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Post by kjkramer on Oct 14, 2021 13:28:41 GMT -5
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Oct 14, 2021 13:33:51 GMT -5
Hopefully he's healthy long term, he's a very talented pitcher. But in the short term of this series that makes a huge difference for the Sox chances of potentially taking the pennant.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 14, 2021 14:33:15 GMT -5
Unsurprisingly, Valdez game 1, Garcia game 2.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 14, 2021 14:35:06 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 14, 2021 14:44:35 GMT -5
There’s an interesting article on the athletic saying Eovaldi may have helped gotten Sale back on track by spotting a couple of mechanical issues with his delivery, I guess we’ll see From today's Globe (nobody else reads it but me, eh?), quoting Cora yesterday
Guardedly optimistic. I think he starts game 3, with Pivetta in game 4, and if they both have short outings, well, that's why Perez will likely be on the roster.
(Eovaldi 3 times doesn't work at all. His 4 career outings on short rest were all after a relief appearance or being shelled in 2 IP or so. And pitching 1 and 5 sets him up to do the same thing in the WS, rather than 3 and a 7 you may not get to.)
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Post by vokuhila on Oct 14, 2021 14:58:49 GMT -5
Unsurprisingly, Valdez game 1, Garcia game 2. Valdez is such a bizarre pitcher. 70.3 GB% (highest in the majors with 100IP+) 4.73 GB/FB (next best is Logan Webb with 3.26) but if you put one in the air... 21.4% HR/FB (5th highest in the majors with 100IP+) So he is kind of Greg Maddux...but also absolutely not...
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 14, 2021 15:00:17 GMT -5
But that projection is with:
Kiké Hernandez as a 110 wRC+ hitter this year, when he was 72 on June 15 and 150 afterwards ...
Hunter Renfroe as a 114 when he was 61 on May 25 and 133 afterwards.
And both of those guys made demonstrable, novel changes in their approach, changes that were planned for them when they were signed as upside projects.
It also has Bobby Dalbec as a 107 when he was 70 on August 7 and 188 afterwards. Granted, that's a different thing altogether, and he likely only starts against Framber.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 14, 2021 15:22:24 GMT -5
There’s an interesting article on the athletic saying Eovaldi may have helped gotten Sale back on track by spotting a couple of mechanical issues with his delivery, I guess we’ll see From today's Globe (nobody else reads it but me, eh?), quoting Cora yesterday
Guardedly optimistic. I think he starts game 3, with Pivetta in game 4, and if they both have short outings, well, that's why Perez will likely be on the roster.
(Eovaldi 3 times doesn't work at all. His 4 career outings on short rest were all after a relief appearance or being shelled in 2 IP or so. And pitching 1 and 5 sets him up to do the same thing in the WS, rather than 3 and a 7 you may not get to.)
Hope Sale has indeed found it. They need that. With Eovaldi, yes he starts Game 1 and 5 but I wouldn't be shocked at all if he was their 8th inning reliever if they're trying to protect a lead in a potential Game 7.
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Post by patford on Oct 14, 2021 15:27:39 GMT -5
It's likely he's in need of a 2nd Tommy John so "sweet" isn't the right word.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 14, 2021 15:33:02 GMT -5
To be fair the tweet mentions nothing about Tommy John or even what is ailing Mccullers.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 14, 2021 15:34:03 GMT -5
It's likely he's in need of a 2nd Tommy John so "sweet" isn't the right word. Hopefully not, maybe they caught it quick enough to minimize the damage. It certainly looks like he will be out of this series, the Sox may have dodged a major bullet. The addition of a "found it in the pen" Sale combined with the McCuller injury is quite the turn. edit. Just read a report that his forearm is badly swollen, not good. We will find out if he is held off the roster soon enough.
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Post by kjkramer on Oct 14, 2021 15:54:16 GMT -5
It's likely he's in need of a 2nd Tommy John so "sweet" isn't the right word. It clearly said "short term". If it said long term or hinted at TJ again, I would obviously not have used the word "sweet,". It also mentioned PROBABLY out for this series. Nothing about that sounds serious or long term. It is definitely sweet he might miss our series. I stand by that verbage based on the info I have.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 14, 2021 16:10:10 GMT -5
I'll also add that it's not yet likely he needs Tommy John just because he has a tight forearm and got an mri. I know we're kind of trained at this point when we see forearm and mri to jump to that conclusion but sometimes I wish that wasn't the case as it's not worth jumping to conclusions with injuries.
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Post by kjkramer on Oct 14, 2021 16:41:59 GMT -5
Did I hear right that Sale has been named Game 1 starter? I hope it is a false report? If it is..... better have Houck ready from 1st pitch.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 14, 2021 16:47:09 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 14, 2021 16:50:16 GMT -5
Did I hear right that Sale has been named Game 1 starter? I hope it is a false report? If it is..... better have Houck ready from 1st pitch. Yeah, I heard that too. I guess the logic is if he's a mess they could use Pivetta in long relief and give him recovery time to make a Game 4 start. Hopefully Sale pitches must better and if he is effective he becomes a Game 7 relief option if necessary. That would probably eliminate Eovaldi as a Game 7 relief option as he would start Games 2 and 6 if need be. Looks like E-Rod should be the Game 3 and potential Game 7 starter.
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Post by patford on Oct 14, 2021 16:59:29 GMT -5
I'll also add that it's not yet likely he needs Tommy John just because he has a tight forearm and got an mri. I know we're kind of trained at this point when we see forearm and mri to jump to that conclusion but sometimes I wish that wasn't the case as it's not worth jumping to conclusions with injuries. If the exact same tweet was about Chris Sale the only words I would see are: "...great concern..."
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 14, 2021 17:11:00 GMT -5
I'll also add that it's not yet likely he needs Tommy John just because he has a tight forearm and got an mri. I know we're kind of trained at this point when we see forearm and mri to jump to that conclusion but sometimes I wish that wasn't the case as it's not worth jumping to conclusions with injuries. If the exact same tweet was about Chris Sale the only words I would see are: "...great concern..." I know and it's almost how we've been trained over the years because yes it's just about always the precursor to TJ but sometimes a tight forearm does end up just being that.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 14, 2021 17:48:21 GMT -5
Doubt Sale at your own risk...just sayin'.
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Oct 14, 2021 17:54:41 GMT -5
I think starting Sale in Houston is a mistake but Cora did say they might of had a breakthrough - honestly at the point were whatever Alex decides to do i'm good with. He's that great of a manager IMO...
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 14, 2021 18:31:08 GMT -5
Yes (as listed in the header post)
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 14, 2021 18:44:53 GMT -5
Unless he magically "found" another 4-5 MPH on the FB and a better changeup, I don't like it. This means they're counting on him to pitch twice. I was hoping to use him in game 4 and then as a short - and I do mean short - reliever later on. He might be useful in a carefully-chosen spot against Alvarez, Brantley or Tucker.
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Post by manfred on Oct 14, 2021 19:02:26 GMT -5
Unless he magically "found" another 4-5 MPH on the FB and a better changeup, I don't like it. This means they're counting on him to pitch twice. I was hoping to use him in game 4 and then as a short - and I do mean short - reliever later on. He might be useful in a carefully-chosen spot against Alvarez, Brantley or Tucker. Wouldn’t +5 have him touching 100? I think he can get by without that.
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Post by jmei on Oct 14, 2021 19:21:49 GMT -5
Yeah, Sale’s velo in recent games is off less than 1 mph from his Boston peak. He’s not the same pitcher he was in 2018, but this idea that he had some big velo drop is a myth.
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Post by patford on Oct 14, 2021 19:24:29 GMT -5
Unless he magically "found" another 4-5 MPH on the FB and a better changeup, I don't like it. This means they're counting on him to pitch twice. I was hoping to use him in game 4 and then as a short - and I do mean short - reliever later on. He might be useful in a carefully-chosen spot against Alvarez, Brantley or Tucker. Wouldn’t +5 have him touching 100? I think he can get by without that. A lot of his FBs have been 92-93. What would be nice would be easy velocity with the kind of command that goes with not overthrowing. It's doubtful the team would try this if they did not believe Sale has fixed a mechanical flaw. If he hasn't we'll know soon enough. If he has it would be very exciting.
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