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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 23, 2021 12:00:07 GMT -5
Allows team that might not have the cap space, yet have the room below the hard cap to get him. The Celtics can only sign him for a set amount which will be below the no taxpayer MLE. I don’t see a sign and trade being a practical option in this case. That usually only applies with Bird rights. The Celtics like every other team can make trades, which in my opinion is practical. Given the way Stevens talked about the Horford trade and how he wanted to trade this years pick freeing up future picks. I'd say he's looking at all options. Stretching Horfords 14.5 million dead money and say trading Smart for a pick to a team with cap space or a trade exceptions would net you around 12-13 million in cap space as an example. Insert whoever they might be after. Heck I almost expect a trade at the deadline this year. If this is Ime coaching style, the roster could use changes. The roster is set up for the way Stevens coached. So my idea of practical isn't just looking at salaries currently on the books and acting like they are fixed. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 23, 2021 12:07:11 GMT -5
Was there anything like last night? Take your starters out with 50 seconds left, put them back in 40 seconds later? Not quite the same, but there were 2 games where the garbage squad came in the 4th and one of them for sure the starters had to come back, not sure about the other. Ime is a rookie coach and probably got a bit cocky there, but I feel you here, he hasn't earned any lenience yet. He'll have his first official trap game tonight. Let's see how he does! I certainly remember games that were blowouts in the 4th that got real close after a long stretches of the bench playing. I don't fault a coach for that, that's good experience for young guys. You should do that up 20 halfway through the 4th. How much experience does a young guy get coming in with 50 seconds left? It really upsets me watching Pritchard play a minute here and a minute there all the time. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 23, 2021 12:14:55 GMT -5
The Celtics can only sign him for a set amount which will be below the no taxpayer MLE. I don’t see a sign and trade being a practical option in this case. That usually only applies with Bird rights. The Celtics like every other team can make trades, which in my opinion is practical. Given the way Stevens talked about the Horford trade and how he wanted to trade this years pick freeing up future picks. I'd say he's looking at all options. Stretching Horfords 14.5 million dead money and say trading Smart for a pick to a team with cap space or a trade exceptions would net you around 12-13 million in cap space as an example. Insert whoever they might be after. Heck I almost expect a trade at the deadline this year. If this is Ime coaching style, the roster could use changes. The roster is set up for the way Stevens coached. So my idea of practical isn't just looking at salaries currently on the books and acting like they are fixed. So now you have no Al, no Smart and no Schroeder all to get 12-13m in space? I get some things can technically be done but it needs to at least make sense. Maybe I’m missing something here. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 23, 2021 12:39:46 GMT -5
The Celtics like every other team can make trades, which in my opinion is practical. Given the way Stevens talked about the Horford trade and how he wanted to trade this years pick freeing up future picks. I'd say he's looking at all options. Stretching Horfords 14.5 million dead money and say trading Smart for a pick to a team with cap space or a trade exceptions would net you around 12-13 million in cap space as an example. Insert whoever they might be after. Heck I almost expect a trade at the deadline this year. If this is Ime coaching style, the roster could use changes. The roster is set up for the way Stevens coached. So my idea of practical isn't just looking at salaries currently on the books and acting like they are fixed. So now you have no Al, no Smart and no Schroeder all to get 12-13m in space? I get some things can technically be done but it needs to at least make sense. Maybe I’m missing something here. Yeah the incert whoever they are after part. I'm not going to speculate about a bunch of guys, yet that only makes sense when going after someone you want and the team prefers a first round pick to Smart. Flip Schroder for a pick or maybe a young player a team wants in trade. This scenario is all about getting assets to make another move. I have every option available besides trading Tatum and Brown. I'd add trading Robert Williams to the very unlikely bin. After that everyone and everything is on the table. |
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Post by jmei on Nov 23, 2021 14:41:14 GMT -5
If they were interested in next year’s free agent class, they wouldn’t have extended Richardson and Smart. Anything could happen, but the odds that they end up being players in free agency next year are pretty low.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 23, 2021 16:07:47 GMT -5
If they were interested in next year’s free agent class, they wouldn’t have extended Richardson and Smart. Anything could happen, but the odds that they end up being players in free agency next year are pretty low. Most likely won't be too active in FA but Richardson and or smart could be used in a sign and trade for a free agent. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 24, 2021 10:05:30 GMT -5
I think they did those extensions for future trades, gives them a couple years to make a deal versus having to make one at the deadline. Allows Brad to focus on trades this off-season. You want a free agent it's going to be a sign and trade. Which is what my last example was all about, acquiring assets for a trade and lowering salary as a sign and trade will hard cap you. While also creating room for that trade exception.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 24, 2021 20:38:50 GMT -5
Such a pathetic half of basketball. This team can’t shoot to save its life.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 24, 2021 21:05:42 GMT -5
Half of NBA officials need to be tossed into a volcano, and Tony Brothers should be first in line. You cannot be worse at your job than that dude.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 24, 2021 21:07:35 GMT -5
46 shots, 27 3 point shots in the first half.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 24, 2021 21:12:27 GMT -5
This is the most mentally fragile group of talented players I can remember.
I really think a fairly big change is needed. Nothing improves year to year, and the window will close quickly if they’re not careful here.
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Post by philarhody on Nov 24, 2021 21:45:32 GMT -5
This is the most mentally fragile group of talented players I can remember. I really think a fairly big change is needed. Nothing improves year to year, and the window will close quickly if they’re not careful here. Yup I agree with your negative assessments excepting those made when the Cs win. Otherwise the Celtics are soft, don't care, don't know how to win and the coaching is awful. I think that pretty much summarizes things. Unless radical change is made, and it may be, I guess I'll just slit my throat. I’ve been saying for the past two off seasons they needed to traded Jaylen Brown. This past offseason I suggested trading Scottie Barnes (2nd pick) and Christian Wood for Brown and you’d think I had suggested trading a 24 year old Larry Bird. Ime is atrocious, he is allowing these two to force threes that simply aren’t there. The accountability is nonexistent. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 24, 2021 22:50:18 GMT -5
I'm not worried about the offense too much after this game, guys had an off night. But the defense is worrisome, they were never able to set the tone. I think this roster is set to be a defensive powerhouse, but tonight it was clear they're not really there.
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Post by cdj on Nov 25, 2021 3:16:23 GMT -5
Bad!
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 25, 2021 10:22:09 GMT -5
Yup I agree with your negative assessments excepting those made when the Cs win. Otherwise the Celtics are soft, don't care, don't know how to win and the coaching is awful. I think that pretty much summarizes things. Unless radical change is made, and it may be, I guess I'll just slit my throat. I’ve been saying for the past two off seasons they needed to traded Jaylen Brown. This past offseason I suggested trading Scottie Barnes (2nd pick) and Christian Wood for Brown and you’d think I had suggested trading a 24 year old Larry Bird. Ime is atrocious, he is allowing these two to force threes that simply aren’t there. The accountability is nonexistent. I was being partially facetious. Someone referenced an article that noted fans vacillate b/t praising and condemning their teams depending on game to game performance. I don't really think the C's are soft or quitters. Last night we played a superior team and got waxed. Based on last year and this, we are a middling team. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 25, 2021 10:40:08 GMT -5
Part of having a great defense is having a good offense, making baskets and setting up your D.
I just can't see what Ime is thinking matchup wise. No matter who they play Ime roles out the same lineups. Nets start Alridge and Durant at center and PF, Ime still roles out Grant with Robert out and you know he would have started Robert if healthy. There is just zero adjustments, only changes are when guys are out and even then we know his patterns. We're just about a quarter of the way through the season.
Now if you're going to play that way, you don't take half your shots from deep. If you want to play that way you need to be playing Pritchard, Nesmith and Juan a lot more. Even then I hate that, it screams lazy. 2020 playoffs a big part of our success was we could score without three pointers and the others teams struggled when they went cold. I'm so highly confused by what Ime is trying to do. What is his offense plan? This is my idea of team play and it's not surprising given who he plays.
This game was a big test and they failed horribly. He gets a D- grade from me so far. I just don’t see it, so many people raved about him and I've yet to really see anything that shows me he's a good coach.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 25, 2021 10:57:41 GMT -5
Yup I agree with your negative assessments excepting those made when the Cs win. Otherwise the Celtics are soft, don't care, don't know how to win and the coaching is awful. I think that pretty much summarizes things. Unless radical change is made, and it may be, I guess I'll just slit my throat. I’ve been saying for the past two off seasons they needed to traded Jaylen Brown. This past offseason I suggested trading Scottie Barnes (2nd pick) and Christian Wood for Brown and you’d think I had suggested trading a 24 year old Larry Bird. Ime is atrocious, he is allowing these two to force threes that simply aren’t there. The accountability is nonexistent. How does that help given what Ime is doing? How does trading Brown for Barnes and Woods help? Add more guys that aren't good shooters to a team that is already playing too many guys like that? Now if you got Lonzo Ball I can see that helping a ton. You need players to help Tatum and Brown, not trading them. Look who Ime is playing around those guys, what else are they going to do? Ime system is play the best defensive guys and put all the offensive pressure on Tatum and Brown. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 25, 2021 12:02:37 GMT -5
At this point I think they clearly are their record. The recent articles about Tatum's character are not surprising (to me), but pretty disappointing. Something in this team's construction is seriously amiss.
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Post by philarhody on Nov 25, 2021 18:32:43 GMT -5
I’ve been saying for the past two off seasons they needed to traded Jaylen Brown. This past offseason I suggested trading Scottie Barnes (2nd pick) and Christian Wood for Brown and you’d think I had suggested trading a 24 year old Larry Bird. Ime is atrocious, he is allowing these two to force threes that simply aren’t there. The accountability is nonexistent. How does that help given what Ime is doing? How does trading Brown for Barnes and Woods help? Add more guys that aren't good shooters to a team that is already playing too many guys like that? Now if you got Lonzo Ball I can see that helping a ton. You need players to help Tatum and Brown, not trading them. Look who Ime is playing around those guys, what else are they going to do? Ime system is play the best defensive guys and put all the offensive pressure on Tatum and Brown. Because the problem with this team isn’t a lack of outside shooting. The problem with this team is the terrible shot selection that results from a complete lack of accountability. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 25, 2021 21:06:03 GMT -5
How does that help given what Ime is doing? How does trading Brown for Barnes and Woods help? Add more guys that aren't good shooters to a team that is already playing too many guys like that? Now if you got Lonzo Ball I can see that helping a ton. You need players to help Tatum and Brown, not trading them. Look who Ime is playing around those guys, what else are they going to do? Ime system is play the best defensive guys and put all the offensive pressure on Tatum and Brown. Because the problem with this team isn’t a lack of outside shooting. The problem with this team is the terrible shot selection that results from a complete lack of accountability. I don't disagree about the accountability part, yet I will certainly push back on having enough shooting to open things up inside for Tatum and Brown. Ime choice is Robert Williams, Horford and Smart, that's not good shooting or ball movement. He then loves Grant Williams, Schroder and Richardson. He's gone games playing basically just those eight. The best shooter out of those guys not named Tatum or Brown is Grant Williams. That's why this team is 25th in 3 point shooting. If you're another team, what are you going to do if Grant Williams is the best shooter spacing Tatum and Brown? Clog the paint, double team them and dare those guys to beat you? |
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Post by ianrs on Nov 26, 2021 5:36:09 GMT -5
This is the most mentally fragile group of talented players I can remember. I really think a fairly big change is needed. Nothing improves year to year, and the window will close quickly if they’re not careful here. Still not worried at all. East is ridiculously crowded and we've been missing JB and Rob. Honestly pretty much my only concern is that Tatum seems to have bulked up *too much*. He regularly seems winded and is missing a few steps from when he was younger. People said the same stuff about Giannis and the Bucks. Do we need to package players for a better one? Yes. But not sure what that is. I think the mentally fragile stuff is completely overblown and somehow people attach winning and losing to mental issues now for some reason. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 26, 2021 20:57:32 GMT -5
Hey, how 'bout them Celts tonight? Can we be concerned yet???
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 26, 2021 21:00:17 GMT -5
This is the most mentally fragile group of talented players I can remember. I really think a fairly big change is needed. Nothing improves year to year, and the window will close quickly if they’re not careful here. Still not worried at all. East is ridiculously crowded and we've been missing JB and Rob. Honestly pretty much my only concern is that Tatum seems to have bulked up *too much*. He regularly seems winded and is missing a few steps from when he was younger. People said the same stuff about Giannis and the Bucks. Do we need to package players for a better one? Yes. But not sure what that is. I think the mentally fragile stuff is completely overblown and somehow people attach winning and losing to mental issues now for some reason. Oh yeah? |
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 26, 2021 21:12:58 GMT -5
BRICK CITY!
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Post by cdj on Nov 26, 2021 21:15:58 GMT -5
Embarrassing
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