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Boston Celtics 2021-2022 Season
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Post by texs31 on Nov 8, 2021 12:14:35 GMT -5
Brown out 1-2 weeks. (No, that's not me saying there is rationale for trading him for Simmons).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 8, 2021 12:39:51 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense to discuss the trade, I don't see how it gets done unless you bring in a third team. You're not trading Tatum or Brown. Robert Williams likely the best asset we have makes zero sense for Sixers
I mean Marcus Smart is kinda similar to Simmons, likely a better fit next to Embiid because he loves to jack up three's and Simmons fits our team better. I still don't see it unless you bring in a third team. Even then looking at the crappy teams, what SGA?
I get why they want what they want, it's just crazy rare to trade one young all-star for another one. Stars are usually dumped for a collection of young upside players and draft picks. You don’t trade Brown for Simmons, you add Simmons to Brown and Tatum.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 8, 2021 12:45:05 GMT -5
Brown out 1-2 weeks. (No, that's not me saying there is rationale for trading him for Simmons). Make or break time for Nesmith. I'm joking, but seriously it would be nice if he showed some consistency here. |
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Post by ianrs on Nov 8, 2021 17:53:31 GMT -5
I say no to Simmons for Brown every day.
If Philly wants to discuss Smart + Schroder + Nesmith + picks, sure, but I doubt they do.
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Post by cdj on Nov 8, 2021 21:58:33 GMT -5
Yeah it’s Smart + filler or bust. *Maybe* I can be convinced to concede Timelord
Jaylen is a nonstarter unless they’re attaching legitimate pieces to Simmons (Curry+)
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 9, 2021 7:57:54 GMT -5
Yeah it’s Smart + filler or bust. *Maybe* I can be convinced to concede Timelord Jaylen is a nonstarter unless they’re attaching legitimate pieces to Simmons (Curry+) Really? Seth Curry moves the needle for you? |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 9, 2021 8:28:10 GMT -5
Was trying not to get into this discussion (for various reasons) but I just can't help myself. I'm not sure I see ANYTHING that Philly could/would throw into the deal that would make Brown going in the other direction a good thing.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 9, 2021 9:34:14 GMT -5
Was trying not to get into this discussion (for various reasons) but I just can't help myself. I'm not sure I see ANYTHING that Philly could/would throw into the deal that would make Brown going in the other direction a good thing. Jaylen Brown is not getting traded, probably period, but certainly not for Ben Simmons. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 9, 2021 9:56:13 GMT -5
The Simmons for Brown thing is just the media being the media. I am old enough to remember when the news was news and once in a while there would be speculation based on some minimal facts. Now their is a constant barrage of speculation and opinion that is nothing more than clickbait BS. As boring as BB is as head of the Pats he does it for a reason, the media will run with nothing let alone rumors. He went thru it all as HC of the Browns when they slipped out of Cleveland and went to Baltimore. That was a dark day in sports and he was in the middle of it, hence the man we see today, guarded at every turn.
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Post by cdj on Nov 9, 2021 11:40:50 GMT -5
Yeah it’s Smart + filler or bust. *Maybe* I can be convinced to concede Timelord Jaylen is a nonstarter unless they’re attaching legitimate pieces to Simmons (Curry+) Really? Seth Curry moves the needle for you? For a team that needs shooting? Yes. You see how he’s been playing in Philly? Also there is a + there. Simmons + Curry isn’t enough imo |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 9, 2021 12:21:19 GMT -5
Really? Seth Curry moves the needle for you? For a team that needs shooting? Yes. You see how he’s been playing in Philly? Also there is a + there. Simmons + Curry isn’t enough imo I see a guy off to a hot start, he's still a lesser Fournier in my book and he's the worst defender that starts on that team. That matters when Ime won't barely play Pritchard, who's a darn good shooter and scorer because of his size and D. You could offer me Simmons, Curry, Maxey, two first round picks and I'm still not trading Brown. What's the point? The whole reason to get Simmons is for him to help Tatum and Brown. I'm a big believer that whoever gets the best player wins the trade in the NBA. You want another shooter go trade for one, just make sure he can play D. I guy like Bane would be money lol. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 9, 2021 13:47:21 GMT -5
I think Pritchard is limited by the mask, he hasn’t been shooting well at all and it likely is affecting how scrappy he can be. Once that’s healed, then we can tell if Ime really isn’t playing Pritchard because of size and defense.
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Post by cdj on Nov 9, 2021 19:08:58 GMT -5
For a team that needs shooting? Yes. You see how he’s been playing in Philly? Also there is a + there. Simmons + Curry isn’t enough imo I see a guy off to a hot start, he's still a lesser Fournier in my book and he's the worst defender that starts on that team. That matters when Ime won't barely play Pritchard, who's a darn good shooter and scorer because of his size and D. You could offer me Simmons, Curry, Maxey, two first round picks and I'm still not trading Brown. What's the point? The whole reason to get Simmons is for him to help Tatum and Brown. I'm a big believer that whoever gets the best player wins the trade in the NBA. You want another shooter go trade for one, just make sure he can play D. I guy like Bane would be money lol. You do love you some Bane. And I do too because he’s on my fantasy team lol |
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 9, 2021 22:12:56 GMT -5
I think Pritchard is limited by the mask, he hasn’t been shooting well at all and it likely is affecting how scrappy he can be. Once that’s healed, then we can tell if Ime really isn’t playing Pritchard because of size and defense. To me Pritchard is a AAAA guy in baseball parlance. He is scrappy but small with short arms. He is not a guy that can penetrate and draw defenders for a kick out. Rather he is a 3 point shooter who has to drop a few feet behind the 3 point line to get off his shot. He is limited....10 minutes/game to give others rest. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 10, 2021 7:59:01 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 10, 2021 8:16:15 GMT -5
I think Pritchard is limited by the mask, he hasn’t been shooting well at all and it likely is affecting how scrappy he can be. Once that’s healed, then we can tell if Ime really isn’t playing Pritchard because of size and defense. To me Pritchard is a AAAA guy in baseball parlance. He is scrappy but small with short arms. He is not a guy that can penetrate and draw defenders for a kick out. Rather he is a 3 point shooter who has to drop a few feet behind the 3 point line to get off his shot. He is limited....10 minutes/game to give others rest. He can get to into the paint using his great dribbling skills. We didn't see much of it, it was early last season before Walker came back, after that he basically played SG. It's why I say he has to be a PG, he's just a different player at PG. He can do many things at PG that Smart can't do. Yet if you are picking out the best defensive lineups he's not going to be part of if. He's scrappy as hell, he's a better one on one defender than you think, yet he's just not good on the team defense side because he's so small. It's like Kemba Walker all over again. I don't know if RJP is right that the face mask is bothering him, it's hard to tell given he has taken as many shots this year as Tatum does in a single game. I'm a big believer in teams being able to play multiple ways, big/small, offensive and defensive. He's has to be a big part of the offensive part. We just don't have another guy on the bench like him. It's why if you start Schroder and pair Smart and Pritchard off the bench things workout better. I actually think Pritchard could be a starter in time or one great bench piece. You just need to value offense over defense. |
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Post by jmei on Nov 10, 2021 8:54:58 GMT -5
Pritchard can get into the paint but can’t really do much once he’s there at the moment. He can’t consistently score at the rim against NBA length and is not a good enough passer from there (can hit the roll man, but needs to improve his vision on kick-out passes, which is inhibited by his inability to see over the defense). Until he improves that part of his game, he’s a offensive role player (elite catch and shoot ability) but not a guy who you can build an offense around.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 10, 2021 9:01:11 GMT -5
Reports like this always give me pause… like would someone really just hang up without saying a word? Sure, it’s a ridiculous offer, but you’re telling me Brad Steven’s or whoever was on the phone is that childish they’d just hang up? You don’t just hang up, probably laugh and tell them how insane that is, but who literally hangs up on someone for something like that? You hang up when someone is being an a**hole, not when they make a ridiculous trade request. You don’t build relationships that way so, if it’s true, then shame on the Celtics front office. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 10, 2021 10:25:09 GMT -5
I get it, you remember more of what you see recently, yet with Pritchard there was a massive difference his first 11 games as the backup with Walker out.
Per 36 minutes 14.5 points, 3.9 rebounds, 4.8 assists, 1.7 steals while shooting 50.6% and 44.1% from deep.
Next 55 games 36 minute numbers 14.8, 4.4, 3.2, .8 while shooting 42.5% and 40.7 from deep
First 11 games 56% of his shots were 2 pointers, 44% were three's, next 55 games 38% were twos and 62% were from deep.
Take into account those were his first 11 games. He was able to score inside the three point line at a high level, he's very nifty and skilled, he keeps the dribble alive. Posted a 114 111 offense and defense rating. Another thing stands out, when he plays PG his steals more than double. You want the Pritchard from the first 11 games as a backup PG. You want him taking 56% two pointers and 44% three pointers, not 38% and 62%. The latter is the guy chucking up crazy hard three's.
Smart per 36 through first 10 games 8.7, 3.5, 4.1, 2.3 and 2.2TO rating 89 107
Schroder 15.9, 4.4, 6.8, 1.5 and 2.3 TO rating 106 110
When it comes to offense Schroder and Pritchard are your two best PGs. When it comes to D, it's Smart and Schröder.
I'd love to see Pritchard get 10 games playing with the Starters to see what he could do. I love Pritchard the PG, not a huge fan of Pritchard the SG.
BTW Marcus Smart should be ashamed that Pritchard can out rebounding him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 10, 2021 10:32:05 GMT -5
Reports like this always give me pause… like would someone really just hang up without saying a word? Sure, it’s a ridiculous offer, but you’re telling me Brad Steven’s or whoever was on the phone is that childish they’d just hang up? You don’t just hang up, probably laugh and tell them how insane that is, but who literally hangs up on someone for something like that? You hang up when someone is being an a**hole, not when they make a ridiculous trade request. You don’t build relationships that way so, if it’s true, then shame on the Celtics front office. I have zero issues with that given the request. There are bad offers and then there are ones when you should just hang up. I think you set the tone in those relationships, don't bother calling me with crap you know what will happen. It's the same thing the Warriors did, no and hung up on him. GMs don't want to waste time on crap that even video games won't let you pull off. |
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Post by cdj on Nov 10, 2021 19:51:18 GMT -5
Plus it’s the sixers who cares if you alienate them?
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Post by cdj on Nov 10, 2021 21:47:41 GMT -5
Imagine when Tatum starts making shots. Good luck league
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 10, 2021 21:53:40 GMT -5
Good win - first home win - and with no Jaylen.
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Post by jmei on Nov 10, 2021 21:53:57 GMT -5
They've continued to play good defense. Schoder looks better and better.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 10, 2021 21:59:01 GMT -5
Big game for Timelord. Small balling team and he did what he had to do, just beasted on fools.
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