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Post by jmei on Nov 12, 2021 21:59:17 GMT -5
At a certain point, you have to figure that Jayson Tatum just isn’t good enough at the moment.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 12, 2021 22:01:34 GMT -5
Man, Schroder, have a night!
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 12, 2021 22:06:16 GMT -5
At a certain point, you have to figure that Jayson Tatum just isn’t good enough at the moment. He is when he plays the way he did against Dallas. He kept baiting the defenders before making the right read every time. And, no surprise, when he becomes a threat as a passer, the scoring follows. But for some reason, he decided to revert back to taking dumb shots right after that game. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 12, 2021 22:07:08 GMT -5
At a certain point, you have to figure that Jayson Tatum just isn’t good enough at the moment. I’ve been saying that for 5 years much to the chagrin of many people. |
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Post by cdj on Nov 12, 2021 22:10:34 GMT -5
At a certain point, you have to figure that Jayson Tatum just isn’t good enough at the moment. I’ve been saying that for 5 years much to the chagrin of many people. Last years Tatum was a lot better than this years Tatum Schroder was sensational, him and Timelord won that game down the stretch |
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 12, 2021 22:15:18 GMT -5
Timelord with the block of the year holy nuts, that ball was hit back so hard it must have gone around the world.
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Post by philarhody on Nov 12, 2021 23:01:57 GMT -5
At a certain point, you have to figure that Jayson Tatum just isn’t good enough at the moment. You can’t just give him the ball 30 feet from the basket and say “cook young man.” I don’t understand how the Celtics still don’t have an offense that leverages Jayson and Jaylen’s strengths. Get them the ball against tilted defenses, and they will do major damage. Ask them to initiate the offense, and things get weird. Schroder is a nice fit because he is one of the best in the league at getting to the basket. Jayson and Jaylen finding the ball in their hands against collapsing defenses is exactly what the doctor ordered. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 13, 2021 11:34:26 GMT -5
It's about team ball. The question should never be is Tatum good enough, that just means you want to play LeBron Basketball.
People need to go watch the 2018 team, go back and watch the 2008 Celtics. The issue isn't if Tatum is good enough, it's what you're asking him to do.
Horford and Robert Williams net rating is 6.5 which is tied for 22nd to 24th on the team. Throw out the single digit minutes played and it's tied for 19th. The big issue? A 100.5 offensive rating and the majority of those minutes are with Tatum and Brown. If you don't see the problem with that, your stuck in the 90s and early 2000s basketball.
I'm a big believer is being able to play big or small, offensive or defensive basketball. Ime has the big defensive part down, yet that's only 25% of it and the part you frankly should be using the least. I'm starting to lose confidence that Ime believes in that like Brad did. The Knicks just did this last year and flamed out in the playoffs, then brought in two offensive first players.
In short ditch the two bigs, start Schroder and put players around Tatum and Brown to make things easier for them. You don't build a fully defensive team and then just say Tatum and Brown go do iso. They aren't Durant and Harden, heck even then without Irving that doesn't work that well.
For years I said the Celtics should bring in a top assistant to help Brad, Ime would have been great. Well Ime needs an offensive top assistant.
Tatum and Brown are clearly good enough to be the top scorers on a championship team, if you play team ball, not iso ball. It's about playing that way and getting the pieces needed for that to work. The biggest weakness right now with Nesmith hardly playing and Pritchard benched is shooting. One of Nesmith, Langford or Pritchard needs to step up or you likely need to make a move. Making Pritchard the backup PG with Schroder starting would be a start.
If I'm Brad I spend the rest of the time before the deadline seeing what Smart, Richardson and Juan can get you. He might have to force Ime hand by trading Smart, like Danny did trading Theis.
Also maybe this team should call up Sam Hauser. He's a less athletic Nesmith, yet much more advanced skill wise in his game.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 13, 2021 13:34:01 GMT -5
I was listening to something where they were discussing how Richardson and Tatum are very close friends. Take that fir what it’s worth but could partially explain that move to get him then extend him right away
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Post by philarhody on Nov 13, 2021 15:48:54 GMT -5
Celtics need to run offense through Big Al and TimeLord (separately of course). Both of those players are gifted passers. Jayson and Jaylen should be catching passes off screens and pin downs. They should be handed the ball with heads full of steam and open paths to the basket.
The sell shouldn’t be hard. We are going to take the ball out of your hands a bit so that you can both score more efficiently and be well rested for everything involved with winning basketball. In other words, no more isolation fadeaways with 3 seconds on the shot clock.
Another option is run pick and pops with Jayson and Dennis. Imagine what a nightmare decision it is for teams to hedge protection off of a floating Tatum or stick hard on Tatum’s hip as a whirling Schroder turns the corner. When a third defender shows you have Jaylen in the corner or TimeLord rolling to the basket.
Instead, the Celtics continue to find themselves playing a much harder game than their opponents. 1 on 2. Smart versus the young bucks. Smart verse the rim. The young bucks verse their egos, etc.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 13, 2021 20:12:02 GMT -5
Good news for UMass no double big lineups tonight
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Post by cdj on Nov 13, 2021 21:04:37 GMT -5
Tatum pisses me off. Gets Garland in a switch backs him down, kicks it out, resets, gets it back, and bricks an 18 footer. TERRIBLE.
Schroder does not piss me off
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Post by cdj on Nov 13, 2021 21:26:36 GMT -5
Timelord is a menace
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 13, 2021 21:28:33 GMT -5
Please bench Tatum if he’s going to continue taking garbage shots
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Post by jmei on Nov 13, 2021 21:36:03 GMT -5
How many seasons and coaches is it going to take before we realize that Tatum’s crappy shot selection is on him?
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Post by jmei on Nov 13, 2021 21:38:15 GMT -5
Rob Williams is the third best basketball player on this team.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 13, 2021 21:46:19 GMT -5
Looks like they’re going to make this game extra hard on themselves per usual
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Post by cdj on Nov 13, 2021 21:49:46 GMT -5
Get Timelord and Tatum on the court, ffs
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 13, 2021 21:50:06 GMT -5
They’re just such an unintelligent team, my goodness
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Post by cdj on Nov 13, 2021 21:51:36 GMT -5
Jabari stinks
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 13, 2021 21:55:37 GMT -5
wow...11-0 so far outscored in 4th Q.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 13, 2021 21:58:03 GMT -5
Correction - 15-2 - lead all gone. Tatum shooting them to a loss, possibly...still time to pull it out.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 13, 2021 21:58:36 GMT -5
Loser team, led by selfish players and incompetent coaches.
They’re just never going to get it.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 13, 2021 22:08:12 GMT -5
Bench Tatum
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 13, 2021 22:08:18 GMT -5
T is for Tatum, and Turnovers.
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