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Boston Celtics 2021-2022 Season
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Post by texs31 on Dec 13, 2021 19:51:58 GMT -5
Meanwhile, Jaylen is hurt again. Limping after a play and asked to come out.
EDIT - Spoke with trainers and is still on the so it might not be "a thing".
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 13, 2021 21:44:49 GMT -5
See - my crossed fingers are working!
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 13, 2021 21:48:51 GMT -5
I guess the answer is Jayson Tatum would be the best player of all-time if I asked why he can't play like this every game?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 13, 2021 21:52:49 GMT -5
Some interesting stats, aside from Tatum's explosion. Smart only 2 points, but 11 assists and zero turnovers. Grant Williams 17, with 5 of 7 on threes, and 7 rebounds. Jaylen a welcome addition. How many of these types of games can they string together (finally)  |
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Post by ianrs on Dec 14, 2021 3:16:47 GMT -5
Great win. Nice to have Jaylen back and see Grant really come into his own.
I'll take that Marcus Smart line any game.
By the way any person that harps about trading Tatum I stop taking seriously. I'm not necessarily talking about here; mostly been this weird desire to break up Tatum and Brown in the media lately. Dude is the only reason we are even close to .500 and continues to improve every game in all aspects.
NBA leaders in 4th quarter scoring
1. Jayson Tatum – 194 points
2. DeMar DeRozan – 178 points
3. Giannis Antetokoumpo – 174 points
4. Zach Lavine – 162 points
5. Kevin Durant – 154 points
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 14, 2021 5:50:32 GMT -5
One of the guys to watch is Dennis Schröder. Asset management wise, they should be trading him for a first round pick then giving his minutes to the young kids (Pritchard, Langford and Nesmith). Team mentality and by that i mean Tatum and Brown, you probably can’t do that.
I think it’s low chances you can resign him and he’s played really well there could be a robust market for him. I think turning him into a first, even down the road would be good because, I think they may be at the point they need to do something drastic like trade 4 firsts in a package for a third star and using Dennis Schröder to offset one of those picks might be best. Any damage you do to Tatums happiness changes if you bring in Beal or someone else like him.
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Post by ianrs on Dec 14, 2021 6:08:18 GMT -5
One of the guys to watch is Dennis Schröder. Asset management wise, they should be trading him for a first round pick then giving his minutes to the young kids (Pritchard, Langford and Nesmith). Team mentality and by that i mean Tatum and Brown, you probably can’t do that. I think it’s low chances you can resign him and he’s played really well there could be a robust market for him. I think turning him into a first, even down the road would be good because, I think they may be at the point they need to do something drastic like trade 4 firsts in a package for a third star and using Dennis Schröder to offset one of those picks might be best. Any damage you do to Tatums happiness changes if you bring in Beal or someone else like him. Completely agreed with this. Getting a 1st for Schröder would be perfect. Then you fill the minutes gap with the three you mentioned which should roughly approximate what he gives you or at the least lets you know better what you have in them. You're obviously not resigning him and he's a nice piece but its not like he gets you over the hump anyway. 9 man rotation becomes Smart-Jaylen-Tatum-Grant(he's proved himself now)-Horford-Richardson-Timelord-Romeo-Nesmith/Pritchard Pretty solid honestly. I think Romeo is better than people think now as a 3/D slasher. Then to be honest I think Hasuer has some room to get run as a 3 point specialist, I don't see why not. Dude has been absolutely splashing in the G-league and I think our optimum offense is Tatum ballhandling with 4 shooters outside as we saw last night, if Tatum gets space to operate its REALLY hard to stop him and he has immense gravity when he drives to the rim. |
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Post by ianrs on Dec 14, 2021 6:32:28 GMT -5
Different styles of players but still interesting comparison...
Player A age 23 season (82 games): 6.2 PTS, 5.0 REB, 1.9 AST, 1.2 STL, 0.9 BLK in 21.9 mins/game, .333 3pt% on 2.0 att/g, .449 2pt% on 3.6 att/g, .667 FT%. Win shares/48 .119, 1.9 BPM, 1.8 VORP
Player B age 23 season (28 games): 7.5 PTS, 3.4 REB, 1.0 AST, 0.4 STL, 0.6 BLK in 22.1 mins/game, .453 3pt% on 3.4 att/g, .643 2pt% on 1.5 att/g, .867 FT%, Win shares/48 .142, -0.1 BPM, 0.3 VORP
Player C career avgs (734 games): 7.1 PTS, 5.7 REB, 1.4 AST, 0.7 STL, 0.3 BLK in 29.1 mins/game, .362 3pt% on 2.9 att/g, .476 2pt% on 3.2 att/g, .750 FT%, Win shares/48 .084
Who are the players?
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 14, 2021 7:44:55 GMT -5
I like seeing 31 assists.
I like the idea of getting 1st rd picks but does DS really get you that for a partial season under contract?
I like the idea of playing the young guys as it really doesn't matter what the short term veterans do on a team that isn't going to contend.
Is there any chance in h$!! that the team we saw last night could get some traction and start playing like that regularly?
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 14, 2021 8:23:57 GMT -5
Different styles of players but still interesting comparison... Player A age 23 season (82 games): 6.2 PTS, 5.0 REB, 1.9 AST, 1.2 STL, 0.9 BLK in 21.9 mins/game, .333 3pt% on 2.0 att/g, .449 2pt% on 3.6 att/g, .667 FT%. Win shares/48 .119, 1.9 BPM, 1.8 VORP Player B age 23 season (28 games): 7.5 PTS, 3.4 REB, 1.0 AST, 0.4 STL, 0.6 BLK in 22.1 mins/game, .453 3pt% on 3.4 att/g, .643 2pt% on 1.5 att/g, .867 FT%, Win shares/48 .142, -0.1 BPM, 0.3 VORP Player C career avgs (734 games): 7.1 PTS, 5.7 REB, 1.4 AST, 0.7 STL, 0.3 BLK in 29.1 mins/game, .362 3pt% on 2.9 att/g, .476 2pt% on 3.2 att/g, .750 FT%, Win shares/48 .084 Who are the players? Plater A is Draymond Green Player B is Grant Williams. Player C |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 14, 2021 8:32:16 GMT -5
Do we really like this line? 86 FG attempts, 47 3s and 13 FTs. Marcus Smart has 11 assists, 6 of them are on three point shots.
Who's giving up a first for Schroder? I mean, every team that trades for him will be in the same place. I won't say you can't, yet teams don't just give out firsts that often for rentals anymore. Now I do buy the robust market part, he's cheap and good. You might be better off looking at young players or true upgrades anyways. I hear Cam Reddish is on the Market. Looking at guys like Johnson and Cooper. A guy like Kessler Edwards who I just love. If you're going to be a .500 team plan for the future. I'm certainly not against trading Schroder if you won't make him the PG, especially if it means playing Pritchard. Yet unfortunately I agree with RJP, if they do trade him it's likely for immediate help or not at all.
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Post by ianrs on Dec 14, 2021 8:34:21 GMT -5
Different styles of players but still interesting comparison... Player A age 23 season (82 games): 6.2 PTS, 5.0 REB, 1.9 AST, 1.2 STL, 0.9 BLK in 21.9 mins/game, .333 3pt% on 2.0 att/g, .449 2pt% on 3.6 att/g, .667 FT%. Win shares/48 .119, 1.9 BPM, 1.8 VORP Player B age 23 season (28 games): 7.5 PTS, 3.4 REB, 1.0 AST, 0.4 STL, 0.6 BLK in 22.1 mins/game, .453 3pt% on 3.4 att/g, .643 2pt% on 1.5 att/g, .867 FT%, Win shares/48 .142, -0.1 BPM, 0.3 VORP Player C career avgs (734 games): 7.1 PTS, 5.7 REB, 1.4 AST, 0.7 STL, 0.3 BLK in 29.1 mins/game, .362 3pt% on 2.9 att/g, .476 2pt% on 3.2 att/g, .750 FT%, Win shares/48 .084 Who are the players? Plater A is Draymond Green Player B is Grant Williams. Player C Awesome, that's right! Player C is P.J. Tucker  Love to see Grant coming into his own as a versatile glue guy and knockdown shooter; exactly what we needed. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 14, 2021 9:16:19 GMT -5
Yea looking back to last year, it may be difficult to impossible to get a first round pick; if you don’t then you don’t deal him. Maybe the Nets would get desperate if Kyrie isn’t coming back. Anyways, carry on.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 14, 2021 10:51:43 GMT -5
I like seeing 31 assists. I like the idea of getting 1st rd picks but does DS really get you that for a partial season under contract? I like the idea of playing the young guys as it really doesn't matter what the short term veterans do on a team that isn't going to contend. Is there any chance in h$!! that the team we saw last night could get some traction and start playing like that regularly? No.😊 |
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 14, 2021 11:32:37 GMT -5
Yea looking back to last year, it may be difficult to impossible to get a first round pick; if you don’t then you don’t deal him. Maybe the Nets would get desperate if Kyrie isn’t coming back. Anyways, carry on. And if the C's could get a 1st it would probably be late 1st and anything outside of the lottery is just a serious lottery pick anyway. I remember on here all the back and forth on how good or bad Danny did with all the picks the C's had a few yrs back. Sure they hit on some but they didn't hit on enough considering they had a 100. Given the age of most 1st rd picks nowadays is about 19 their are a lot of misses. Like umass said maybe the thing to do is package DS up with another vet and go after a young player who isn't fitting somewhere. There are guys who are late bloomers that were high picks at one point. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 14, 2021 11:34:53 GMT -5
Plater A is Draymond Green Player B is Grant Williams. Player C Awesome, that's right! Player C is P.J. Tucker Love to see Grant coming into his own as a versatile glue guy and knockdown shooter; exactly what we needed. I have mostly been bullish on Grant considering what he accomplished in college so yeah I am glad to see him develop. Losing some wt has helped as he was never really going to be very valuable trying to play as a big. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 14, 2021 12:37:24 GMT -5
Awesome, that's right! Player C is P.J. Tucker Love to see Grant coming into his own as a versatile glue guy and knockdown shooter; exactly what we needed. I have mostly been bullish on Grant considering what he accomplished in college so yeah I am glad to see him develop. Losing some wt has helped as he was never really going to be very valuable trying to play as a big. The most amazing thing to me is how much he improved his 3 point shooting. No way he could legit play center but he has seemingly played good D otherwise especially with weight loss and some lift. I thought that he would be a bust, but now he has made himself serviceable. |
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 14, 2021 15:05:44 GMT -5
I like seeing 31 assists. I like the idea of getting 1st rd picks but does DS really get you that for a partial season under contract? I like the idea of playing the young guys as it really doesn't matter what the short term veterans do on a team that isn't going to contend. Is there any chance in h$!! that the team we saw last night could get some traction and start playing like that regularly? If they could stay healthy... Obviously, they shouldn't be breaking up the Jays when they usually go into such bad funks when one of them isn't playing. They need to complement them better, not break them up. I love seeing Grant Williams on fire from deep like that. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 14, 2021 21:43:56 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 14, 2021 23:25:14 GMT -5
That's his nickname right now Rigid. Come the playoffs you can play a certain way, yet during a long NBA season you need flexibility. He either changes or the GM has to make moves to force him.
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Post by ianrs on Dec 15, 2021 12:18:45 GMT -5
I don't think Ime is immune to criticism but I think he's been doing a fine job overall. He needs to figure out some rotations and things on the fly but I think he will given time.
I can't take that article seriously. The reason BJ Boston went off against us was because he was playing with freedom? Give me a break. These are the same guys that will criticize Tatum for taking the offense into his own hands.
Ime is establishing his system, and a good system executed repeatedly is exactly the type of consistency we need to succeed offensively during a long season.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 15, 2021 13:37:54 GMT -5
A highly rigid system goes against my philosophy of being able to play multiple ways. Play big, play small, play for offense, play for D, play fast, play slow, so you can match up to any team anytime. Why? Just go look at the Knicks last years #1 defensive team in the playoffs. That's what you get with such a rigid system that can't adjust and play different ways. That's the perfect team to look at, because that coach is exactly who Ime is trying to be.
Go look at Boston Jr. Game log and you'll understand those comments. Last 11 games 15.7 minutes, played in eight games in a row, over 20 minutes 4 times and almost 20 minutes in another game, two more games over ten minutes. The coach made him part of the rotation and gave him regular minutes without the fear if you do bad you don't play. Nesmith and Pritchard haven't been giving runs like that. I'd say a big part of Grant Williams is having a bigger known role. Young players need consistent minutes to feel comfortable and get in a Grove. Guy like Parker are good bench pieces because he's already established, he's fine not getting regular minutes. No point in having a bunch of good young players if you won't develop them. How are they going to learn a new system without playing?
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 16, 2021 11:23:28 GMT -5
A highly rigid system goes against my philosophy of being able to play multiple ways. Play big, play small, play for offense, play for D, play fast, play slow, so you can match up to any team anytime. Why? Just go look at the Knicks last years #1 defensive team in the playoffs. That's what you get with such a rigid system that can't adjust and play different ways. That's the perfect team to look at, because that coach is exactly who Ime is trying to be. Go look at Boston Jr. Game log and you'll understand those comments. Last 11 games 15.7 minutes, played in eight games in a row, over 20 minutes 4 times and almost 20 minutes in another game, two more games over ten minutes. The coach made him part of the rotation and gave him regular minutes without the fear if you do bad you don't play. Nesmith and Pritchard haven't been giving runs like that. I'd say a big part of Grant Williams is having a bigger known role. Young players need consistent minutes to feel comfortable and get in a Grove. Guy like Parker are good bench pieces because he's already established, he's fine not getting regular minutes. No point in having a bunch of good young players if you won't develop them. How are they going to learn a new system without playing? It's hard to disagree with you. From memory it has always seemed the Celtic way in not playing young guys for several years. In many of those years the C's were a highly competitive team chasing every win. Maybe that made sense then. With this year's team still trying to find out what it is, deference to the Schroeder and Richardson acquisitions, and allowing a new coach to cut his teeth, there are perhaps different reasons currently to not 'play the young guys'. Another month and with the deadline approaching, there should be clarity on direction. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 16, 2021 11:29:39 GMT -5
I'm doing a quick check on my top three players for pick 14 when we took Nesmith and OMG are Anthony, Maxey and Bane balling right now.
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Post by mobaz on Dec 16, 2021 15:05:52 GMT -5
I'm doing a quick check on my top three players for pick 14 when we took Nesmith and OMG are Anthony, Maxey and Bane balling right now. Yeah, that draft is looking really bad for Danny. I was a vocal "move up for Haliburton" proponent, but any of those three would look great now and help if we needed to pay up for an established player. |
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