|
|
Post by texs31 on Mar 2, 2022 7:24:18 GMT -5
Didn't watch the game but it sounds like:
- Sloppy early
- Fought to tie it
- Sloppy late including bad McAvoy penalty.
Meanwhile, JDB's agent has reiterated the trade demand is on and, apparently, Boston has permitted him (agent) to talk contract extension with potential bidders. Would think that puts scoring winger at/near the top of the needs list.
|
|
cdj
Veteran
Posts: 15,855 
|
Post by cdj on Mar 2, 2022 8:28:06 GMT -5
Yeah they were making some terrible decisions with the puck last night. 2nd night of a back of back on the west coast, stuff happens. Sucked to not get a point though because they did work hard to claw back.
The turnovers were egregious and they were allowing all the chances to come from prime areas. Felt bad for Ullmark
|
|
|
|
Post by voiceofreason on Mar 4, 2022 11:45:33 GMT -5
Just like the C's the B's are putting together some good wins lately. And Swaymen is proving that the Ulmark signing was indeed a bad idea, they should have spent that money on a top Dlinemen.
|
|
cdj
Veteran
Posts: 15,855
|
Post by cdj on Mar 4, 2022 17:10:47 GMT -5
They should have used the Forbort + Reilly money for a high end defenseman imo
|
|
|
|
Post by natesp4 on Mar 5, 2022 8:02:18 GMT -5
The Ullmarks, Forborts, Coyles of the world are why I have a tough time getting 100% into the Bruins. I used to be diehard, but when I just straight up don't trust the GM I struggle. With Bloom and Belichick and possibly Stevens now, if I don't understand a move I give them the benefit of the doubt.
With Sweeney you see a deal and immediately know it's a terrible idea. It's been infuriating watching the best line in the NHL make only 1.5x combined what the highest single player salary is, and have it completely wasted.
|
|
|
|
Post by jodyreidnichols on Mar 5, 2022 12:30:41 GMT -5
Just like the C's the B's are putting together some good wins lately. And Swaymen is proving that the Ulmark signing was indeed a bad idea, they should have spent that money on a top Dlinemen. |
|
|
|
Post by texs31 on Mar 5, 2022 13:22:34 GMT -5
Doubt there are too many GMs in the league willing to take a last shot at a Cup with this core riding 2 rookie Goalies.
The reality is that Ullmark was the perfect guy. The contract, though? Woof.
|
|
|
|
Post by voiceofreason on Mar 5, 2022 17:54:42 GMT -5
Maybe if they told Kreiji that he would have both Hall and Pasta as linemates he would have stuck around...
It's nice to be an armchair QB but I didn't like the Ullmark signing from day 1. And yes Tex it would have been foolish to go with rookie goalies but this whole season was a crapshoot.
I remember the 71 Bruins as being one of the best teams in history and a rookie Goalie named Dryden stole a cup from them. Sometimes you got to take a real flier and this team on the backend of some great players needed to take a flier, IMO.
|
|
|
|
Post by jodyreidnichols on Mar 5, 2022 19:08:12 GMT -5
Doubt there are too many GMs in the league willing to take a last shot at a Cup with this core riding 2 rookie Goalies. The reality is that Ullmark was the perfect guy. The contract, though? Woof. I understand the argument against going with 2 rookies, but if it's ride or die for one more Stanley Cup then you could easily make the argument that they were counting on Tuukka coming back anyway. I have nothing against Ullmark but what track record does he have playoff wise? And my point comes full circle. Why not risk 2 rookies both with great resumes and both with success albeit limited in the NHL? That and you know Tuukka is going to try and come back on the cheap, it's not the risk some will argue. The chances of one rookie receding I think is realistic but not both. I'm telling you it's all about taking calculated risk and I think that they failed at this year but not going out an landing a top 4 D or top 6 Wing/center. |
|
|
|
Post by jodyreidnichols on Mar 5, 2022 20:11:59 GMT -5
Maybe if they told Kreiji that he would have both Hall and Pasta as linemates he would have stuck around... It's nice to be an armchair QB but I didn't like the Ullmark signing from day 1. And yes Tex it would have been foolish to go with rookie goalies but this whole season was a crapshoot. I remember the 71 Bruins as being one of the best teams in history and a rookie Goalie named Dryden stole a cup from them. Sometimes you got to take a real flier and this team on the backend of some great players needed to take a flier, IMO. I was going to bring up Dryden myself in my response and now i'm glad I did not as you already did. Swayman's success should not be a big surprise as not only did he win the award for top college hockey goalie at UMaine but was also a Hobey Baker top 3 finalist for best College Hockey Player period. He played very well last season for the Wanna B's and was great in the 10 games he started for Boston last season. He should never have been considered your typical rookie and that is not Monday morning quarterbacking. Even Vladar looked like he could at least be a good back-up goalie with solid stats in his 5 game tryout and if I remember correctly one bad game swayed his stats to average or maybe that was Swayman whose great stats moved to merely good with one bad game in 10. The point is it was not the typical risk associated with one would typically associated with going with two rookie goalies. That and we already knew Tuukka would be there at some point should the (exaggerated) risk come to fruition. I think the path most traveled was low risk low reward. The other path was medium risk hi reward, and the kind of decisions that if you want to win you have to take once in a while. I'm sorry but when you dig into the situation with the 2 rookies knowing you had a former Vezina goalie fighting his way back on the cheap to play one more time with the team to make another Cup run, that merely stating the line it was two risky to try and do that with 2 rookie goalies should have been challenged alot more than it has and was not foolish at all. I said it after last season and I'll say it today as well. Both goalies have played very well this season and I don't think it should have surprised anyone. |
|
|
|
Post by voiceofreason on Mar 6, 2022 9:57:01 GMT -5
Maybe if they told Kreiji that he would have both Hall and Pasta as linemates he would have stuck around... It's nice to be an armchair QB but I didn't like the Ullmark signing from day 1. And yes Tex it would have been foolish to go with rookie goalies but this whole season was a crapshoot. I remember the 71 Bruins as being one of the best teams in history and a rookie Goalie named Dryden stole a cup from them. Sometimes you got to take a real flier and this team on the backend of some great players needed to take a flier, IMO. I was going to bring up Dryden myself in my response and now i'm glad I did not as you already did. Swayman's success should not be a big surprise as not only did he win the award for top college hockey goalie at UMaine but was also a Hobey Baker top 3 finalist for best College Hockey Player period. He played very well last season for the Wanna B's and was great in the 10 games he started for Boston last season. He should never have been considered your typical rookie and that is not Monday morning quarterbacking. Even Vladar looked like he could at least be a good back-up goalie with solid stats in his 5 game tryout and if I remember correctly one bad game swayed his stats to average or maybe that was Swayman whose great stats moved to merely good with one bad game in 10. The point is it was not the typical risk associated with one would typically associated with going with two rookie goalies. That and we already knew Tuukka would be there at some point should the (exaggerated) risk come to fruition. I think the path most traveled was low risk low reward. The other path was medium risk hi reward, and the kind of decisions that if you want to win you have to take once in a while. I'm sorry but when you dig into the situation with the 2 rookies knowing you had a former Vezina goalie fighting his way back on the cheap to play one more time with the team to make another Cup run, that merely stating the line it was two risky to try and do that with 2 rookie goalies should have been challenged alot more than it has and was not foolish at all. I said it after last season and I'll say it today as well. Both goalies have played very well this season and I don't think it should have surprised anyone. Did you know that the B's had the rights to both Dryden and Bernie Parent in the 60's? |
|
|
|
Post by texs31 on Mar 6, 2022 11:36:10 GMT -5
But was Dryden the plan or the result. I'm just saying that few teams would've made the move to go with 2 rookies.
As to Tuukka, I also believe that Sweeney knew him coming back and being successful was 50/50 at best. So, again, is that something you count on or just see if it works out.
On Ullmarks "playoff success", does that mean you should never target a player who has never made the playoffs? He's been on some pretty terrible teams. The projection that a GM has to do is determining how that player (in this case, goalie) will do on a better team.
I really believe they got the right guy for the role he's been asked to play (tandem starter, mentor, probably transitioning to more of a pure backup now) and he's been fine. They just gave him a silly contract.
|
|
|
|
Post by texs31 on Mar 6, 2022 11:40:17 GMT -5
Also, my concern with the contract is more about the term than the salary. Keeping with the theme above, I doubt they would've spent less than 6M on the 2 goalies anyway so I don't believe that spend got in the way of signing a top pair LHD (and how many of those guys moved anyway).
The contract becomes more problematic when you have to pay Swayman as, hopefully, a top starter and you still have Linus' money on the books.
|
|
cdj
Veteran
Posts: 15,855
|
Post by cdj on Mar 7, 2022 8:49:04 GMT -5
I think Ullmark’s a solid goalie. Swayman is just playing like one of the best in the league. We couldn’t go into the year with Swayman/Vladar though, that would have been unacceptable for a team trying to compete for a cup in Bergeron’s final years
|
|
|
|
Post by voiceofreason on Mar 7, 2022 10:46:35 GMT -5
But was Dryden the plan or the result. I'm just saying that few teams would've made the move to go with 2 rookies. As to Tuukka, I also believe that Sweeney knew him coming back and being successful was 50/50 at best. So, again, is that something you count on or just see if it works out. On Ullmarks "playoff success", does that mean you should never target a player who has never made the playoffs? He's been on some pretty terrible teams. The projection that a GM has to do is determining how that player (in this case, goalie) will do on a better team. I really believe they got the right guy for the role he's been asked to play (tandem starter, mentor, probably transitioning to more of a pure backup now) and he's been fine. They just gave him a silly contract. As I said before I get it in regards to having 2 rookies in net. It is more your last sentence that I had a hard time with, it was an overpay IMO. Great roadtrip!!
|
|
|
|
Post by texs31 on Mar 8, 2022 19:33:10 GMT -5
Not really new but Dreger confirms Boston is 1 of 8 teams in on Chychrun. Can't see a scenario where they can present the best offer.
|
|
|
|
Post by texs31 on Mar 9, 2022 8:17:22 GMT -5
Jacob Middleton is a name that's coming up recently. Late bloomer LHD from SJS. Tough but not really a top pair guy. Ideally what you would've gotten from Forbert, IMO. Not sure he moves the needle imo.
|
|
cdj
Veteran
Posts: 15,855
|
Post by cdj on Mar 9, 2022 11:53:47 GMT -5
I do love me some Jake Middleton
Also being linked to a combo of Lindholm/Manson/Rakell/Comtois on the ducks
|
|
|
|
Post by jodyreidnichols on Mar 13, 2022 18:37:48 GMT -5
I was going to bring up Dryden myself in my response and now i'm glad I did not as you already did. Swayman's success should not be a big surprise as not only did he win the award for top college hockey goalie at UMaine but was also a Hobey Baker top 3 finalist for best College Hockey Player period. He played very well last season for the Wanna B's and was great in the 10 games he started for Boston last season. He should never have been considered your typical rookie and that is not Monday morning quarterbacking. Even Vladar looked like he could at least be a good back-up goalie with solid stats in his 5 game tryout and if I remember correctly one bad game swayed his stats to average or maybe that was Swayman whose great stats moved to merely good with one bad game in 10. The point is it was not the typical risk associated with one would typically associated with going with two rookie goalies. That and we already knew Tuukka would be there at some point should the (exaggerated) risk come to fruition. I think the path most traveled was low risk low reward. The other path was medium risk hi reward, and the kind of decisions that if you want to win you have to take once in a while. I'm sorry but when you dig into the situation with the 2 rookies knowing you had a former Vezina goalie fighting his way back on the cheap to play one more time with the team to make another Cup run, that merely stating the line it was two risky to try and do that with 2 rookie goalies should have been challenged alot more than it has and was not foolish at all. I said it after last season and I'll say it today as well. Both goalies have played very well this season and I don't think it should have surprised anyone. Did you know that the B's had the rights to both Dryden and Bernie Parent in the 60's? I did in regards to Dryden, as I read his book, "The Game" by Ken Dryden and that he went to Cornell. I'll share this fact I learned from the book that nearly no Hockey Krishna even knows; at the beginning of professional hockey the forward pass was illegal until 1911. Hockey was the one sport growing up I did not play in a league, as I could not skate. I did play street hockey in Hockey town in Saugus for several years in the mid 90's. |
|
|
|
Post by rjw on Mar 13, 2022 21:36:50 GMT -5
...I did play street hockey in Hockey town in Saugus for several years in the mid 90's... Ha! I played there on the mid 80's. Loved that place. For awhile we had a street rink here in Charlotte, but it closed a few years back. We have an outdoor rink at the Y, but they rarely let us use it. Now we have to play on a tennis court...  |
|
|
|
Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2022 6:44:59 GMT -5
Couple of updates on some trade candidates:
1. Looks like Chychrun will be out for 2-4 weeks (Forbort trying to keep his job, eh?). Remains to be seen how/if that impacts the likelihood he's traded.
2. Elliot Friedman reporting that Bruins might want to keep Debrusk in their push for the Cup. Could be a negotiation ploy, of course. Then again, if you trade him, a scoring RW probably jumps to at/near the top of your needs list. So the big question would be whether they can get the top pair LD WITHOUT including JDB.
|
|
|
|
Post by tizzle on Mar 15, 2022 22:06:12 GMT -5
Screw you, refs. One of the most ridiculous calls I've ever seen vs. Chicago.
Thank goodness they got the W anyway in OT.
|
|
|
|
Post by jodyreidnichols on Mar 15, 2022 22:54:55 GMT -5
Screw you, refs. One of the most ridiculous calls I've ever seen vs. Chicago. Thank goodness they got the W anyway in OT. Even worse than that horrific call, is the rule that if you dare question their authority and they deem you are wrong you get a penalty. It's draconian in an of itself and should be everything anyone who enjoys freedoms should be against. In case you think I'm being dramatic I think it can not be understated just how important it is. It's as of its politically driven to indoctrinate your very mind set against challenging authority. Think of how many people think blaming referees is a loser mentality, well sure it can be but what those people don't even realize is they were taught by their coaches this mentality. It is right too but only for people actively competing at that time in that game, coaches too. Otherwise you are doing yourself and everyone else involved a favor by questioning those with 'authority'. and the opposite of that is true to. Not questioning authority is often cowardly and allows possibly even freedom itself to be taken away. It is a mindset. Rant over. |
|
|
|
Post by tizzle on Mar 15, 2022 22:58:56 GMT -5
Screw you, refs. One of the most ridiculous calls I've ever seen vs. Chicago. Thank goodness they got the W anyway in OT. Even worse than that horrific call, is the rule that if you dare question their authority and they deem you are wrong you get a penalty. It's draconian in an of itself and should be everything anyone who enjoys freedoms should be against. In case you think I'm being dramatic I think it can not be understated just how important it is. It's as of its politically driven to indoctrinate your very mind set against challenging authority. Think of how many people think blaming referees is a loser mentality, well sure it can be but what those people don't even realize is they were taught by their coaches this mentality. It is right too but only for people actively competing at that time in that game, coaches too. Otherwise you are doing yourself and everyone else involved a favor by questioning those with 'authority'. and the opposite of that is true to. Not questioning authority is often cowardly and allows possibly even freedom itself to be taken away. It is a mindset. Rant over. Yeah, that rule is kind of crazy. I could see maybe a penalty on two wrong challenges or something. But the Bruins could have very easily lost that game because the refs refused to change an obviously wrong call and then handed an end of the game power play to Chicago because of it. It's really a strange way to decide games. |
|
|
|
Post by voiceofreason on Mar 16, 2022 7:19:46 GMT -5
Screw you, refs. One of the most ridiculous calls I've ever seen vs. Chicago. Thank goodness they got the W anyway in OT. Yeah it was pretty obvious the interference came from his own player. It is frustrating when a bad call is made to say the least, but it is infuriating when it is held up under review. Makes one start to question the league itself when it is made in conjunction with league officials. That sounds hyperbolic I know but when the announcers, who in this case were not Bruins guys, are saying what they did it creates doubt. Good thing it didn't cost them the game. |
|
