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What 2021-22 Free Agents Do You Want
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 25, 2021 12:32:52 GMT -5
I would rate the Red Sox as Correa's most likely destination, but the field is still the heavy favorite.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 25, 2021 12:36:24 GMT -5
If Chris Sale is only a 2 or 3 going forward that would be a giant bummer. Personally he seemed like he was starting to regain his stuff late in the year. Command wasn't sharp as it could be but I think that'll come with a full offseason. I would not at all be surprised if Sale is back in the conversation of best starter in baseball by end of next year. The fact is he's coming off TJ and is going to be 33 - if you're expecting him to be an ace you're going to be disappointed. I wouldn't classify him as coming off TJ anymore. Maybe that's just semantics but he got through the end of this year healthy as far as we know. His SO % is in line with his career numbers. His BB % rose so hopefully that goes back to the 5% range. We'll see on sale but I'm not putting it past him to come back strong as ever.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 25, 2021 12:43:30 GMT -5
I can't think of anything worse than doing that. Neither is a proven starter that can likely give you a set amount of innings. Set up the rotation and have those guys as insurance. You can never have enough starting pitching. Nothing wrong with inning eating veterans. You need about seven starters and depth. Look at 2020 when you lose Sale and ERod. Look at this year Houck and Seabold dealt with injuries and Mata and Ward both had TJ surgery. Resign EROD and sign a guy like Jon Gray and now you have some good depth. They'll add starters like I said - having those two just gives you more options. Id personally let E-Rod walk and look for short term deals like Gray, Syndergaard, Verlander, Scherzer, etc... I'm confused because if you're adding two guys like those, then you aren't putting Houck and Whitlock in the rotation. I think locking up ERod long-term is a must unless he's gets some crazy contract.
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Post by manfred on Oct 25, 2021 12:58:02 GMT -5
I would rate the Red Sox as Correa's most likely destination, but the field is still the heavy favorite. I really struggle to see this. So you trade Mookie to free up money. Then you, what, let X walk to sign Correa to the megacontract you didn’t want to give either of those guys? So you have a small improvement at a position you are fine at by getting a guy your fanbase doesn’t like? I would just hate this move. Heat of a 1,000 suns.
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Post by dirtdog on Oct 25, 2021 12:58:41 GMT -5
Rumor has it the Angels are ready to literally throw money at Scherzer. If he leaves CA I will be very surprised.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 25, 2021 12:59:56 GMT -5
Given reports that Correa won't be returning to the Astros, I think the Red Sox are a likely destination because: - They have the money and will like his youth for likely an ~8-year contract (he just turned 27) - They can play him at 2B for 2022 - They will gain leverage to extend Bogaerts/Devers and let Bogaerts walk in FA or trade Devers for whomever doesn't get an extension - Correa could play SS or 3B 2023 and onward, at a high level - Correa is connected to Cora via his days on the Astros - Correa is Puerto Rican, and Cora is good at recruiting other Puerto Ricans I don't see this at all. I mean, Dombrowski could throw $350 million at Correa if he were Sox GM. They wouldn't need to hire Bloom to do this. They have Bogaerts and Devers on the left side of the infield. Bogaerts could move to 3b just as easily as Correa eventually could and most likely for less dollars. Signing Correa makes it certain that both X and Devers won't be extended and more likely that they won't extend either assuming X opts out. I mean Correa is going to command 10 years $350 million or somewhere in that vicinity. They didn't want to extend that far for Mookie but they're willing to do so for Correa? I guess I just don't see this at all. I really doubt the Sox make a huge splash this offseason.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Oct 25, 2021 13:25:34 GMT -5
Bogaerts could move to 3b just as easily as Correa eventually could and most likely for less dollars. As many have noted - the Red Sox have tried moving Bogaerts to 3rd before but with disastrous consequences. If Bogaerts picks it up this time, great, but the assumption should be that he can't. Signing Correa makes it certain that both X and Devers won't be extended and more likely that they won't extend either assuming X opts out. It does not. It makes it highly unlikely that both are resigned. If the Red Sox can resign both the offseason, great, no need to sign Correa - but I find that unlikely as they were unable to sign Bogaerts to a long-term contract last time and they haven't extended Devers yet. I mean Correa is going to command 10 years $350 million or somewhere in that vicinity. They didn't want to extend that far for Mookie but they're willing to do so for Correa? This would give Correa, who has had some inconsistencies and injuries over the past few years, the 3rd highest contract in baseball history. I doubt he gets close to this both for the previously mentioned reasons and because there are more great infielders on the FA market than we have seen in many years and team spending may still be down due to the CBA and COVID. Correa turned down 6/120 and 5/125 from the Astros, so clearly he's getting more than that. I've seen 10/260 floated. Lindor got 10/341 which seemed crazy at the time, but Lindor was better, slightly younger and had fewer red flags - so I'd be surprised if he comes close to Lindor money. I really doubt the Sox make a huge splash this offseason. I would rather they go over the tax (or whatever it becomes) with the excess funds they have. Hopefully it's smarter spending than Hanley/Pablo - I would say Correa and Schwarber would be much better investments for the long-term. As mentioned, if the Red Sox can extend Bogaerts and Devers to long term contract, that would be great, but I don't anticipate that happening. As Bogaerts is a free agent after next season, they need to look at other options.
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Post by scottysmalls on Oct 25, 2021 13:35:18 GMT -5
OAA is the best one, and my guess is you're getting a worse signal if you add in any consideration to the others. OAA isn't conveniently located on baseball reference or Fangraphs though.
That's the whole point, those two basically give you the eye test versus batted ball data. Yet they've been refining them for years and years. You can try to make a better stat, doesn't mean that you actually do. I don't like Bogaerts D, yet saying he's one of the worst defenders in all of Baseball seems laughable. I don't think there should be much doubt that OAA is superior to UZR and DRS for measuring infield defense, it can actually handle shifts/positioning well and the other two pretty much don't handle them at all. EDIT: Not to say I'd completely ignore those, I think they do have some factors they consider not covered by OAA which are non-negligible (e.g double play runs).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 25, 2021 13:38:16 GMT -5
Bogaerts could move to 3b just as easily as Correa eventually could and most likely for less dollars. As many have noted - the Red Sox have tried moving Bogaerts to 3rd before but with disastrous consequences. If Bogaerts picks it up this time, great, but the assumption should be that he can't. Signing Correa makes it certain that both X and Devers won't be extended and more likely that they won't extend either assuming X opts out. It does not. It makes it highly unlikely that both are resigned. If the Red Sox can resign both the offseason, great, no need to sign Correa - but I find that unlikely as they were unable to sign Bogaerts to a long-term contract last time and they haven't extended Devers yet. I mean Correa is going to command 10 years $350 million or somewhere in that vicinity. They didn't want to extend that far for Mookie but they're willing to do so for Correa? This would give Correa, who has had some inconsistencies and injuries over the past few years, the 3rd highest contract in baseball history. I doubt he gets close to this both for the previously mentioned reasons and because there are more great infielders on the FA market than we have seen in many years and team spending may still be down due to the CBA and COVID. Correa turned down 6/120 and 5/125 from the Astros, so clearly he's getting more than that. I've seen 10/260 floated. Lindor got 10/341 which seemed crazy at the time, but Lindor was better, slightly younger and had fewer red flags - so I'd be surprised if he comes close to Lindor money. I really doubt the Sox make a huge splash this offseason. I would rather they go over the tax (or whatever it becomes) with the excess funds they have. Hopefully it's smarter spending than Hanley/Pablo - I would say Correa and Schwarber would be much better investments for the long-term. As mentioned, if the Red Sox can extend Bogaerts and Devers to long term contract, that would be great, but I don't anticipate that happening. As Bogaerts is a free agent after next season, they need to look at other options. I think you're underestimating what Correa gets in free agency. There's no way he gets less than 300 million and I'd suspect he gets more. He's a former #1 draft pick whose only red flag has been injuries and he's been healthy the past couple of seasons. His offensive resume is a bit better than Lindor and Lindor got $340 million there's no way 10 years $260 million cuts it for Correa. If you're saying he'd be a great pickup and that's who you hope they sign, I'd say I totally get it, but it seems to me that you think the Sox are the favorites to land him and I think it's highly unlikely they take on a 300 million plus contract. You mentioned that Bogaerts was a flop at 3b in 2014. I remember his offense being a flop in 2014. Whether he took that to the field or not I don't know but I have trouble believing he wouldn't be a viable option at 3b if need be in the future. I think we can all agree that once Mayer forces his way up X's days at SS are over, if not sooner. I also think the preference if all things are equal would be for the Sox to extend Devers which will cost them over $300 million in my opinion. Correa and Devers would be two players commanding that much of a commitment. I really don't think the Sox make that large a commitment until they have more of the farm system graduating toward the majors and the payroll is real low otherwise. I just don't think they're there yet. They're using "bridge" type players to get to that point, inexpensive astute pickups such as Hernandez and Renfroe and Arroyo.
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Oct 25, 2021 13:39:26 GMT -5
They'll add starters like I said - having those two just gives you more options. Id personally let E-Rod walk and look for short term deals like Gray, Syndergaard, Verlander, Scherzer, etc... I'm confused because if you're adding two guys like those, then you aren't putting Houck and Whitlock in the rotation. I think locking up ERod long-term is a must unless he's gets some crazy contract. Personally, I would be okay with a six man rotation given Sale always seems to break down and a lot of guys threw a ton of innings off a Covid year. Sale, Eovaldi, Free Agent, Pivetta, Houck, Whitlock to at least start the year. Someone mentioned Rich Hill who I think could be another good depth piece that you can put in the rotation for a few starts and be a swingman at the end of the year. Depth, Depth, Depth....
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 25, 2021 13:42:00 GMT -5
Of interest to me: Cora deflected when asked to commit to Devers/Bogaerts staying at 3B/SS next year. Talking like Houck and Whitlock are starters Chaim is asked to call Arroyo an every day player. He obliges and then goes on a long rant about needing to add more talent. Non-answer on Vazquez's option sure sounded like they're picking it up Chaim called Duran a "premium defender" with a straight face
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Post by Guidas on Oct 25, 2021 13:53:33 GMT -5
I would rate the Red Sox as Correa's most likely destination, but the field is still the heavy favorite. I love the bravado of this, but other that that, why is it more likely than, say, LAD, NYY or Hou?
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Post by wcsoxfan on Oct 25, 2021 13:57:53 GMT -5
I think you're underestimating what Correa gets in free agency. There's no way he gets less than 300 million and I'd suspect he gets more. He's a former #1 draft pick whose only red flag has been injuries and he's been healthy the past couple of seasons. His offensive resume is a bit better than Lindor and Lindor got $340 million there's no way 10 years $260 million cuts it for Correa. If you're saying he'd be a great pickup and that's who you hope they sign, I'd say I totally get it, but it seems to me that you think the Sox are the favorites to land him and I think it's highly unlikely they take on a 300 million plus contract. You mentioned that Bogaerts was a flop at 3b in 2014. I remember his offense being a flop in 2014. Whether he took that to the field or not I don't know but I have trouble believing he wouldn't be a viable option at 3b if need be in the future. I think we can all agree that once Mayer forces his way up X's days at SS are over, if not sooner. I also think the preference if all things are equal would be for the Sox to extend Devers which will cost them over $300 million in my opinion. Correa and Devers would be two players commanding that much of a commitment. I really don't think the Sox make that large a commitment until they have more of the farm system graduating toward the majors and the payroll is real low otherwise. I just don't think they're there yet. They're using "bridge" type players to get to that point, inexpensive astute pickups such as Hernandez and Renfroe and Arroyo. Correa may get more than $300mil, but when predicting a player's contract we shouldn't expect him to set a new market unless they're one of the top few players in baseball (like Trout and Mookie). I've given the reasons which will suppress his market a bit (he will still get paid very well of course). Correa hasn't been both good and healthy in consecutive years (closest being 2016 and 2017) - this will certainly bring doubt for potential destinations. I have not said that Correa is who I hope the Red Sox will sign, only that I see the Red Sox as the frontrunners to sign him. It depends on what he costs and what Xander/Devers want - but an upgrade in defense on the left side would be a great help for the pitching. Seager would be another good option for similar reasons to Correa, but I see him as being less likely to want to sign with Boston - it's REALLY important for free agents to want to be a Red Sox in order to sign them. Bogaerts has been -22.6 DRS per 200 plays and -32 UZR/150 at 3B (2013 and 2014). We're dealing with small sample sizes, but the numbers are that of one of the worst defenders in MLB history. It's likely they regress, but he has been very bad at 3B. Mayer is a great prospect who is very far off - nobody at the MLB level should be making plans for him yet. Once he is ready, they can figure it out. If Devers costs over 300mil to extend, then I would prefer Correa at a similar price as he is a much better defender.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 25, 2021 14:11:06 GMT -5
Why are people big on Iglesias? He is not a great hitter and has declined defensively. I loved what he did in his brief stay, but I am not sure he needs to be reupped. He'll be cheap, he's a good fit in the clubhouse, he taught Arroyo how to bunt... Another one of these?? I mean honestly, does the hitting coach do anything around there?
Anyway, IF his defense is back to what it was then I like him as a backup infielder. But that's also the role I like Arroyo in so the two seem kind of redundant.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 25, 2021 14:36:06 GMT -5
I think you're underestimating what Correa gets in free agency. There's no way he gets less than 300 million and I'd suspect he gets more. He's a former #1 draft pick whose only red flag has been injuries and he's been healthy the past couple of seasons. His offensive resume is a bit better than Lindor and Lindor got $340 million there's no way 10 years $260 million cuts it for Correa. If you're saying he'd be a great pickup and that's who you hope they sign, I'd say I totally get it, but it seems to me that you think the Sox are the favorites to land him and I think it's highly unlikely they take on a 300 million plus contract. You mentioned that Bogaerts was a flop at 3b in 2014. I remember his offense being a flop in 2014. Whether he took that to the field or not I don't know but I have trouble believing he wouldn't be a viable option at 3b if need be in the future. I think we can all agree that once Mayer forces his way up X's days at SS are over, if not sooner. I also think the preference if all things are equal would be for the Sox to extend Devers which will cost them over $300 million in my opinion. Correa and Devers would be two players commanding that much of a commitment. I really don't think the Sox make that large a commitment until they have more of the farm system graduating toward the majors and the payroll is real low otherwise. I just don't think they're there yet. They're using "bridge" type players to get to that point, inexpensive astute pickups such as Hernandez and Renfroe and Arroyo. Correa may get more than $300mil, but when predicting a player's contract we shouldn't expect him to set a new market unless they're one of the top few players in baseball (like Trout and Mookie). I've given the reasons which will suppress his market a bit (he will still get paid very well of course). Correa hasn't been both good and healthy in consecutive years (closest being 2016 and 2017) - this will certainly bring doubt for potential destinations. I have not said that Correa is who I hope the Red Sox will sign, only that I see the Red Sox as the frontrunners to sign him. It depends on what he costs and what Xander/Devers want - but an upgrade in defense on the left side would be a great help for the pitching. Seager would be another good option for similar reasons to Correa, but I see him as being less likely to want to sign with Boston - it's REALLY important for free agents to want to be a Red Sox in order to sign them. Bogaerts has been -22.6 DRS per 200 plays and -32 UZR/150 at 3B (2013 and 2014). We're dealing with small sample sizes, but the numbers are that of one of the worst defenders in MLB history. It's likely they regress, but he has been very bad at 3B. Mayer is a great prospect who is very far off - nobody at the MLB level should be making plans for him yet. Once he is ready, they can figure it out. If Devers costs over 300mil to extend, then I would prefer Correa at a similar price as he is a much better defender. What about Seagar, who may be a few million less a year, is a tick less than Correa offensively and defensively, but has a better durability record? Or wait til 2022 when you know for sure Bogaerts is opting out or not, knowing that Swanson and Turner will be FAs, too. It's interesting all around.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 25, 2021 14:53:56 GMT -5
That's the whole point, those two basically give you the eye test versus batted ball data. Yet they've been refining them for years and years. You can try to make a better stat, doesn't mean that you actually do. I don't like Bogaerts D, yet saying he's one of the worst defenders in all of Baseball seems laughable. I don't think there should be much doubt that OAA is superior to UZR and DRS for measuring infield defense, it can actually handle shifts/positioning well and the other two pretty much don't handle them at all. EDIT: Not to say I'd completely ignore those, I think they do have some factors they consider not covered by OAA which are non-negligible (e.g double play runs). I think Baseball Refrence and Fangraphs do a rather good job. I'd point out how they agree most of the time. Take Devers they both agree with his best and worst seasons. I don't know how anyone can think just batted ball data can be great, nevermind one that overlooks so many things. A SS being good or bad at double plays is a rather big part of his D. There's so many things that can effect batted ball data, like night and days games, the games where the sun sets, wind, humidity levels, rain, is it crazy hot or cold, etc. Heck even park effects, how does batted ball data ranks OFs playing the green monster? Staying back to get the bounce the correct way takes doubles and turns them into crazy long singles. OF with no experience with the Green monster, make matters much worse and can turn that into a triple. People point out the weak spots DRS and UZR, which they both clearly have some. Yet we know that because of the amount data and studies on them over the years. At the same time they have been adjusting and adapting them for years. So to say a two year old advanced stat is clearly better kinda blows my mind. If anything you can say it's better or maybe the best at one thing right? It's not looking at everything, so there's no way it clearly is the best. How does batted ball data for infield defense measure ground balls in different parks that have grass versus turf? Those late bounces. It could just show it as an average play, yet that crazy bounce meant it was a great play. Defense isn't just where you are, where the ball is and how fast it is with angle. It could be useful data for sure, yet it looks more like a piece of the puzzle.
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Post by scottysmalls on Oct 25, 2021 14:54:46 GMT -5
I would rate the Red Sox as Correa's most likely destination, but the field is still the heavy favorite. I really struggle to see this. So you trade Mookie to free up money. Then you, what, let X walk to sign Correa to the megacontract you didn’t want to give either of those guys? So you have a small improvement at a position you are fine at by getting a guy your fanbase doesn’t like? I would just hate this move. Heat of a 1,000 suns. I think I agree with you on this, in that I like Xander and want him to stay and my preference would probably be to keep things as is. Having said that, purely from a team maximization POV, there is a good argument for going after Correa. He's a similar, maybe better, player, definitely better on defense where they already have a week left side of the infield with Devers and Correa is especially strong going towards 3B. He's younger and probably costs a similar amount from an AAV perspective. If they sign him they could trade Xander with a year left before his opt-out and get some extra value. So rather than just resigning Xander and keeping him, they make a lateral (probably upwards) move at the position, lose little in terms of long term salary flexibility, and get to trade a really good player which adds talent elsewhere. Again, I think I'd also prefer to keep the guy I know/love, and figure out how to make it work, and I definitely don't get the notion that the Red Sox are the most likely destination (is that just because of the Cora connection?), but there is a pretty good argument I think for trying to make this move if you just want to build the best team possible.
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Post by scottysmalls on Oct 25, 2021 15:02:49 GMT -5
I don't think there should be much doubt that OAA is superior to UZR and DRS for measuring infield defense, it can actually handle shifts/positioning well and the other two pretty much don't handle them at all. EDIT: Not to say I'd completely ignore those, I think they do have some factors they consider not covered by OAA which are non-negligible (e.g double play runs). I think Baseball Refrence and Fangraphs do a rather good job. I'd point out how they agree most of the time. Take Devers they both agree with his best and worst seasons. I don't know how anyone can think just batted ball data can be great, nevermind one that overlooks so many things. A SS being good or bad at double plays is a rather big part of his D. There's so many things that can effect batted ball data, like night and days games, the games where the sun sets, wind, humidity levels, rain, is it crazy hot or cold, etc. Heck even park effects, how does batted ball data ranks OFs playing the green monster? Staying back to get the bounce the correct way takes doubles and turns them into crazy long singles. OF with no experience with the Green monster, make matters much worse and can turn that into a triple. People point out the weak spots DRS and UZR, which they both clearly have some. Yet we know that because of the amount data and studies on them over the years. At the same time they have been adjusting and adapting them for years. So to say a two year old advanced stat is clearly better kinda blows my mind. If anything you can say it's better or maybe the best at one thing right? It's not looking at everything, so there's no way it clearly is the best. How does batted ball data for infield defense measure ground balls in different parks that have grass versus turf? Those late bounces. It could just show it as an average play, yet that crazy bounce meant it was a great play. Defense isn't just where you are, where the ball is and how fast it is with angle. It could be useful data for sure, yet it looks more like a piece of the puzzle. You just named a bunch of factors that UZR and DRS don't account for either, for the most part. I shouldn't have been so definitive in my original statement, but I don't exactly get your point here, it sounds like more of an argument for using the eye test, by which I don't think Xander does particularly well either, he just doesn't get to balls other shortstops do. It really is wild to me how Jeter-like he is, in all regards (on field performance wise).
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Post by wcsoxfan on Oct 25, 2021 15:12:47 GMT -5
Correa may get more than $300mil, but when predicting a player's contract we shouldn't expect him to set a new market unless they're one of the top few players in baseball (like Trout and Mookie). I've given the reasons which will suppress his market a bit (he will still get paid very well of course). Correa hasn't been both good and healthy in consecutive years (closest being 2016 and 2017) - this will certainly bring doubt for potential destinations. I have not said that Correa is who I hope the Red Sox will sign, only that I see the Red Sox as the frontrunners to sign him. It depends on what he costs and what Xander/Devers want - but an upgrade in defense on the left side would be a great help for the pitching. Seager would be another good option for similar reasons to Correa, but I see him as being less likely to want to sign with Boston - it's REALLY important for free agents to want to be a Red Sox in order to sign them. Bogaerts has been -22.6 DRS per 200 plays and -32 UZR/150 at 3B (2013 and 2014). We're dealing with small sample sizes, but the numbers are that of one of the worst defenders in MLB history. It's likely they regress, but he has been very bad at 3B. Mayer is a great prospect who is very far off - nobody at the MLB level should be making plans for him yet. Once he is ready, they can figure it out. If Devers costs over 300mil to extend, then I would prefer Correa at a similar price as he is a much better defender. What about Seagar, who may be a few million less a year, is a tick less than Correa offensively and defensively, but has a better durability record? Or wait til 2022 when you know for sure Bogaerts is opting out or not, knowing that Swanson and Turner will be FAs, too. It's interesting all around. See in BoldLike Seager, there's no reason to think Turner wants to go to Boston. Also, he will be 2 years and 2 months older than Corea is now, when he becomes a free agent. The Dodgers traded for him and should be seen as a frontrunner to resign him. Swanson is not in the same category as they the others (career 88 wRC).
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Post by beasleyrockah on Oct 25, 2021 15:45:48 GMT -5
I expect Correa will command significantly more total money this offseason than Xander will command after he opts out next year. If that's not the case and they'll receive similar years/money I could see making the switch.
Correa has been clear he wants to maximize his next contract, while Xander has already taken one team friendly extension and by all accounts still wants to be here. Xander has a better track record of durability, but Correa is younger and has a clear defensive advantage over Xander. Also, Correa will be hitting FA first on the heels of a new CBA, while Xander will hit the year after multiple big market teams have already filled their shortstop position the prior offseason. Xander will always have a market, but it should be a bit softer after teams shell out big bucks this winter on shortstops.
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Post by bosox904 on Oct 25, 2021 15:56:34 GMT -5
OAA is the best one, and my guess is you're getting a worse signal if you add in any consideration to the others. OAA isn't conveniently located on baseball reference or Fangraphs though.
That's the whole point, those two basically give you the eye test versus batted ball data. Yet they've been refining them for years and years. You can try to make a better stat, doesn't mean that you actually do. I don't like Bogaerts D, yet saying he's one of the worst defenders in all of Baseball seems laughable. DRS, from baseball reference, says Xander is one of the worst defenders in all of baseball. 2018-2021 he is tied for the 3rd worse cumulative DRS in baseball with Charlie Blackmon at -26. The only two players worse are Devers at -33 and Castellanos at -39. UZR/150 does like him better, but he's still essentially average over that time.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 25, 2021 16:06:53 GMT -5
Lots to catch up on in this thread but two things were stated as facts that I would like verified by others.
Did Scherzer actually ok a trade to Boston at the deadline?
Also it was stated that the Sox have attempted to move X to 3rd but it was a failure.
Can anybody actually confirm that these statements have any truth to them? Or are they just opinions stated as facts and nobody has questioned them.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 25, 2021 16:15:17 GMT -5
Given reports that Correa won't be returning to the Astros, I think the Red Sox are a likely destination because: - They have the money and will like his youth for likely an ~8-year contract (he just turned 27) - They can play him at 2B for 2022 - They will gain leverage to extend Bogaerts/Devers and let Bogaerts walk in FA or trade Devers for whomever doesn't get an extension - Correa could play SS or 3B 2023 and onward, at a high level - Correa is connected to Cora via his days on the Astros - Correa is Puerto Rican, and Cora is good at recruiting other Puerto Ricans I don't see this at all. I mean, Dombrowski could throw $350 million at Correa if he were Sox GM. They wouldn't need to hire Bloom to do this. They have Bogaerts and Devers on the left side of the infield. Bogaerts could move to 3b just as easily as Correa eventually could and most likely for less dollars. Signing Correa makes it certain that both X and Devers won't be extended and more likely that they won't extend either assuming X opts out. I mean Correa is going to command 10 years $350 million or somewhere in that vicinity. They didn't want to extend that far for Mookie but they're willing to do so for Correa? I guess I just don't see this at all. I really doubt the Sox make a huge splash this offseason. I can't see it either and I think a lot of the reasons listed as to why it could happen are irrelevant. Correa's landing spot will have nothing to do with whether he has a prior relationship with the manager, whether the manager is PR or whether the manager is good at recruiting other PR players (and I don't even know whether Cora is good at that). It'll come down to what it always comes down to: money and years. Players always talk a good game about wanting to go somewhere where they're respected, a good place to raise a family, etc. But it's funny how in almost every instance they end up with the team that offered the most money. So, the question becomes, "Will the RS offer mega-years and dollars for Correa?" CB was brought here to win without handing out that cripple the payroll for years at a time. He's trying to keep the team competitive while working his past the big contracts he inherited. He's not going to hand out more at this stage of his restructuring of the payroll and roster.
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Post by jimoh on Oct 25, 2021 16:18:34 GMT -5
Put on the trade block; Nathan Eovaldi - Sell high before free agency Christian Arroyo - If Jeter Downs is ready Xander Bogaerts - Sell high before opting out Bobby Dalbec - To add in any trade for better prospects Enrique Hernandez - Extend or trade, sell high before free agency Hunter Renfroe - Sell high J.D. Martinez - If he doesn't optout Extend; Devers I like this idea, because it means I am the starting CF and probably batting leadoff.
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Post by jimoh on Oct 25, 2021 16:22:31 GMT -5
Of interest to me: Cora deflected when asked to commit to Devers/Bogaerts staying at 3B/SS next year. Talking like Houck and Whitlock are starters Chaim is asked to call Arroyo an every day player. He obliges and then goes on a long rant about needing to add more talent. Non-answer on Vazquez's option sure sounded like they're picking it up Chaim called Duran a "premium defender" with a straight face I saw much more equivocation. Houck and Whitlock have tremendous potential to be high quality starting pitchers. No commitment to when. Duran needs to become a premium defender, which he, Chaim said, certainly has the physical tools for. OTOH I heard nothing that made me think Devers/Bogaerts are not staying at 3B/SS next year.
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