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Boston Celtics 2021-2022 Season
cdj
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Post by cdj on Nov 20, 2021 21:34:39 GMT -5
Grant is starting to string some good play together…
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Post by mobaz on Nov 20, 2021 21:38:16 GMT -5
Always snatching defeat or near defeat from the jaws of victory...
Glad they hung on
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 20, 2021 21:45:49 GMT -5
They need to be winning this sort of game bigger/more easily. but...back over .500
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 20, 2021 22:22:21 GMT -5
Really good win aside from the last minute with the deep bench scare, but one thing to be somewhat concerned is how lost Nesmith looked. He looked China-bound.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 21, 2021 6:27:14 GMT -5
I thought this was a good quote from Karalis in his article this morning. It can apply to a lot of things: “I’m amused by how we love to nitpick the finer details in games like this one but we can be very dismissive of other teams going through similar issues. When it’s the other team, it’s “oh, they were missing two starters and were on a back-to-back? Okay, that OKC comeback makes a little more sense.” When it’s your team, it becomes a referendum on each player and coach’s personality. The lesson, I guess, is that when we’re watching these guys so intently every single day, it’s easy to get too close. Getting too close can produce some exaggerated results.” www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2021/11/21/karalis-random-thoughts-on-the-celtics-who-now-finally-have-a-winning-record
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 21, 2021 12:31:29 GMT -5
I can't stop laughing, he's really talking about missing people while playing that Thunder team?
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Post by texs31 on Nov 21, 2021 12:55:22 GMT -5
Much like Marcus Smart, Karalis is 100% correct but probably chose the wrong night to say it.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 21, 2021 13:26:26 GMT -5
I thought this was a good quote from Karalis in his article this morning. It can apply to a lot of things: “I’m amused by how we love to nitpick the finer details in games like this one but we can be very dismissive of other teams going through similar issues. When it’s the other team, it’s “oh, they were missing two starters and were on a back-to-back? Okay, that OKC comeback makes a little more sense.” When it’s your team, it becomes a referendum on each player and coach’s personality. The lesson, I guess, is that when we’re watching these guys so intently every single day, it’s easy to get too close. Getting too close can produce some exaggerated results.” www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2021/11/21/karalis-random-thoughts-on-the-celtics-who-now-finally-have-a-winning-recordyup. He defined being avid fans
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 21, 2021 13:32:59 GMT -5
Well that's what happens when you focus mostly on D, play small rotations when healthy and aren't getting your bench guys ready. At the same time I feel some of our more impressive games have been with people out, it changes his crazy rotations.
Look what Schroder has been doing, yet Ime has already said he's going back to the bench when they are healthy. I'll give Smart some love for 7.6 assists over the last 5 games, his best stretch of the year. I've made my thoughts well known.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 21, 2021 16:54:13 GMT -5
Well that's what happens when you focus mostly on D, play small rotations when healthy and aren't getting your bench guys ready. At the same time I feel some of our more impressive games have been with people out, it changes his crazy rotations. Look what Schroder has been doing, yet Ime has already said he's going back to the bench when they are healthy. I'll give Smart some love for 7.6 assists over the last 5 games, his best stretch of the year. I've made my thoughts well known. I think you're overreacting here friend, there were 2 deep bench scares with Stevens last season and Brad used pretty much everyone. Up big with a minute to go, in theory you just don't do anything stupid and you got it. Besides, the closest they got was, I believe, 4 points WITHOUT possession and 10 seconds to go. It was uncomfortable, but not unbearable. I get people are jumpy, this season has been mostly shit, but, you know, this wasn't a SYMPTOM of a larger problem, just one of those things.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 21, 2021 23:46:25 GMT -5
Well that's what happens when you focus mostly on D, play small rotations when healthy and aren't getting your bench guys ready. At the same time I feel some of our more impressive games have been with people out, it changes his crazy rotations. Look what Schroder has been doing, yet Ime has already said he's going back to the bench when they are healthy. I'll give Smart some love for 7.6 assists over the last 5 games, his best stretch of the year. I've made my thoughts well known. I think you're overreacting here friend, there were 2 deep bench scares with Stevens last season and Brad used pretty much everyone. Up big with a minute to go, in theory you just don't do anything stupid and you got it. Besides, the closest they got was, I believe, 4 points WITHOUT possession and 10 seconds to go. It was uncomfortable, but not unbearable. I get people are jumpy, this season has been mostly shit, but, you know, this wasn't a SYMPTOM of a larger problem, just one of those things. I might very well be doing that, I'm not giving Ime the benefit of the doubt till he's earned it though. Was there anything like last night? Take your starters out with 50 seconds left, put them back in 40 seconds later?
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Post by ianrs on Nov 22, 2021 5:34:29 GMT -5
This team is really good and I stand by what I said earlier.
Also Grant Williams is good. He got way too much hate in a miscast role last year (though to be fair he came in out of shape, it was a weird season for everyone). Don't look now but he has a higher WS/48 than Draymond did during both their age 23 seasons. Really think he's morphing into the essential D-first, high IQ glue guy 4 that we really needed on this team. Pretty great hybrid in the style of PJ Tucker/Draymond Green (not saying he is at that level, but contributes in the little ways similarly).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 22, 2021 10:45:18 GMT -5
Here is the salary cap outlook for next offseason. Who on this list do you think will be targeting a guy like Schroeder? The first team on the list is maybe the Knicks? I doubt Chicago would especially, if they resign LaVine. I always get surprised so it’s anyones guess i suppose. As I said before the Knicks would be my #1 worry. Fournier and Walker have boasted their offense, yet D went from #1 to #17. Kemba Walker is going to the basket even less than last year and his FT are down yet again. I'd say Minnesota is #2, he'd be a nice upgrade over Beverley. Yet to look at the whole picture, you need to look at sign and trades, along with teams with trade exceptions.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 22, 2021 10:48:17 GMT -5
This team is really good and I stand by what I said earlier. Also Grant Williams is good. He got way too much hate in a miscast role last year (though to be fair he came in out of shape, it was a weird season for everyone). Don't look now but he has a higher WS/48 than Draymond did during both their age 23 seasons. Really think he's morphing into the essential D-first, high IQ glue guy 4 that we really needed on this team. Pretty great hybrid in the style of PJ Tucker/Draymond Green (not saying he is at that level, but contributes in the little ways similarly). I have to ask, what miscast role?
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Post by dangermike on Nov 22, 2021 14:56:58 GMT -5
This team is really good and I stand by what I said earlier. Also Grant Williams is good. He got way too much hate in a miscast role last year (though to be fair he came in out of shape, it was a weird season for everyone). Don't look now but he has a higher WS/48 than Draymond did during both their age 23 seasons. Really think he's morphing into the essential D-first, high IQ glue guy 4 that we really needed on this team. Pretty great hybrid in the style of PJ Tucker/Draymond Green (not saying he is at that level, but contributes in the little ways similarly). I have to ask, what miscast role? seems like he was the singular big a lot last season - he's been playing well as a 4 this year - a corner shooter and a dynamic defender when he has someone like al or rob williams as backup behind him.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 22, 2021 15:23:54 GMT -5
Here is the salary cap outlook for next offseason. Who on this list do you think will be targeting a guy like Schroeder? The first team on the list is maybe the Knicks? I doubt Chicago would especially, if they resign LaVine. I always get surprised so it’s anyones guess i suppose. As I said before the Knicks would be my #1 worry. Fournier and Walker have boasted their offense, yet D went from #1 to #17. Kemba Walker is going to the basket even less than last year and his FT are down yet again. I'd say Minnesota is #2, he'd be a nice upgrade over Beverley. Yet to look at the whole picture, you need to look at sign and trades, along with teams with trade exceptions. How does a sign and trade affect Schroeder?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 22, 2021 17:09:25 GMT -5
I have to ask, what miscast role? seems like he was the singular big a lot last season - he's been playing well as a 4 this year - a corner shooter and a dynamic defender when he has someone like al or rob williams as backup behind him. He's played center, when he'd be the singular big 6%, 7% and 6% of the time the last three years. His defensive ratings 108, 114, and 110. The teams defensive rating for the last three years 107.0, 112.5 and 106.4. So he was minus one, minus 1.5 and this year minus 3.6. He's a little quicker, yet I still don't see a good individual defender, yet he's a good smart team defender. The massive difference? Effective FG%, .469, .534 and. 657. Points per 36 minutes 8.2, 9.3 and 13.1. Ime is playing so many non shooters that Grant is getting more looks and hitting them at a crazy high rate. Which is great if he can maintain that, he's also cut his TOs given his new role of just sitting on the 3 point line. Yet also career lows in rebounds, assists, steals and blocks per 36 minutes. I'm not trying to slam Grant either, because I know that's coming, so let's make that clear. I said years ago his best way forward on offense was to become a great 3 point shooters, so let's see if he can maintain it. It's just playing him more, as an every game main piece has also exposed his D. I certainly don't see how it's helped it. Yet those big lineups with limiting shooting sure do help him get more open three point shots.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 22, 2021 17:17:46 GMT -5
As I said before the Knicks would be my #1 worry. Fournier and Walker have boasted their offense, yet D went from #1 to #17. Kemba Walker is going to the basket even less than last year and his FT are down yet again. I'd say Minnesota is #2, he'd be a nice upgrade over Beverley. Yet to look at the whole picture, you need to look at sign and trades, along with teams with trade exceptions. How does a sign and trade affect Schroeder? Allows team that might not have the cap space, yet have the room below the hard cap to get him.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 22, 2021 17:52:56 GMT -5
Was there anything like last night? Take your starters out with 50 seconds left, put them back in 40 seconds later? Not quite the same, but there were 2 games where the garbage squad came in the 4th and one of them for sure the starters had to come back, not sure about the other. Ime is a rookie coach and probably got a bit cocky there, but I feel you here, he hasn't earned any lenience yet. He'll have his first official trap game tonight. Let's see how he does!
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 22, 2021 21:20:00 GMT -5
How does a sign and trade affect Schroeder? Allows team that might not have the cap space, yet have the room below the hard cap to get him. The Celtics can only sign him for a set amount which will be below the no taxpayer MLE. I don’t see a sign and trade being a practical option in this case. That usually only applies with Bird rights.
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Post by cdj on Nov 22, 2021 21:31:09 GMT -5
Rockets are so bad lol
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Post by cdj on Nov 22, 2021 21:41:42 GMT -5
We want Hauser!
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 22, 2021 22:12:21 GMT -5
The Rockets are absolutely atrocious, but they have some guys who can get somewhat hot and the Celtics kept them all at bay.
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Post by cdj on Nov 22, 2021 22:34:48 GMT -5
I’m liking this version of Marcus we are seeing lately. Seems like he’s actually playing PG and not looking for his own shot. He’s super valuable when he’s not killing possessions with bad shots
Grant with another nice game despite not an eye-popping box score
Langford with a good game off the bench
Good to have Timelord and Jaylen back
Jayson is officially getting hot. Water is finding its level
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 23, 2021 8:52:32 GMT -5
A long needed beatdown of an inferior team. time to put some distance between a .500 record and the team- time for a good run.
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