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Boston Celtics 2021-2022 Season
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 10, 2021 11:25:50 GMT -5
Disagree with the two takes above. Everyone has to buy in, including Tatum and Smart - and we don't know how much of this is on Ime, really. Playing iso ball, filling up the stat sheet with turnovers - I am not willing to let Tatum off the hook for the results they are getting. I see it as a team effort of underwhelm. Overall, there is a root cause or two leading to this - either the wrong mix of players, or the wrong system for the players, or just occasional indifference by the players. Thank goodness for the Pats, because the Celts and Bruins are providing seasons of mediocrity. Yeah we actually know a lot of this is on Ime, unless you like the lineups, pairings, rotations and overall offense. I don't and so many in the Boston Media are making excuses like injuries and they just need to make baskets. You just lost to the Clippers without their best two players. I see a coach trying to be last years Knicks, the team blownout in the first round, that went after offense this off-season. Right now I'm debating who's better Ime or ML Carr? |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 10, 2021 22:19:53 GMT -5
Watching the Suns game on Sling. Already Smart drives into a shot blocker, Tatum late on covering a corner 3, and Horford driving into a shot blocker. Only offense from Tatum so far - all 8 points. Suns 5 for 5.
Tatum 12 of the Celts 16 at the mid first quarter time out.
Nesmith and Lankford first off the bench.
and...three turnovers in a row.
Our shooting is so ugly at times - Tatum gets all the way to the rim and missed, Smart bricks a short shot, Tatum another miss. But - we are only down 1 after the first quarter.
second quarter - missed a chippie, ugly miss from Smart - thankfully Suns aren't shooting well either....and now it is getting ugly - poor D, out of control O.
Getting worse - defense slipping, lots of standing around and poor shots on offense, 17-6 outscored with 6 min left in quarter 2. Celtics simply look awful right now. Tatum just clunked two free throws. Second quarter 4 turnovers, 4 baskets with 3 min left. Shooting 3s and standing there watching them miss - no crashing the boards. Now Smart clunked 2 FTs. Outscored 29-9 with 2:30 remaining. End of first half thoughts - Tatum is trying to do way too much and ends up out of control, Schroder the only really effective player. Horford looked useless. Grant Williams looked lost. Robert Williams looked nearly as lost. Smart was horrible. Lankford the only somewhat effective bench player. There is a huge gap in talent between Phoenix (even with their injuries) and the Celtics. Not even sure Boston is a .500 team the way they are constructed, and the way they are playing.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 10, 2021 23:09:01 GMT -5
Watching the Suns game on Sling. Already Smart drives into a shot blocker, Tatum late on covering a corner 3, and Horford driving into a shot blocker. Only offense from Tatum so far - all 8 points. Suns 5 for 5. Tatum 12 of the Celts 16 at the mid first quarter time out. Nesmith and Lankford first off the bench. and...three turnovers in a row. Our shooting is so ugly at times - Tatum gets all the way to the rim and missed, Smart bricks a short shot, Tatum another miss. But - we are only down 1 after the first quarter. second quarter - missed a chippie, ugly miss from Smart - thankfully Suns aren't shooting well either....and now it is getting ugly - poor D, out of control O. Getting worse - defense slipping, lots of standing around and poor shots on offense, 17-6 outscored with 6 min left in quarter 2. Celtics simply look awful right now. Tatum just clunked two free throws. Second quarter 4 turnovers, 4 baskets with 3 min left. I have an old, rusty blade if you'd like to use it.😊 C's shooting an unfathomable 8% from 3. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 10, 2021 23:15:47 GMT -5
Watching the Suns game on Sling. Already Smart drives into a shot blocker, Tatum late on covering a corner 3, and Horford driving into a shot blocker. Only offense from Tatum so far - all 8 points. Suns 5 for 5. Tatum 12 of the Celts 16 at the mid first quarter time out. Nesmith and Lankford first off the bench. and...three turnovers in a row. Our shooting is so ugly at times - Tatum gets all the way to the rim and missed, Smart bricks a short shot, Tatum another miss. But - we are only down 1 after the first quarter. second quarter - missed a chippie, ugly miss from Smart - thankfully Suns aren't shooting well either....and now it is getting ugly - poor D, out of control O. Getting worse - defense slipping, lots of standing around and poor shots on offense, 17-6 outscored with 6 min left in quarter 2. Celtics simply look awful right now. Tatum just clunked two free throws. Second quarter 4 turnovers, 4 baskets with 3 min left. I have an old, rusty blade if you'd like to use it.😊 C's shooting an unfathomable 8% from 3. I've watched only a few games this year. But boy, are we capable of completely sucking! Tonight's first half was painful to watch. Ime seems to have no effect at all on the team, either. How about this - Smart, 0-7, 0-2 FTs, 0 assists. Team 1-12 on 3s, only 5 assists |
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 10, 2021 23:18:42 GMT -5
Team of losers
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 10, 2021 23:22:42 GMT -5
I've been waiting for this....😊 |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 10, 2021 23:24:58 GMT -5
I've been waiting for this....😊 Clockwork! I just read that Ime stated (on NESN) that his team "isn't the most energetic group at the start of games". Great. Tonight they were energetic - just....pretty meh. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 10, 2021 23:32:19 GMT -5
Third quarter - our 3s are not even close - they are bricks so loud I can hear them from my home. 1 for 14, 7 percent.
50% on FTs, now 1-16 on 3s, 6%
and Phoenix is being nice enough to let us back into the game by playing totally out of control...at end of third, Suns by 15, Smart 1-13, 0 assists. Tatum and Schroder 35 points, everyone else 34 combined. 19 assists for the Suns, 8 for the Celts.
white flag waved with 5 min remaining. If Boston's players - and coach - aren't embarrassed after this....they should be. Horrible game, horrible shooting, horrible defense. 2 quarters with 15 points each isn't going to win many games.
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Post by cdj on Dec 11, 2021 6:52:17 GMT -5
Garrison Matthews playing his ass off for a hot rockets team….
We had the shooting in-house….
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Post by rminns10 on Dec 11, 2021 7:03:09 GMT -5
13 assists on 35 made shots
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 11, 2021 10:41:18 GMT -5
Third quarter - our 3s are not even close - they are bricks so loud I can hear them from my home. 1 for 14, 7 percent. 50% on FTs, now 1-16 on 3s, 6% and Phoenix is being nice enough to let us back into the game by playing totally out of control...at end of third, Suns by 15, Smart 1-13, 0 assists. Tatum and Schroder 35 points, everyone else 34 combined. 19 assists for the Suns, 8 for the Celts. white flag waved with 5 min remaining. If Boston's players - and coach - aren't embarrassed after this....they should be. Horrible game, horrible shooting, horrible defense. 2 quarters with 15 points each isn't going to win many games. They’re not embarrassed because they’ve gotten used to this. Tatum is just a numbers guy at this point who doesn’t impact winning much, Smart is a fifth option who thinks he’s an All-Star, and Jaylen is a really good player who might not be consistently healthy. We have a very large sample size that this core simply doesn’t work. Let’s hope Brad is actually paying attention because a change needs to happen. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 11, 2021 11:54:14 GMT -5
Before you blow the team up and tank, why don't we just fire the coach? Ask yourself do you think matching Horford versus Jae Crowder is a great matchup? Look who the Sun's were playing and the Ime played Horford, Robert Williams and Grant Williams 80 minutes. You just can't play that way in today's NBA unless those guys can take advantage of their size by scoring at will in the paint and that's not those players. The Knicks had Randle, guys a beast. I just never seen a coach who does worse matchups than Ime does, he's not even giving the team a chance.
Stop starting two bigs, stop acting like Grant Williams is a 6th man of the year type guy. Stop acting like Smart should be the PG over Schroder. I don't care if it's Robert Williams or Horford, just pick one.
I would have likely started Robert Williams, Tatum, Langford, Nesmith and Schroder last game. Then come in with Horford, Grant, Smart and Pritchard. If you lose, than so be it, yet at minimum you matched up against the other team and tried creating a balanced unit that had the right mix of scoring, passing, shooting and D. They started Shamlet, heck maybe start Pritchard and Schroder. Maybe replace Grant with Sam Hauser to add more shooting. You can basically pick out anything other than what Ime is doing, it's beyond laughable at this point.
I don't understand how anyone can be calling out Tatum, when a coach keeps surrounding him with Robert Williams, Horford, Smart and Schroder. The Horford trade has been a disaster because of the way Ime is using this roster.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 11, 2021 14:08:17 GMT -5
Yeah I'm also inching closer to "fire Ime" territory. 2 bigs with Smart running point doesn't work even if they were balling out of their minds. Horford is struggling lately, you need to put him on the second squad. While Brown is out, I'd like to see him running almost a hockey rotation: Schroder, Smart, Richardson, Tatum and RWIII to start then PP, Romeo, Nesmith, Grant and Horford next. Then you mix them as the game goes on.
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Post by mobaz on Dec 11, 2021 14:24:13 GMT -5
Maybe Smart is somehow the team's biggest problem, but if so shame on Brad for doing the extension. I don't think he makes it through the deadline, just because something needs to change.
Honestly can't imagine they fire Ime until this time next year, even if he really is the biggest problem right now. I was worried when he hired his staff and it didn't include a veteran head coach or frankly much pro coaching experience at all. Wonder if he's suffering from not having that 2nd voice of authority.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 11, 2021 14:51:48 GMT -5
Maybe Smart is somehow the team's biggest problem, but if so shame on Brad for doing the extension. I don't think he makes it through the deadline, just because something needs to change. Honestly can't imagine they fire Ime until this time next year, even if he really is the biggest problem right now. I was worried when he hired his staff and it didn't include a veteran head coach or frankly much pro coaching experience at all. Wonder if he's suffering from not having that 2nd voice of authority. I was also shocked, wanted a lead assistant with head coaching experience. Now it's rather clear that guy needs to be a creative offensive mind. Ime was likely the coach on the Sixers pushing to sign and play Horford at PF. I just don’t understand how he didn't learn anything from that or how the Nets went small and benched Jordan. It was a brilliant piece of coaching to find the right mix to get the most out of your stars. The last two years the idea of going big was canned in favor of going smaller in today's NBA. So what does Ime do, the exact thing that didn't work on his last two teams. That scares the crap out of me. It's about time for Stevens to get involved. You don't want to do that, especially with a new head coach, yet that's were we are. His staff is so bad, if you did fire him, who takes over? I don't know if Smart is the biggest problem, if used differently he could still be a plus. Yet that contract is horrible, he's just not that level of player. Maybe we can flip him for Turner, so Ime can play three centers. Smart shouldn't be the starting PG and he needs to be matched up with a good shooter. Smart and Pritchard works if Pritchard is the PG. |
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Post by texs31 on Dec 12, 2021 18:47:04 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time watching Schroder play and thinking that he's the guy to get the Jays the ball and not Smart. Meanwhile, for a team that needs to share the ball more, Schroder's place on the better lineups from that standpoint (Assist +/-) are only ones where Marcus is also part of the lineup OR neither Tatum or Brown are in it.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 13, 2021 9:21:12 GMT -5
Umm Smart and Schroder have played in 25 games together averaging 22.1 minutes of playing time together per game. Each has played in 26 games.
I'd also point out that Ime has clearly made Smart the PG when they play together and Schroder the SG. I certainly saw it early in the season. Give Schroder ten games as the PG and see what happens, yet do it with only one big and add a shooter better than Smart. I think that's a one game sample size right now.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 13, 2021 9:22:13 GMT -5
Whelp, let's see how they do tonight with Jaylen back. Fingers crossed they can turn this ship around.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 13, 2021 10:54:26 GMT -5
Whelp, let's see how they do tonight with Jaylen back. Fingers crossed they can turn this ship around. I hope that you don't get hand cramps from crossing your fingers.😊 I am not currently an optimist when it comes to the C's. Over the last 100 or so games they are .500. That says something. I'm sure that they could make minor tweaks playing this guy or that at different positions, giving some guys more playing time, some less, different combos, instilling more "we ball"....but at some point we are what we are....not much more than a 50/50 club....talent poor. Having Brown healthy and in the lineup previously hasn't altered our course much to date. Our recent drafts have not been greatly productive. Schroeder goes at year end. Al will be another year older. The Jays may become disgruntled. I think a big personnel shakeup is on the horizon without which longer term mediocrity seems our destiny. I could see Brown, Al, Smart, Schroeder gone by the deadline. The kids may stay because they have only throw in value. I don't want to see us trade more draft picks in a patch effort. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 13, 2021 11:42:09 GMT -5
IMO the solution is: Never playing 2 big lineups again since apparently Horford's shooting has regressed. Robert Williams playing better, he looks like he has significantly regressed and falling into old bad habits. Getting Jaylen back 100%, which moves Schröder to the bench as the perfect 6th man. Honestly I feel like Horford and Timelord's play have been a big reason behind this slide (after missing Jaylen obviously) that people haven't really acknowledged. All well and good, but does that get you closer to a championship or playoff threat? A 25 year old Al isn't walking thru that door. Schroeder will be gone at year end if not traded. How will the team look next year under those circumstances? 🥶 |
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Post by ianrs on Dec 13, 2021 13:18:48 GMT -5
IMO the solution is: Never playing 2 big lineups again since apparently Horford's shooting has regressed. Robert Williams playing better, he looks like he has significantly regressed and falling into old bad habits. Getting Jaylen back 100%, which moves Schröder to the bench as the perfect 6th man. Honestly I feel like Horford and Timelord's play have been a big reason behind this slide (after missing Jaylen obviously) that people haven't really acknowledged. All well and good, but does that get you closer to a championship or playoff threat? A 25 year old Al isn't walking thru that door. Schroeder will be gone at year end if not traded. How will the team look next year under those circumstances? 🥶 IMO it just depends on Jayson and Jaylens development. If they are legitimate stars, the sky is the limit. If Tatum is Carmelo 2.0 (fwiw I don't think he is) and Jaylen is injury prone, we're pretty screwed. I think any aspirations for a championship this season have certainly sailed. I think if things break right we could have a decent playoff run but that's a big if. |
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Post by texs31 on Dec 13, 2021 17:05:11 GMT -5
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 13, 2021 18:52:17 GMT -5
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 13, 2021 19:38:43 GMT -5
Absolutely! Cs have to make moves for the more distant future. This year is again toast. The future is more than cloudy. Get more picks not less and use them wisely. Bye bye Al, Marcus, Dennis, Josh et al...It didn't work. Thanks to all, but Regroup. |
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Post by texs31 on Dec 13, 2021 19:48:18 GMT -5
Uhh. Not sure that's the conclusion the article is making.
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