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Red Sox vs. Astros 2021 ALCS Gameday Thread
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Post by congusgambler33 on Oct 15, 2021 23:26:44 GMT -5
I really don't understand the thinking in putting Sawamura in for that situation. He has been very iffy of late and with 1 run down he proved to be exactly that. That was one cheap run that they scored and it proved to be the winner. I trust in Cora to do the right thing but in this case I think he was just wrong.
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Post by fenwaydouble on Oct 15, 2021 23:26:55 GMT -5
Honestly, the Xander hate is infuriating. He came into tonight hitting .350/.435/.650 in the playoffs. He got on base twice tonight. Yeah, he stranded a guy in scoring position and had a lousy at-bat his next time up, but that was true of half the team. He's been at the core of the squad for years, he took a team friendly deal because he actually wants to be in Boston, and he consistently puts up all-star numbers. You're just the worst kind of fan if you're fantasizing about dumping him.
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Post by greenmonster on Oct 15, 2021 23:27:41 GMT -5
You know it was Cora who put Sawamura in Point was Xander, Raffy, Sale, Houck and others were not great in this game. Agreed.....Have a good night. Tomorrow is another day
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 15, 2021 23:29:09 GMT -5
Yeah Cora made some not good decisions tonight, but where we lost the game was not scoring off the middle relievers
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 15, 2021 23:29:24 GMT -5
Honestly, the Xander hate is infuriating. He came into tonight hitting .350/.435/.650 in the playoffs. He got on base twice tonight. Yeah, he stranded a guy in scoring position and had a lousy at-bat his next time up, but that was true of half the team. He's been at the core of the squad for years, he took a team friendly deal because he actually wants to be in Boston, and he consistently puts up all-star numbers. You're just the worst kind of fan if you're fantasizing about dumping him. you might just @me bro lmao
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Oct 15, 2021 23:30:38 GMT -5
I thought they had all 13 pitchers available for 1 & 2. Maybe ERod needs a full 7 days.
Just go with your best 9 pitchers.
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Post by fenwaydouble on Oct 15, 2021 23:30:52 GMT -5
Honestly, the Xander hate is infuriating. He came into tonight hitting .350/.435/.650 in the playoffs. He got on base twice tonight. Yeah, he stranded a guy in scoring position and had a lousy at-bat his next time up, but that was true of half the team. He's been at the core of the squad for years, he took a team friendly deal because he actually wants to be in Boston, and he consistently puts up all-star numbers. You're just the worst kind of fan if you're fantasizing about dumping him. you might just @me bro lmao You're not the only one in that camp, unfortunately.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 23:31:26 GMT -5
He can opt out after next year. Contract is up after 2025 lowkey hoping he chooses to opt out I second that not a clutch hitter he has his moments, but not worth the 30 million he will command.
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Post by cdj on Oct 15, 2021 23:32:43 GMT -5
Bats got complacent. They won’t be tomorrow
Plus I’m going back to that cigar bar, it’s good luck
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Oct 15, 2021 23:33:03 GMT -5
Yeah Cora made some not good decisions tonight, but where we lost the game was not scoring off the middle relievers Seems like we always have that one big inning were we get the lead but don't blow it open, at least the past few games.
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 15, 2021 23:33:09 GMT -5
you might just @me bro lmao You're not the only one in that camp, unfortunately. is fantasizing about him opting out better than fantasizing about straight up dumping him? Cuz if it is then I’m safe
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 15, 2021 23:34:10 GMT -5
lowkey hoping he chooses to opt out I second that not a clutch hitter he has his moments, but not worth the 30 million he will command. and the defense
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Post by 07redsox on Oct 15, 2021 23:36:02 GMT -5
lowkey hoping he chooses to opt out I second that not a clutch hitter he has his moments, but not worth the 30 million he will command. The $30 million he will command? He’s signed for $20 million... Also love the claim that he’s not a clutch hitter. What is that even supposed to mean? I’m willing to bet there’s plenty of stats out there that prove that to be completely false.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 15, 2021 23:36:25 GMT -5
Maybe the headline is that Sale is just not what he was, can be, or we need him to be - and probably will be again next year. Labored through to get only 8 outs.
Not sure what he is at this point, with 3 ineffective starts in a row - an opener? bring him out of the pen?
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 15, 2021 23:37:15 GMT -5
Maybe the headline is that Sale is just not what he was, can be, or we need him to be. Labored through to get only 8 outs. Not sure what he is at this point, with 3 ineffective starts in a row - an opener? bring him out of the pen? pen guy to me honestly, especially against that lineup
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 15, 2021 23:37:18 GMT -5
Only problem tonight really was Sawamura. Either let Houck go an extra inning or go to Darwinzon if you want to raise the white flag. Sawamura’s peripherals in the second half have been trash. Honestly at this point they should have called up a random Triple-A pitcher like Seabold or Bazardo or Barnes smh
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 15, 2021 23:38:10 GMT -5
Only problem tonight really was Sawamura. Either let Houck go an extra inning or go to Darwinzon if you want to raise the white flag. Sawamura’s peripherals in the second half have been trash. Honestly at this point they should have called up a random Triple-A pitcher like Seabold or Bazardo or Barnes smh maybe they really like his bullpen sessions
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Post by tizzle on Oct 15, 2021 23:42:51 GMT -5
Honestly, the Xander hate is infuriating. He came into tonight hitting .350/.435/.650 in the playoffs. He got on base twice tonight. Yeah, he stranded a guy in scoring position and had a lousy at-bat his next time up, but that was true of half the team. He's been at the core of the squad for years, he took a team friendly deal because he actually wants to be in Boston, and he consistently puts up all-star numbers. You're just the worst kind of fan if you're fantasizing about dumping him. So, I'm very open to moving him because the infield defense is a major issue, and with Devers being a better long-term option for the club, letting Bogaerts leave is kind fo the only wya it gets fixed. There's a bunch of good FA SSs this year, and Xander is going to opt-out next year and get huge money that I'd rather not pay. This year they have the option of getting something for him while replacing him with someone better defensively at least and comparable offensively. He's not a bad player. I don't hate him. But he has been coming up small the last few games. He had been pretty mediocre down the stretch and then had a couple of good games to start the postseason but now has cooled right back off again. And seeing him trying to pull everything and constantly grounding out because fo it is extremely frustrating. BTW, he signed a really good contract for him at the time, which gave him one of the higher salaries at the time, long-term security if he didn't play well or got hurt, and the option to get out and get more 2 years into it, which he will take advantage of. He didn't sign anything out of the goodness of his heart. He took a good deal, as he should have.
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Post by kjkramer on Oct 15, 2021 23:43:39 GMT -5
Houck should have gone 2-3
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 23:44:58 GMT -5
I second that not a clutch hitter he has his moments, but not worth the 30 million he will command. The $30 million he will command? He’s signed for $20 million... Also love the claim that he’s not a clutch hitter. What is that even supposed to mean? I’m willing to bet there’s plenty of stats out there that prove that to be completely false. Yes at 20 million keep him but when he option out and ask for 30 million I would pass. I don't need a piece of paper to judge a baseball player. Analytics is a tool not a rule.
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 15, 2021 23:45:18 GMT -5
Maybe the headline is that Sale is just not what he was, can be, or we need him to be - and probably will be again next year. Labored through to get only 8 outs. Not sure what he is at this point, with 3 ineffective starts in a row - an opener? bring him out of the pen? I might be crazy, but I was encouraged by his progress tonight. Struck out Altuve on a nice slider, decent command fastball glove-side, and a passable changeup. He fastball command was a big one and he was squeezed a bit. I want to see him with Plawecki next time, like please just try it given that Sale never shakes off (which kinda annoys me with the constant adjustments people make these days). The fastball command was much better than the last month, it is a big step forward and I could see him stepping up big at Fenway in a 4-5 inning stint (probably in a Houck start with Houck at a strict 60 pitch limit). Totally agree with everyone thinking about Pivetta as the best relief option
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 15, 2021 23:47:57 GMT -5
Get out of here with this Bogaerts hate.
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Oct 15, 2021 23:49:13 GMT -5
Only problem tonight really was Sawamura. Either let Houck go an extra inning or go to Darwinzon if you want to raise the white flag. Sawamura’s peripherals in the second half have been trash. Honestly at this point they should have called up a random Triple-A pitcher like Seabold or Bazardo or Barnes smh Houck honestly hasn't looked great his past few outings, you don't stretch him multiple innings especially in game 1 after hanging that pitch to Altuve... Also didn't have a serious problem with any of the moves tonight like a few here do, the guys just didn't perform in the end. You're going to see Cora be much more aggressive tomorrow with Pivetta/and or E-Rod coming out of the pen and Whitlock for two innings potentially. If we go back to Fenway 1-1 we're in great shape.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 15, 2021 23:51:52 GMT -5
Maybe the headline is that Sale is just not what he was, can be, or we need him to be - and probably will be again next year. Labored through to get only 8 outs. Not sure what he is at this point, with 3 ineffective starts in a row - an opener? bring him out of the pen? I might be crazy, but I was encouraged by his progress tonight. Struck out Altuve on a nice slider, decent command fastball glove-side, and a passable changeup. He fastball command was a big one and he was squeezed a bit. I want to see him with Plawecki next time, like please just try it given that Sale never shakes off (which kinda annoys me with the constant adjustments people make these days). The fastball command was much better than the last month, it is a big step forward and I could see him stepping up big at Fenway in a 4-5 inning stint (probably in a Houck start with Houck at a strict 60 pitch limit). Totally agree with everyone thinking about Pivetta as the best relief option 61 pitches to get 8 outs is tough. 5 hits and a walk, only 2 K, 1 run Prior start 30 pitches to get 6 outs, 4 hits, a walk, 2 Ks and 5 runs Prior to that 62 pitches to get 7 outs, 4 hits, 3 walks, 7 Ks, 2 runs My feeling is that he is at a plateau. Last time he went 5 was Sept 28. However - I hope you are right. I really didn't like the way he looked - demeanor, seemed frustrated to me.
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 15, 2021 23:53:20 GMT -5
Honestly, the Xander hate is infuriating. He came into tonight hitting .350/.435/.650 in the playoffs. He got on base twice tonight. Yeah, he stranded a guy in scoring position and had a lousy at-bat his next time up, but that was true of half the team. He's been at the core of the squad for years, he took a team friendly deal because he actually wants to be in Boston, and he consistently puts up all-star numbers. You're just the worst kind of fan if you're fantasizing about dumping him. So, I'm very open to moving him because the infield defense is a major issue, and with Devers being a better long-term option for the club, letting Bogaerts leave is kind fo the only wya it gets fixed. There's a bunch of good FA SSs this year, and Xander is going to opt-out next year and get huge money that I'd rather not pay. This year they have the option of getting something for him while replacing him with someone better defensively at least and comparable offensively. He's not a bad player. I don't hate him. But he has been coming up small the last few games. He had been pretty mediocre down the stretch and then had a couple of good games to start the postseason but now has cooled right back off again. And seeing him trying to pull everything and constantly grounding out because fo it is extremely frustrating. BTW, he signed a really good contract for him at the time, which gave him one of the higher salaries at the time, long-term security if he didn't play well or got hurt, and the option to get out and get more 2 years into it, which he will take advantage of. He didn't sign anything out of the goodness of his heart. He took a good deal, as he should have. Yes this. It’s analogous to the problem the Yankees are having. They have a bunch of players like Torres who hamstring them and make it hard to construct the rest of the team. If we get a competent defensive SS it stabilizes our pitching. Most of us forget the effect Orlando Cabrera had after we got rid of Nomar. Nomar was the face of the franchise at that point before Papi’s magic and it was a kick in the gut when we traded him. Xander would be playable defensively if we had prime Nolan Arenado at 3rd. I love Xander, great person, but he’s going to end up hurting this team like Jeter hurt the Yankees. He can still help us win this series, but it’s definitely a handicap
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