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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 15, 2021 11:44:51 GMT -5
would there be a situation where those guys would be used in a high leverage part of the game ? Hard to see it.
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Post by benzinger on Oct 15, 2021 11:45:06 GMT -5
Sawamura and Darwinzon over Barnes and Austin Davis for this round I have zero confidence in Darwinzon, but in my mind he and Sawamura are (sadly) interchangeable with Barnes and Davis right now. If any of them are in the game it's either a huge run differential or very deep into extra innings. Agreed on Darwinzon. Just too volatile to trust in a big spot. Sawamura, however, I still think can be useful. He got overworked and it made him much less effective. I think he can do just fine in small doses. He actually pitched pretty well in September. I trust him over Davis and Barnes, for sure.
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Post by kjkramer on Oct 15, 2021 11:45:17 GMT -5
Sale day!! Hopefully it isn't a Garage Sale. Not the move I would make ay all and hope I am 100% wrong. Time to trust Cora like others have mentioned. 🙏
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 15, 2021 12:10:56 GMT -5
As Ian and Lou Merloni both pointed out on Twitter (and as Cora's comments seemed to back up), Sale going in Game 1 instead of Eovaldi is about having LESS confidence in him, not MORE. If they need to yank him early, they can go to Houck or Pivetta without blinking and have more options for the middle of the series bullpen-wise. Cora basically admitted as much yesterday. If you start Sale in Game 2 or 3 and he doesn't have it again, did you use Houck and/or Pivetta in a setup role already? Are you burning your game 4 starter, when in theory one of them could come back from longish relief in game 1 to start 4 on a pitch count? It's smart - see what he's got in Game 1, and if he doesn't have it, you've got two great long relief options who are rested ready to take over.
If you aren't going to start anyone 3x (1-4-7), then there's not an enormous difference between starting him in game 1 or 2.
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Post by kjkramer on Oct 15, 2021 13:04:15 GMT -5
As Ian and Lou Merloni both pointed out on Twitter (and as Cora's comments seemed to back up), Sale going in Game 1 instead of Eovaldi is about having LESS confidence in him, not MORE. If they need to yank him early, they can go to Houck or Pivetta without blinking and have more options for the middle of the series bullpen-wise. Cora basically admitted as much yesterday. If you start Sale in Game 2 or 3 and he doesn't have it again, did you use Houck and/or Pivetta in a setup role already? Are you burning your game 4 starter, when in theory one of them could come back from longish relief in game 1 to start 4 on a pitch count? It's smart - see what he's got in Game 1, and if he doesn't have it, you've got two great long relief options who are rested ready to take over. If you aren't going to start anyone 3x (1-4-7), then there's not an enormous difference between starting him in game 1 or 2. Good points.
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Post by vokuhila on Oct 15, 2021 13:24:45 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 15, 2021 13:26:23 GMT -5
If the Red Sox win in 6 or 7, then this will likely be looked back upon as the deciding factor, and fairly so. Can't overstate how huge this is.
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Post by vokuhila on Oct 15, 2021 13:35:49 GMT -5
Oh man...just how often have you read this progression: elbow problem -> MRI -> second opinion...usually the next update is "Dr. James Andrews"...yikes...
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 15, 2021 13:40:06 GMT -5
I thought they already said yesterday he would be back for the World Series at the earliest?
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 15, 2021 13:41:18 GMT -5
This sucks, I want to face their best.
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Post by malynn19 on Oct 15, 2021 13:51:13 GMT -5
So I have a question, we have a better record than ATL, but they won their division. So who has Home field advantage in the World Series? Just asking for a friend who is buying tickets.
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Post by vokuhila on Oct 15, 2021 13:53:56 GMT -5
So I have a question, we have a better record than ATL, but they won their division. So who has Home field advantage in the World Series? Just asking for a friend who is buying tickets. From what I have read RS would have home field advantage vs ATL
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Post by 07redsox on Oct 15, 2021 13:54:26 GMT -5
So I have a question, we have a better record than ATL, but they won their division. So who has Home field advantage in the World Series? Just asking for a friend who is buying tickets. If it is Red Sox vs Braves in the WS then the Sox have home field. It goes to whoever has the best record of the two teams.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 15, 2021 14:25:08 GMT -5
So I have a question, we have a better record than ATL, but they won their division. So who has Home field advantage in the World Series? Just asking for a friend who is buying tickets. If it is Red Sox vs Braves in the WS then the Sox have home field. It goes to whoever has the best record of the two teams. That is incorrect, its based on seed not record. I don’t think it matters though we’d beat the braves regardless.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 15, 2021 14:28:19 GMT -5
As Ian and Lou Merloni both pointed out on Twitter (and as Cora's comments seemed to back up), Sale going in Game 1 instead of Eovaldi is about having LESS confidence in him, not MORE. If they need to yank him early, they can go to Houck or Pivetta without blinking and have more options for the middle of the series bullpen-wise. Cora basically admitted as much yesterday. If you start Sale in Game 2 or 3 and he doesn't have it again, did you use Houck and/or Pivetta in a setup role already? Are you burning your game 4 starter, when in theory one of them could come back from longish relief in game 1 to start 4 on a pitch count? It's smart - see what he's got in Game 1, and if he doesn't have it, you've got two great long relief options who are rested ready to take over. If you aren't going to start anyone 3x (1-4-7), then there's not an enormous difference between starting him in game 1 or 2. "Confidence" is, I think, the wrong word. "Certainty" might be better. He's the risky guy, and when you work it through, starting him first has all kinds of advantages. If he really did "find it in the bullpen" -- a very real possibility that Cora was enthusiastic about, and yet a complete unknown -- you are also significantly increasing your chances of sweeping in Houston.
It's good that Pivetta is available. I was concerned that they'd want to give him extended rest after his DS heroics.
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Post by 07redsox on Oct 15, 2021 14:28:39 GMT -5
If it is Red Sox vs Braves in the WS then the Sox have home field. It goes to whoever has the best record of the two teams. That is incorrect, its based on seed not record. I don’t think it matters though we’d beat the braves regardless. No, that is not correct. Seed only matters in the DS and CS of each league. The WS was determined by the ASG up until 2017; seed didn’t matter all those years as well. Since then it is based on the team with the best record.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 15, 2021 14:29:33 GMT -5
This sucks, I want to face their best. Sox owed one big time for Jim Rice missing the '75 post-season.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 15, 2021 14:31:42 GMT -5
This sucks, I want to face their best. Sox owed one big time for Jim Rice missing the '75 post-season. The Sox avoided Chris Carpenter in the 2004 World Series because of his injury, which was very helpful. I'll always feel if Lowell and Beckett were healthy, the Sox would have repeated in 2008.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 15, 2021 14:37:29 GMT -5
This sucks, I want to face their best. Sox owed one big time for Jim Rice missing the '75 post-season. I guess this one of those "heinous crimes" where there's no statue of limitations...?
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Post by greenmonster on Oct 15, 2021 14:51:44 GMT -5
As Ian and Lou Merloni both pointed out on Twitter (and as Cora's comments seemed to back up), Sale going in Game 1 instead of Eovaldi is about having LESS confidence in him, not MORE. If they need to yank him early, they can go to Houck or Pivetta without blinking and have more options for the middle of the series bullpen-wise. Cora basically admitted as much yesterday. If you start Sale in Game 2 or 3 and he doesn't have it again, did you use Houck and/or Pivetta in a setup role already? Are you burning your game 4 starter, when in theory one of them could come back from longish relief in game 1 to start 4 on a pitch count? It's smart - see what he's got in Game 1, and if he doesn't have it, you've got two great long relief options who are rested ready to take over. If you aren't going to start anyone 3x (1-4-7), then there's not an enormous difference between starting him in game 1 or 2. Wait...I thought he found it
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Post by Guidas on Oct 15, 2021 14:57:04 GMT -5
Sox owed one big time for Jim Rice missing the '75 post-season. I guess this one of those "heinous crimes" where there's no statue of limitations...? Exactly. Much like Dwight Evans not being in the HOF or Julian Tavares not being top-10 in all-time Sox shirt sales.
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Post by nomar on Oct 15, 2021 15:18:41 GMT -5
This sucks, I want to face their best. I hope we face their worst and get lucky the whole way. History will only remember who won And go Braves
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 15, 2021 15:34:50 GMT -5
This sucks, I want to face their best. Sox owed one big time for Jim Rice missing the '75 post-season. Two! Tony C. missed the '67 series.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 15, 2021 15:52:45 GMT -5
Pretty impressive that he managed to get 9 Ks in 3.1 innings without being able to throw strikes.
ADD: Yeah, what jmei said. And also, I watched the Washington start. That was just a case of straight-up bad BABIP luck. Other than the 1.000 BABIP, he made 7 outs on Ks. Almost teice as many Ks as balls in play! He did have 3 BBs, so he wasn't perfect, but still, if you actually watched that game, you didn't see a poor performance - much like with Rodriguez's 7-game stretch of bad luck in May and June, which people nonetheless find it impossible to believe was caused by a bunch of bloops and ridiculously cheap homers (the game in Houston, by the way, beind the absolute apex of that dumb little stretch for him).
As for his start against TB, one makable play by his infield defense and he would probably have gotten out of the inning. Instead he got BABIP's again, and then a guy hit a homer on a fastball that was probably placed in the exact spot Sale wanted it.
I know I know. It can’t be that Sale was lousy. It has to be that Mercury was in retrograde or some other pretzel logic to explain how he was actually really good. I’m not buying it. I think he’s cooked this year. But I sure hope that I am wrong. It's not that he was really good or lousy. It's that it is not predictive of his next start(s).
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Post by benzinger on Oct 15, 2021 15:52:54 GMT -5
This sucks, I want to face their best. Hey...Verlander is out, too. Just saying...
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