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Boston Celtics 2021-2022 Season
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Nov 6, 2021 5:21:14 GMT -5
Schroder needs to start at PG Schroder-Smart-Brown-Tatum-Horford is what I would roll out to start games. That is an effective 5 man lineup. Then adjust depending on game flow. It’s not a knock on Timelord, I just think Horford is needed in that first unit to keep the ball moving and the shooting he provides. Not that Timelord isn’t a good passer either- he definitely is. I’d just pick my spots with him and get him 25 dominant, fresh minutes a night Personally, I’d start this lineup: Schröder - Nesmith - Brown - Tatum - Williams Bring Smart, Pritchard, Richardson/Langford and Horford off the bench to play with Tatum/Brown And obviously mix in other guys like Grant Williams too. I see the argument for swapping Al and Rob in those lineups… Williams and Smart do have good chemistry, but I think Al fits the second unit better. I want Schöders penetration and passing in the lineup and I want Nesmith energy and shooting. You have to just let Nesmith go for a few games, give him minutes and take the ups and downs. See if you can get him in a groove. This team desperately needs a 3rd scorer/shooter who can be consistent and he’s the only guy on the team who can possibly be that dude. Ride or die. An interesting take I wouldn't mind seeing. I'd like to see Schroder-Brown-Tatum-Horford-Timelord. This would present alot of mismatches. The second unit would be a smaller line-up with Smart-Nesmith-Langford-Richardson and G.Williams. Pritchard and Parker would get some time with the second unit too. As well as the starts mixed in too. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 6, 2021 6:29:04 GMT -5
Hopefully, we will look back on this thread and laugh at all the calls to abandon the switching, etc. New coach, new personnel, a defensive system that requires communication, movement and high effort will all take time and errors to come together. Putting bad tape next to good tape should help them over the long haul. “With three strong performances on this front in the last four games (the Wizards double OT loss was also great defense), Udoka can feel good about what he’s building. To put in perspective how strong the defense was over the last two nights, Boston jumped up from 27th to 10th in defensive efficiency after those two games.” www.masslive.com/celtics/2021/11/boston-celtics-mailbag-if-aaron-nesmith-plays-more-who-sits-in-ime-udokas-rotation-is-defensive-turnaround-for-real.html |
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 6, 2021 19:26:45 GMT -5
I keep forgetting the Mavs hires Jason Kidd.
I’m occasionally critical of the Celtics’ coaching staff, but I can’t imagine having to watch a real coached by Kidd. That was a laughably bad decision by Dallas.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 6, 2021 19:50:21 GMT -5
Nice to see them carry over zero of that recent effort into this game.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 6, 2021 20:26:56 GMT -5
I keep forgetting the Mavs hires Jason Kidd. I’m occasionally critical of the Celtics’ coaching staff, but I can’t imagine having to watch a real coached by Kidd. That was a laughably bad decision by Dallas. You ever look at a box score and be like "wait, who is injured on this team that will help them turn it around?" And then you check, and that's it, this is just their flawed, undertalented team? That's how I feel about the Mavs. And yet... |
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 6, 2021 21:27:30 GMT -5
Pathetic team rebounding right there. They should’ve had the ball with a chance to tie, and two seconds later they’re down by 7.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 6, 2021 21:49:54 GMT -5
Ime leaving two timeouts on the board and Marcus making one of the worst decisions you’ll ever see.
Amazing comeback wasted by their incompetence.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 6, 2021 21:54:26 GMT -5
I don't get how a guy who prides himself on D, does something so stupid!
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Post by jmei on Nov 6, 2021 21:55:49 GMT -5
Some bad play in the last two minutes, but still an encouraging game.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 6, 2021 21:58:26 GMT -5
I don't get how a guy who prides himself on D, does something so stupid! I don’t think Celtics fans have overrated a player this much since Perk. His time here has run its course. |
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 6, 2021 22:11:51 GMT -5
I don’t think the Celtics can afford to keep smart on the roster much longer. He’s clearly not a good locker room presence, and he makes some of the worst decisions down the stretch you’ll ever see. That foul was one of the five worst players I’ve ever seen a player make.
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Post by ianrs on Nov 7, 2021 3:25:50 GMT -5
Encouraging game without Jaylen and Romeo and also Nesmith hitting 0 shots.
It's very tiring finding silver linings and moral victories. But man, it's getting tiring having Marcus Smart on this team. I've pretty much always supported him but your starting PG needs to be a better offensive player than he is in the modern NBA.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 7, 2021 6:34:26 GMT -5
Clearly misnamed. "Marcus Stupid" is more like it.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 7, 2021 6:52:08 GMT -5
Who offered them 4 first round picks? Brogdon and a first around 20ish isn’t a huge offer. There’s a major difference in the situation prior to the draft (when Philly asked GS for the moon) and now. Let’s stop comparing basketball trades to football trades, it makes us all dumber and it’s disingenuous. There’s 0 comparison to the 2 especially in season. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 7, 2021 6:53:38 GMT -5
At some point this season I expect the C's execs will realize that Schroeder is the guy to keep as part of the core moving forward and Marcus is not. We have all been in and out of his corner for the most part over his career, taking the good with the bad. The thing is we all have been waiting and hoping to watch his game mature, for him to fit that role and eliminate some of the bad. And he just hasn't done it, he has improved but not nearly enough for a guy to be the heart and soul of the team. He wins some games with his intensity and intangibles and then he losses some games with his bad shot selection, poor decision making and plain bone headed plays. This is who he is and it seems evident be isn't going to outgrow it. Marcus just isn't all that smart.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 7, 2021 8:14:47 GMT -5
Encouraging game without Jaylen and Romeo and also Nesmith hitting 0 shots. It's very tiring finding silver linings and moral victories. But man, it's getting tiring having Marcus Smart on this team. I've pretty much always supported him but your starting PG needs to be a better offensive player than he is in the modern NBA. This x100. That was one of my favorite Tatum performances not only because the shot making was exceptional, but he was making the perfect reads every time. He knew exactly when the double was coming, and waited just long enough to pass it that it would lead to an open shot after 1-2 more passes. The entire second half was legitimately encouraging besides Marcus. He’s honestly become a net negative given how toxic he is in that locker room. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 7, 2021 9:39:42 GMT -5
Who offered them 4 first round picks? Brogdon and a first around 20ish isn’t a huge offer. There’s a major difference in the situation prior to the draft (when Philly asked GS for the moon) and now. Let’s stop comparing basketball trades to football trades, it makes us all dumber and it’s disingenuous. There’s 0 comparison to the 2 especially in season. Minnesota did. That Chris Manix article says otherwise, says they aren't in a hurry and want an all-star back. That report isn't a month old from a strong source, why I included it. It basically says everything you're trying to say is wrong. Yeah there's zero comparison all right, one guy was released, the other hasn't been traded because they want an all-star back. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 7, 2021 9:58:23 GMT -5
Smart is a great player to have on the bench, I just don't see how he's worth almost 20 million they gave him a season going forward. He's certainly a piece that can help you win a championship. It's just going to make everything so expensive paying him that much.
That's the issue with Nesmith, you love the good games. It shows his upside, yet the light needs to go on and he needs to get more consistent.
I don't know what more you need to see to 100% say Schroder has to start at PG over Smart. Smart is either a SG or a backup PG.
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Post by jmei on Nov 7, 2021 10:43:18 GMT -5
The foul at the end was inexcusable, but keep in mind that Smart's defense was a big reason they ended up coming back in the second half at all. His ball pressure (together with Schroder's ball pressure) blew up a lot of half court sets and forced a lot of turnovers and low shot clock situations.
I do like the Schroder/Smart combination and think they should start those two alongside Tatum, Brown and Horford when everyone is healthy.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 7, 2021 14:12:15 GMT -5
The foul at the end was inexcusable, but keep in mind that Smart's defense was a big reason they ended up coming back in the second half at all. His ball pressure (together with Schroder's ball pressure) blew up a lot of half court sets and forced a lot of turnovers and low shot clock situations. I do like the Schroder/Smart combination and think they should start those two alongside Tatum, Brown and Horford when everyone is healthy. This is overstating things a bit. His defense and effort was terrific in the second half, but team defense and Tatum’s play were the main reasons they got back into it. Smart is an elite individual defender, but I think Celtics fans overrate his impact on team defense. That’s not a knock on Smart, but it’s harder for guards to have the same impact on team defense as big men have. Horford at his best impacts the overall team defense more than Smart, in my opinion. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 8, 2021 10:30:39 GMT -5
Per Shams, the Celtics and Sixers have discussed Simmons. If they ever dealt Brown for him, I’d be so mad.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 8, 2021 10:55:27 GMT -5
Per Shams, the Celtics and Sixers have discussed Simmons. If they ever dealt Brown for him, I’d be so mad. Listen, the team might be bad right now, and have chemistry or personnel issues, but we are nowhere near Brown for Simmons bad. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 8, 2021 11:39:41 GMT -5
Per Shams, the Celtics and Sixers have discussed Simmons. If they ever dealt Brown for him, I’d be so mad. I'd ABSOLUTELY love buying low on Simmons. He's one hell of a player and one of the best defenders I ever watched. However, it's like I said, I would like BUYING LOW on Simmons. Trading Brown for him is idiotic and makes no sense. The idea is pairing Simmons with Brown and Tatum. Brown has balled out of his damn mind for 2 seasons straight and is off to his best start yet this season. Ime called him out for effort, Smart called him out for whatever the heck that was and now there's this. If I was him, I'd be pretty pissed off with this franchise right now. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 8, 2021 11:46:39 GMT -5
Per Shams, the Celtics and Sixers have discussed Simmons. If they ever dealt Brown for him, I’d be so mad. I'd ABSOLUTELY love buying low on Simmons. He's one hell of a player and one of the best defenders I ever watched. However, it's like I said, I would like BUYING LOW on Simmons. Trading Brown for him is idiotic and makes no sense. The idea is pairing Simmons with Brown and Tatum. Brown has balled out of his damn mind for 2 seasons straight and is off to his best start yet this season. Ime called him out for effort, Smart called him out for whatever the heck that was and now there's this. If I was him, I'd be pretty pissed off with this franchise right now. No one said the Celtics were discussing him for Simmons - people just speculate that’s what would need to happen. However, Brown is better than him so it makes no sense. Philly won’t get an all-star player back for him simply because he’s a lower level all-star himself and people don’t trade that way. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 8, 2021 12:05:41 GMT -5
No one said the Celtics were discussing him for Simmons - people just speculate that’s what would need to happen. However, Brown is better than him so it makes no sense. Philly won’t get an all-star player back for him simply because he’s a lower level all-star himself and people don’t trade that way. Good! Smart + Romeo/Nesmith + a couple of picks and let's jig. |
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