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Post by foreverred9 on Oct 20, 2021 11:45:25 GMT -5
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Post by greatscottcooper on Oct 20, 2021 11:49:51 GMT -5
Whoever wins tonight wins the series…
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if Houston wins tonight it’s still anyone’s series.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 20, 2021 11:52:07 GMT -5
I believe that whoever wins tonight will have a ~75% chance of winning the series.
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Post by benzinger on Oct 20, 2021 12:02:17 GMT -5
Methinks this series is going 7 games.
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 20, 2021 12:04:07 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 20, 2021 12:35:31 GMT -5
They really need to allow the challenge of a strike out or a walk in their 2 challenges. Strike 1 or 2 or balls 1,2, or 3 no, but strike 3 or ball 4, yes. That game flipped because of horrendous calls.
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Post by benzinger on Oct 20, 2021 12:41:50 GMT -5
They really need to allow the challenge of a strike out or a walk in their 2 challenges. Strike 1 or 2 or balls 1,2, or 3 no, but strike 3 or ball 4, yes. That game flipped because of horrendous calls. Just go to the robot umps. Tennis has used this technology for 30 years. If baseball hopes to have any credibility going forward, they need to take humans out of the ball/strike calling. It’s not 1957 anymore.
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Post by greenmonster on Oct 20, 2021 12:56:27 GMT -5
They really need to allow the challenge of a strike out or a walk in their 2 challenges. Strike 1 or 2 or balls 1,2, or 3 no, but strike 3 or ball 4, yes. That game flipped because of horrendous calls. Just go to the robot umps. Tennis has used this technology for 30 years. If baseball hopes to have any credibility going forward, they need to take humans out of the ball/strike calling. It’s not 1957 anymore. The fact that MLB allows their statistically worst umpire to get behind the plate in a playoff game is mind boggling. The best umpires should be utilized...period. On any given night they have 15 umpiring crews of 4 each which means there is a minimum of 60 umpires to chose from, and they let this piece of crap get behind the plate.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 20, 2021 13:04:13 GMT -5
Tough game in a few ways. Sox get 7 walks then go 0-9 with risp and leave 11 on base. The ump screwed them pretty badly. In hindsight shouldn't have used Eovaldi.
Just have to move on and get after them tonight. Not sure how that Stros pen has held up this far and it is time to put them out of their misery.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 20, 2021 13:04:30 GMT -5
What is so odd about the key two missed strike calls that Eovaldi got screwed on is that no one seemed to want to touch it - Buck and Smoltz acted as if it didn't happen. Today I am reading self congrat columns on the Astros great inning - with no mention.
Umpiring like this is indeed an embarrassment - and no one seems to like to talk about embarrassments.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 20, 2021 13:09:23 GMT -5
You guys are pretty tough on Renfroe. Sure their are guys who would have made that catch but I suggest their are even more who wouldn't have. We all know RF in Fenway is more than difficult and he has had his moments, good and bad. With his arm and his bat he is more than a platoon player.
I think he will be even better next year.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 20, 2021 13:23:26 GMT -5
Tough game in a few ways. Sox get 7 walks then go 0-9 with risp and leave 11 on base. The ump screwed them pretty badly. In hindsight shouldn't have used Eovaldi.Just have to move on and get after them tonight. Not sure how that Stros pen has held up this far and it is time to put them out of their misery. I think there at least wasn't much cost to using Eovaldi. We know he's not going more than twice through the order in his start anyway, and likely won't come close to 100 pitches. I certainly wouldn't have been thrilled about bringing in... any of the other available bullpen options in that situation. (Houck would have been fine for the situation, but I'm glad they held him back for today, and if using Eovaldi was what allowed them to do that, it was worth it.)
On the other hand... If, late in life, I cross paths with Alex Cora wandering in the desert, I will offer him water, thank him for all he did for the organization, and ask him why the hell he refuses to treat one-run deficits as high-level situations. The Red Sox still had an 18% win probability when Perez came in - that's not a game you give up on! In the playoffs, no less!!
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Post by incandenza on Oct 20, 2021 13:27:45 GMT -5
You guys are pretty tough on Renfroe. Sure their are guys who would have made that catch but I suggest their are even more who wouldn't have. We all know RF in Fenway is more than difficult and he has had his moments, good and bad. With his arm and his bat he is more than a platoon player. I think he will be even better next year. Renfroe has a very high highlight:value ratio. Lots of moonshots, throws guys out... but had a .315 OBP and, as mentioned by others, very inconsistent defensive play. It all added up to about a 2 WAR season, which is the definition of average.
Nothing wrong with an average player had for relatively cheap, but if Bloom sees an opportunity to improve that position on the roster I'm sure he will.
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Oct 20, 2021 13:35:47 GMT -5
Feeling a good game today from the boys
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 20, 2021 13:36:25 GMT -5
You guys are pretty tough on Renfroe. Sure their are guys who would have made that catch but I suggest their are even more who wouldn't have. We all know RF in Fenway is more than difficult and he has had his moments, good and bad. With his arm and his bat he is more than a platoon player. I think he will be even better next year. Renfroe has a very high highlight:value ratio. Lots of moonshots, throws guys out... but had a .315 OBP and, as mentioned by others, very inconsistent defensive play. It all added up to about a 2 WAR season, which is the definition of average.
Nothing wrong with an average player had for relatively cheap, but if Bloom sees an opportunity to improve that position on the roster I'm sure he will.
I thought the definition of a average player was 0 WAR.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 20, 2021 13:45:29 GMT -5
Renfroe has a very high highlight:value ratio. Lots of moonshots, throws guys out... but had a .315 OBP and, as mentioned by others, very inconsistent defensive play. It all added up to about a 2 WAR season, which is the definition of average.
Nothing wrong with an average player had for relatively cheap, but if Bloom sees an opportunity to improve that position on the roster I'm sure he will.
I thought the definition of a average player was 0 WAR. Nope, 0 WAR is replacement level. 2 WAR is about average.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 20, 2021 13:49:48 GMT -5
One last thing about Renfroe. Look at his defensive metrics from 2019, hmmmm a much better fielder than he has shown.
Once again I will say he could be even better next year.
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Post by joemayosparty on Oct 20, 2021 13:50:12 GMT -5
They really need to allow the challenge of a strike out or a walk in their 2 challenges. Strike 1 or 2 or balls 1,2, or 3 no, but strike 3 or ball 4, yes. That game flipped because of horrendous calls. Just go to the robot umps. Tennis has used this technology for 30 years. If baseball hopes to have any credibility going forward, they need to take humans out of the ball/strike calling. It’s not 1957 anymore.
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Post by joemayosparty on Oct 20, 2021 13:53:18 GMT -5
For someone who doesn't follow things as closely as most people on this board could someone please explain how robo umps would work? I get the balls and strikes calls, but how about plays at the plate, foul ball calls, balks, and probably some things I'm not thinking of.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 20, 2021 13:55:00 GMT -5
I thought the definition of a average player was 0 WAR. Nope, 0 WAR is replacement level. 2 WAR is about average. Well the average player doesn't have an OPS of 816 or 31 HRs or lead the league in OF assists. OK I'm done with my Renfroe love
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 20, 2021 13:56:47 GMT -5
For someone who doesn't follow things as closely as most people on this board could someone please explain how robo umps would work? I get the balls and strikes calls, but how about plays at the plate, foul ball calls, balks, and probably some things I'm not thinking of. You would still have an umpire behind the plate, the robo would be telling him the call on balls and strikes.
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Oct 20, 2021 13:58:44 GMT -5
For someone who doesn't follow things as closely as most people on this board could someone please explain how robo umps would work? I get the balls and strikes calls, but how about plays at the plate, foul ball calls, balks, and probably some things I'm not thinking of. My guess the ump would have a buzzer to tell him balls or strikes - kind of like Altuve a few years ago (jkjk)
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Post by incandenza on Oct 20, 2021 14:10:27 GMT -5
Nope, 0 WAR is replacement level. 2 WAR is about average. Well the average player doesn't have an OPS of 816 or 31 HRs or lead the league in OF assists. OK I'm done with my Renfroe love You can selectively cite OPS to make him look better if you want, because it overweights slugging and underweights OBP. And you can credit him with all the assists without noting that he fails to catch the ball reliably enough. But it all comes out as average in the wash.
That's to say nothing about whether he might improve next season. Maybe you're right that he will.
And again, like I said - nothing wrong with an average player at below-market cost!
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Post by Guidas on Oct 20, 2021 14:30:34 GMT -5
One last thing about Renfroe. Look at his defensive metrics from 2019, hmmmm a much better fielder than he has shown. Once again I will say he could be even better next year. Agree, but all that matters is now. He's kind of shrunken since the Tampa series.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 20, 2021 14:31:24 GMT -5
For someone who doesn't follow things as closely as most people on this board could someone please explain how robo umps would work? I get the balls and strikes calls, but how about plays at the plate, foul ball calls, balks, and probably some things I'm not thinking of. My guess the ump would have a buzzer to tell him balls or strikes - kind of like Altuve a few years ago (jkjk) I'd be down with a shock collar around the neck or some other tender area. If they get a call wrong - ZAP!
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