gold with some players that will be low cost with solid contributions for next year. Between the draft, the farm system, some good moves and the season I think they have provided the fans with a great season.
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