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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 15, 2022 11:35:28 GMT -5
Again, who is playing 3B for the Red Sox after the 2023 season? Betting on the 20 year old Nick Yorke who the team is trying to make stick at 2B? Can he even play 3B? Betting on the 19 year old Blaze Jordan? Hope the then 31/32 year old Manny Machado opts out of his contract, of which he's currently owed 32 million per? Get Josh Donaldson when he's 38? Or perhaps a 35 year old Mike Moustakas? The only guy that really makes sense to me for the Red Sox is a 33/34 year old Matt Chapman. Cue the duck boats. And let's say they let one of baseball's most elite bats go and sign Matt Chapman. Where does the rest of the money go? The currently 29 year old Cody Bellinger? Let's stop talking about, "is he worth the money" and let's talk about the reality on the field. The Red Sox have no options. The only alternative to me, ironically, is Xander Bogaerts and I'm not in love with that idea either as I prefer Devers to Xander. Bobby Barrels Dalbec, who was rated an ave 3rd baseman defensively and still has a cannon arm. I guess that's an option, but not a great one. I still question his ability to hit enough to belong in this league. Enormous power with a terrible OBP and a not so great average. He's already 27. It still doesn't answer the question as to what you do with the freed money. I'm happy to continue being wrong on Dalbec. I know last year in the 2nd half he got white-hot. He still spent the first four months of the regular season ranking as one of the worst offensive players in the big leagues. I think last year (final stat line) will probably be the best we see of Dalbec. OPS per month - April .619 May .672 June .780 (pretty solid) July .541 August 1.205 September .922 Take out the two outlier months July and August and you're looking at about a .748 OPS. Let's say for the sake of argument .750 OPS is his expected OPS, with his defense, would that be worth the cost savings of moving on from Devers (meaning, as an example, I like Verdugo and his contract/performance than Mookie at the moment. In a pure vacuum Mookie is the better player). |
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Post by incandenza on Apr 15, 2022 11:46:35 GMT -5
Bobby Barrels Dalbec, who was rated an ave 3rd baseman defensively and still has a cannon arm. I guess that's an option, but not a great one. I still question his ability to hit enough to belong in this league. Enormous power with a terrible OBP and a not so great average. He's already 27. It still doesn't answer the question as to what you do with the freed money. I'm happy to continue being wrong on Dalbec. I know last year in the 2nd half he got white-hot. He still spent the first four months of the regular season ranking as one of the worst offensive players in the big leagues. I think last year (final stat line) will probably be the best we see of Dalbec. OPS per month - April .619 May .672 June .780 (pretty solid) July .541 August 1.205 September .922 Take out the two outlier months July and August and you're looking at about a .748 OPS. Let's say for the sake of argument .750 OPS is his expected OPS, with his defense, would that be worth the cost savings of moving on from Devers (meaning, as an example, I like Verdugo and his contract/performance than Mookie at the moment. In a pure vacuum Mookie is the better player). Well, why don't we say for the sake of argument that .817 is his expected OPS? Which happens to be his career number through his first 567 PAs in the major leagues. Or .903, which is his OPS in his last 300 PAs? Is there a reason we should expect him to become significantly worse than he's been? |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 15, 2022 11:55:20 GMT -5
I guess that's an option, but not a great one. I still question his ability to hit enough to belong in this league. Enormous power with a terrible OBP and a not so great average. He's already 27. It still doesn't answer the question as to what you do with the freed money. I'm happy to continue being wrong on Dalbec. I know last year in the 2nd half he got white-hot. He still spent the first four months of the regular season ranking as one of the worst offensive players in the big leagues. I think last year (final stat line) will probably be the best we see of Dalbec. OPS per month - April .619 May .672 June .780 (pretty solid) July .541 August 1.205 September .922 Take out the two outlier months July and August and you're looking at about a .748 OPS. Let's say for the sake of argument .750 OPS is his expected OPS, with his defense, would that be worth the cost savings of moving on from Devers (meaning, as an example, I like Verdugo and his contract/performance than Mookie at the moment. In a pure vacuum Mookie is the better player). Well, why don't we say for the sake of argument that .817 is his expected OPS? Which happens to be his career number through his first 567 PAs in the major leagues. Or .903, which is his OPS in his last 300 PAs? Is there a reason we should expect him to become significantly worse than he's been? I mean, it's fair to ask if the .816 should be the better barometer. If he had a .600 OPS in 2020 or a 1.300 I would typically ignore those numbers due to small sampling. My thought process is to take away his best and worst months to aggregate expectations and to be fair about it (like if I removed just one or the other it would give me numbers I was looking for). There's no question he was dominate the last two months of the year. He was also dominate for 80 at bats (23 games) in 2020. I think he might have some JBJ in him where he can scorch the ball for stretches of time. This year will provide enough data assuming health, I think. 2020 was encouraging and I admit to having been fully on-board the Bobby Dalbec hype train. Would an .816 OPS Dalbec be worth the money saved on Devers? What would Bobby Dalbec need to realistically hit for him to be a higher value? |
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Post by jmei on Apr 15, 2022 12:28:24 GMT -5
You can start a Bogaerts extension thread if you’d like. |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 15, 2022 13:32:13 GMT -5
You can start a Bogaerts extension thread if you’d like. Do we need a 3rd thread to discuss both at the same time? |
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Post by jmei on Apr 15, 2022 14:26:02 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 16, 2022 4:53:14 GMT -5
For those who keep asking where will the Sox spend the money if they don't sign Raffy or X. As I have pointed out before, pitching. The Sox are currently spending about 50m on Sale and Nate and most would say they need more high end pitching. They have some arms with potential in the system but nobody that projects as a top 1 or 2. So they will need to pay for it unless they make some trades to try and get someone.
From where I am looking the Sox will always need to be spending big money for arms.
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 16, 2022 5:44:53 GMT -5
For those who keep asking where will the Sox spend the money if they don't sign Raffy or X. As I have pointed out before, pitching. The Sox are currently spending about 50m on Sale and Nate and most would say they need more high end pitching. They have some arms with potential in the system but nobody that projects as a top 1 or 2. So they will need to pay for it unless they make some trades to try and get someone. From where I am looking the Sox will always need to be spending big money for arms. Okay, so take the money from JD leaving, price contract being up, pedroia contract being up and X and Devers being gone. That's a large chunk of change, take a look at the free agent starters list next year. Who are you giving money to on there? Maybe Aaron Nola? I'm not disputing they'll need pitching, teams always do. However the list of guys to throw money at is extremely suspect and also overall doesn't seem like something Bloom is going to do with the volatility of pitchers health. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 16, 2022 7:14:50 GMT -5
For those who keep asking where will the Sox spend the money if they don't sign Raffy or X. As I have pointed out before, pitching. The Sox are currently spending about 50m on Sale and Nate and most would say they need more high end pitching. They have some arms with potential in the system but nobody that projects as a top 1 or 2. So they will need to pay for it unless they make some trades to try and get someone. From where I am looking the Sox will always need to be spending big money for arms. Okay, so take the money from JD leaving, price contract being up, pedroia contract being up and X and Devers being gone. That's a large chunk of change, take a look at the free agent starters list next year. Who are you giving money to on there? Maybe Aaron Nola? I'm not disputing they'll need pitching, teams always do. However the list of guys to throw money at is extremely suspect and also overall doesn't seem like something Bloom is going to do with the volatility of pitchers health. Best free agent pitcher next year: Trevor Bauer. No way I go anywhere near that situation. DeGrom has an opt out next year and will be 34/35. I like Nola, but he's 31.4 years old now. A lot can happen in 2 years, especially as they enter their 30s and even then, are we giving him a 5 or 6 year deal for the twilight years? Stroman can opt out when he's 32/33. I don't think he's very good. In 2025 Cole can opt out, when he's 34/35. Sale will also be up by then so that will be money off the books once again. The money used on SP will have to come from trades, unless they get Nola, but that doesn't seem like a Bloom kind of move. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 16, 2022 7:27:52 GMT -5
Okay, so take the money from JD leaving, price contract being up, pedroia contract being up and X and Devers being gone. That's a large chunk of change, take a look at the free agent starters list next year. Who are you giving money to on there? Maybe Aaron Nola? I'm not disputing they'll need pitching, teams always do. However the list of guys to throw money at is extremely suspect and also overall doesn't seem like something Bloom is going to do with the volatility of pitchers health. Best free agent pitcher next year: Trevor Bauer. No way I go anywhere near that situation. DeGrom has an opt out next year and will be 34/35. I like Nola, but he's 31.4 years old now. A lot can happen in 2 years, especially as they enter their 30s and even then, are we giving him a 5 or 6 year deal for the twilight years? Stroman can opt out when he's 32/33. I don't think he's very good. In 2025 Cole can opt out, when he's 34/35. Sale will also be up by then so that will be money off the books once again. The money used on SP will have to come from trades, unless they get Nola, but that doesn't seem like a Bloom kind of move. Nola is currently 28 will be 29 in June. I like Nola but someone's gonna give him 110-120+ mil I would guess. Don't like him for what he's going to get. I wouldn't touch de grom he's hurt again back to back years. It's a pretty ugly list of free agent pitchers so my main thought is if they let Devers and X go as well as JD it frees up money but I don't see them throwing the money at any starters available this coming offseason. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 16, 2022 7:33:01 GMT -5
Best free agent pitcher next year: Trevor Bauer. No way I go anywhere near that situation. DeGrom has an opt out next year and will be 34/35. I like Nola, but he's 31.4 years old now. A lot can happen in 2 years, especially as they enter their 30s and even then, are we giving him a 5 or 6 year deal for the twilight years? Stroman can opt out when he's 32/33. I don't think he's very good. In 2025 Cole can opt out, when he's 34/35. Sale will also be up by then so that will be money off the books once again. The money used on SP will have to come from trades, unless they get Nola, but that doesn't seem like a Bloom kind of move. Nola is currently 28 will be 29 in June. I like Nola but someone's gonna give him 110-120+ mil I would guess. Don't like him for what he's going to get. I wouldn't touch de grom he's hurt again back to back years. It's a pretty ugly list of free agent pitchers so my main thought is if they let Devers and X go as well as JD it frees up money but I don't see them throwing the money at any starters available this coming offseason. I thought I cross referenced to make sure I wasn't being an idiot. Guess I'm an idiot. The ages I'm looking at are when they will be free agents, so you can minus the years then on all those players. Still doesn't feel like a Bloom move, but much more palatable. Either way, the market outside of Nola is incredibly thin and that's assuming Nola doesn't get an extension. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 16, 2022 7:34:24 GMT -5
Guys I am all for signing X and Raffy but at the same time I don't want to see the Sox saddled with deals that are going to be a ball and chain a few years down the road. And if they both want top of the market AAV then I am getting used to the idea they might not be here.
In regards to pitching there are always risks involved on whomever they sign, that same risk goes for all players. My point is regardless of who it is or when it is they will need to be spending upwards of 75 million without any high end home grown talent to balance things out. They can't just score enough runs to contend they will need top pitchers if they want to win a WS. There aren't many surefire aces out there that you know what you're going to get and they are all 30+m. Maybe they continue to build up the middle of the road starter type and ask 8 different guys to pitch 3 innings at a time but that has its risks also.
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 16, 2022 7:53:13 GMT -5
Nola is currently 28 will be 29 in June. I like Nola but someone's gonna give him 110-120+ mil I would guess. Don't like him for what he's going to get. I wouldn't touch de grom he's hurt again back to back years. It's a pretty ugly list of free agent pitchers so my main thought is if they let Devers and X go as well as JD it frees up money but I don't see them throwing the money at any starters available this coming offseason. I thought I cross referenced to make sure I wasn't being an idiot. Guess I'm an idiot. The ages I'm looking at are when they will be free agents, so you can minus the years then on all those players. Still doesn't feel like a Bloom move, but much more palatable. Either way, the market outside of Nola is incredibly thin and that's assuming Nola doesn't get an extension. We're 100 percent on the same page on this, Nola doesn't seem a type of move Bloom would make. I'd say he's going to get something similar to what Ray and Gausman got this offseason, perhaps more. Which brings me back to if they won't spend the money on X and or Devers. Where are they spending it? The free agent class as a whole is pretty ugly. I like Hernandez and how his contract turned out but id be pretty pissed if the thought is to let the superstars in X and Devers leave and replace them with 4-5 guys making Hernandez type money/contract. Which would be about the only way to approach their current payroll #s if they refuse to spend the type of money on superstars. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 16, 2022 10:20:43 GMT -5
I thought I cross referenced to make sure I wasn't being an idiot. Guess I'm an idiot. The ages I'm looking at are when they will be free agents, so you can minus the years then on all those players. Still doesn't feel like a Bloom move, but much more palatable. Either way, the market outside of Nola is incredibly thin and that's assuming Nola doesn't get an extension. We're 100 percent on the same page on this, Nola doesn't seem a type of move Bloom would make. I'd say he's going to get something similar to what Ray and Gausman got this offseason, perhaps more. Which brings me back to if they won't spend the money on X and or Devers. Where are they spending it? The free agent class as a whole is pretty ugly. I like Hernandez and how his contract turned out but id be pretty pissed if the thought is to let the superstars in X and Devers leave and replace them with 4-5 guys making Hernandez type money/contract. Which would be about the only way to approach their current payroll #s if they refuse to spend the type of money on superstars. I mean, Story didn't seem like a Bloom move, but the price difference between the two vs the actual cost is a little ingenious if you did go that route. But it's crazy that Xander is already accounting for $20 million of the payroll, so by next year when JD Martinez is gone a new contract would make their payroll 4-5 million less than what it currently is. Letting go of Paxton and JBJ and replacing with Duran and Seabold with the money left over from JD will basically make up the cost for Devers. Paxton - 13 million JBJ - 12 million Hill - 5 million Wacha - 7 million JD Martinez- 19 million So literally, their payroll does not move. Actually, I'm also ignoring the 11 million Devers is also making this year that's already accounted for. They have Casas coming up. Put Bobby Dalbec at DH. Call up Seabold and Duran. I understand they'll still need to sign some guys, but they're also 6th in MLB spending. There's no reason why they should be behind the Padres and Phillies. They're behind the Dodgers by like 60 million (not that I expect them to go there). They shouldn't have a problem signing these two and still getting Nola if they wanted. If they can figure it out for 1 year, Sale's Salary will go down by 7.5 million the year after and then off the books the year after that. The only way they're getting starters is if they trade for it and will Bloom be a guy to gut the farm to acquire a guy? Eovaldi and his 17 million is a curveball (no pun intended). They need pitching badly, but the Red Sox have experience a miracle with his contract not exploding in their faces, like Sale. He's making 17 million, but likely due for more over short years. Edit: the buyout option on JBJ is 8 million The buyout option on Paxton is 4 million It might not be worth it to just cut JBJ unless he's truly horrendous. Still, they could likely trade for a bag of baseballs if need be. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 16, 2022 11:01:14 GMT -5
We're 100 percent on the same page on this, Nola doesn't seem a type of move Bloom would make. I'd say he's going to get something similar to what Ray and Gausman got this offseason, perhaps more. Which brings me back to if they won't spend the money on X and or Devers. Where are they spending it? The free agent class as a whole is pretty ugly. I like Hernandez and how his contract turned out but id be pretty pissed if the thought is to let the superstars in X and Devers leave and replace them with 4-5 guys making Hernandez type money/contract. Which would be about the only way to approach their current payroll #s if they refuse to spend the type of money on superstars. I mean, Story didn't seem like a Bloom move, but the price difference between the two vs the actual cost is a little ingenious if you did go that route. But it's crazy that Xander is already accounting for $20 million of the payroll, so by next year when JD Martinez is gone a new contract would make their payroll 4-5 million less than what it currently is. Letting go of Paxton and JBJ and replacing with Duran and Seabold with the money left over from JD will basically make up the cost for Devers. Paxton - 13 million JBJ - 12 million Hill - 5 million Wacha - 7 million JD Martinez- 19 million So literally, their payroll does not move. Actually, I'm also ignoring the 11 million Devers is also making this year that's already accounted for. They have Casas coming up. Put Bobby Dalbec at DH. Call up Seabold and Duran. I understand they'll still need to sign some guys, but they're also 6th in MLB spending. There's no reason why they should be behind the Padres and Phillies. They're behind the Dodgers by like 60 million (not that I expect them to go there). They shouldn't have a problem signing these two and still getting Nola if they wanted. If they can figure it out for 1 year, Sale's Salary will go down by 7.5 million the year after and then off the books the year after that. The only way they're getting starters is if they trade for it and will Bloom be a guy to gut the farm to acquire a guy? Eovaldi and his 17 million is a curveball (no pun intended). They need pitching badly, but the Red Sox have experience a miracle with his contract not exploding in their faces, like Sale. He's making 17 million, but likely due for more over short years. Edit: the buyout option on JBJ is 8 million The buyout option on Paxton is 4 million It might not be worth it to just cut JBJ unless he's truly horrendous. Still, they could likely trade for a bag of baseballs if need be. Don't forget that price and I believe pedroias money comes off as well so there's another 30 million or something too. They most certainly have enough flexibility to pay market on at least one of rafi and X and have money for other moves too. The farm is getting stronger with quite a few guys working their way in double A as well as the looming promotion of Casas. Those cheap rookie deals help even more with the flexibility. |
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Post by awalkinthepark on Apr 16, 2022 11:38:46 GMT -5
Another thing about spending on pitching is, aside from me not seeing any pitchers worth breaking the bank for over the next few years, that would also be very out of character for the Red Sox under Henry imo. The formula that they have typically used has been elite offense and good but not great pitching. Just looking at some of their best years:
2018: 2nd in hitting fWAR, 2nd in wRC+, 6th in pitching fWAR, 6th in FIP
2013: 1st in hitting fWAR, 1st in wRC+. 14th in pitching fWAR, 16th in FIP
2007: 4th in hitter fWAR, 2nd in wRC+, 6th in pitching fWAR, 5th in FIP
2004: 9th in hitter fWAR, 1st in wRC+, 4th in pitching fWAR, 3rd in FIP
These are just the years they've won the World Series obviously but even if you look at the entire 20 year period Henry has owned the team, they are 6th in pitching fWAR/7th in FIP, and #1 in hitter fWAR/2nd in wRC+.
Now that could change, but I would need to see it to believe it. I just can't believe that they will spend big on pitching and then run out an offense of Casas, Verdugo, Dalbec, Story and scrubs in 2024.
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Post by nuttyredsox on Apr 17, 2022 2:45:11 GMT -5
I can see them given extended deals to the best prospects as the come out, trade for good players and extend them.
I'm not worry with the petty contracts that they are giving to all the spagetti pitchers.
We have seen more aamd more younger players estabelishing themselves in the early 20's and those are the one we need to target to trade and than extend'
Of course the same apply to our best prospects, I can see lots of deal similar to Whitlock going forward.
Regarding Raffy, I would love to see him in here but not for that money, I believe that he comes down in price or otherwise he will be traded next off seasen or even at the trade deadline for a massive haul (sell high).
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 17, 2022 12:13:43 GMT -5
I mean, Story didn't seem like a Bloom move, but the price difference between the two vs the actual cost is a little ingenious if you did go that route. But it's crazy that Xander is already accounting for $20 million of the payroll, so by next year when JD Martinez is gone a new contract would make their payroll 4-5 million less than what it currently is. Letting go of Paxton and JBJ and replacing with Duran and Seabold with the money left over from JD will basically make up the cost for Devers. Paxton - 13 million JBJ - 12 million Hill - 5 million Wacha - 7 million JD Martinez- 19 million So literally, their payroll does not move. Actually, I'm also ignoring the 11 million Devers is also making this year that's already accounted for. They have Casas coming up. Put Bobby Dalbec at DH. Call up Seabold and Duran. I understand they'll still need to sign some guys, but they're also 6th in MLB spending. There's no reason why they should be behind the Padres and Phillies. They're behind the Dodgers by like 60 million (not that I expect them to go there). They shouldn't have a problem signing these two and still getting Nola if they wanted. If they can figure it out for 1 year, Sale's Salary will go down by 7.5 million the year after and then off the books the year after that. The only way they're getting starters is if they trade for it and will Bloom be a guy to gut the farm to acquire a guy? Eovaldi and his 17 million is a curveball (no pun intended). They need pitching badly, but the Red Sox have experience a miracle with his contract not exploding in their faces, like Sale. He's making 17 million, but likely due for more over short years. Edit: the buyout option on JBJ is 8 million The buyout option on Paxton is 4 million It might not be worth it to just cut JBJ unless he's truly horrendous. Still, they could likely trade for a bag of baseballs if need be. Don't forget that price and I believe pedroias money comes off as well so there's another 30 million or something too. They most certainly have enough flexibility to pay market on at least one of rafi and X and have money for other moves too. The farm is getting stronger with quite a few guys working their way in double A as well as the looming promotion of Casas. Those cheap rookie deals help even more with the flexibility. Pedroia's money is off the books actually, but you're right that the $16 million from Price will be gone after this season. |
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Post by patford on Apr 17, 2022 15:40:47 GMT -5
Fun fact. Devers has not yet made an error this year.
It's going to be expensive but I believe the Sox will lock him up. He's young.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 17, 2022 15:43:35 GMT -5
Fun fact. Devers has not yet made an error this year. It's going to be expensive but I believe the Sox will lock him up. He's young. 1 out above average so far. That catch he made in CF today was very impressive. |
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Post by Guidas on Apr 17, 2022 16:03:36 GMT -5
Okay, so take the money from JD leaving, price contract being up, pedroia contract being up and X and Devers being gone. That's a large chunk of change, take a look at the free agent starters list next year. Who are you giving money to on there? Maybe Aaron Nola? I'm not disputing they'll need pitching, teams always do. However the list of guys to throw money at is extremely suspect and also overall doesn't seem like something Bloom is going to do with the volatility of pitchers health. Best free agent pitcher next year: Trevor Bauer. No way I go anywhere near that situation. DeGrom has an opt out next year and will be 34/35. I like Nola, but he's 31.4 years old now. A lot can happen in 2 years, especially as they enter their 30s and even then, are we giving him a 5 or 6 year deal for the twilight years? Stroman can opt out when he's 32/33. I don't think he's very good. In 2025 Cole can opt out, when he's 34/35. Sale will also be up by then so that will be money off the books once again. The money used on SP will have to come from trades, unless they get Nola, but that doesn't seem like a Bloom kind of move. I think Thor is a FA next year, too. I wonder if he'd take a very rich 3-year deal with an option for one more? like$32M a year X 3 plus the team option for a 4th year at the same price or a $10M buyout. It may take thinking like that, and they could always extend or re-sign Eovaldi. Or, yes, a trade for a younger #1-2 type starter and then an immediate extension. But trades for high-end guys takes high-end guys. Who would you see of Casas, Mayer and Yorke that Bloom would give up for that? Because no one is going to take guys like Downs, Jordan, Bello or Mata - who both project to be #5s - for a #1/2. |
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Apr 17, 2022 16:04:49 GMT -5
If Boston's gonna lock up one player, albeit overpaying in today's dollars, it's Devers. His production, his age, the fact he could slide to first or DH in later years... he'd look to be a foundational piece of Boston's teams over the next xxx number of years.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 17, 2022 16:05:49 GMT -5
Best free agent pitcher next year: Trevor Bauer. No way I go anywhere near that situation. DeGrom has an opt out next year and will be 34/35. I like Nola, but he's 31.4 years old now. A lot can happen in 2 years, especially as they enter their 30s and even then, are we giving him a 5 or 6 year deal for the twilight years? Stroman can opt out when he's 32/33. I don't think he's very good. In 2025 Cole can opt out, when he's 34/35. Sale will also be up by then so that will be money off the books once again. The money used on SP will have to come from trades, unless they get Nola, but that doesn't seem like a Bloom kind of move. I think Thor is a FA next year, too. I wonder if he'd take a very rich 3-year deal with an option for one more? like$32M a year X 3 plus the team option for a 4th year at the same price or a $10M buyout. It may take thinking like that, and they could always extend or re-sign Eovaldi. Or, yes, a trade for a younger #1-2 type starter and then an immediate extension. But trades for high-end guys takes high-end guys. Who would you see of Casas, Mayer and Yorke that Bloom would give up for that? Because no one is going to take guys like Downs, Jordan, Bello or Mata - who both project to be #5s - for a #1/2. I contended during the off-season that then was the year to go after pitching. Just because you have money for it next year doesn't mean it will be on the market. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 17, 2022 16:24:21 GMT -5
Best free agent pitcher next year: Trevor Bauer. No way I go anywhere near that situation. DeGrom has an opt out next year and will be 34/35. I like Nola, but he's 31.4 years old now. A lot can happen in 2 years, especially as they enter their 30s and even then, are we giving him a 5 or 6 year deal for the twilight years? Stroman can opt out when he's 32/33. I don't think he's very good. In 2025 Cole can opt out, when he's 34/35. Sale will also be up by then so that will be money off the books once again. The money used on SP will have to come from trades, unless they get Nola, but that doesn't seem like a Bloom kind of move. I think Thor is a FA next year, too. I wonder if he'd take a very rich 3-year deal with an option for one more? like$32M a year X 3 plus the team option for a 4th year at the same price or a $10M buyout. It may take thinking like that, and they could always extend or re-sign Eovaldi. Or, yes, a trade for a younger #1-2 type starter and then an immediate extension. But trades for high-end guys takes high-end guys. Who would you see of Casas, Mayer and Yorke that Bloom would give up for that? Because no one is going to take guys like Downs, Jordan, Bello or Mata - who both project to be #5s - for a #1/2. I agree on the trading cost and with that said, we end up going full circle because if the Red Sox trade away Casas, they lose the Devers power replacement. If they trade York/Mayer, they lose the potential Xander replacement (mainly York at 2B with Story at SS). Thor has 13 innings since 2019 and is currently 29. He also had a mediocre 2019. I like him as high-risk, high-reward type of guy who I get as an Eovaldi replacement. Not with the cost savings from Devers and Xander. It'll be 32-35 million per for both guys. Xander currently makes 20 million. Devers currently makes 11 million. Eovladi currently makes 17 million. Price currently gets 16 million from the Red Sox. JD makes 19, but has a luxury tax salary of 22 million. JD alone is enough to make up Devers. I like Eovaldi or Thor, but not both. David Price more than makes up Xander. Then you can cut Paxton and owe only 4 million. That's 9 more million right there. If they can trade JBJ that'll be 12 million saved. Wacha is 7 million and could be potentially looking for bigger money if he hits. Again, they're also 6th in spending now. They can afford them all if they really wanted. |
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Post by patford on Apr 17, 2022 16:32:03 GMT -5
If Boston's gonna lock up one player, albeit overpaying in today's dollars, it's Devers. His production, his age, the fact he could slide to first or DH in later years... he'd look to be a foundational piece of Boston's teams over the next xxx number of years. It's his age. Even Tampa moves to lock up young talent. I would not have even considered the Betts contract and as much as I like Bogaerts he isn't a good SS and seemingly won't move off the position. I think he's very much mistaken if he thinks he is going to get even Story money. |
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