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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 26, 2022 17:15:12 GMT -5
It’s irrelevant really. You’re not going to have 3 rookie wide receivers on the roster next year and we both know this is true. You wouldn't in my book. Metchie tore his ACL, good chance he starts on the PUP list, I forgot about that and it might make him drop. Kevin Austin Jr. Is a raw physical monster, I'd likely stash him on the IR for a year. I love him, yet he needs a year to learn our offense. Should have went back to school, yet the maybe starter is a great runner that can't throw, so he came out. I’m not disagreeing with your thought process, we just know this team isn’t going to do that. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 26, 2022 22:26:21 GMT -5
You wouldn't in my book. Metchie tore his ACL, good chance he starts on the PUP list, I forgot about that and it might make him drop. Kevin Austin Jr. Is a raw physical monster, I'd likely stash him on the IR for a year. I love him, yet he needs a year to learn our offense. Should have went back to school, yet the maybe starter is a great runner that can't throw, so he came out. I’m not disagreeing with your thought process, we just know this team isn’t going to do that. Bill evolves and does things that surprise us all the time. Yeah, you're likely right based on his history. Yet I won't stop dreaming lol. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 27, 2022 7:28:25 GMT -5
Something to keep in mind in regards to salaries and some high cap numbers attached to last offseasons FA signings is the new TV deal. Based on that deal alone the cap is expected to rise by 25 million every year for a while moving forward. So salaries everywhere will be rising and the Pats can also move some of this years cap hits off to 2023 and beyond with some restructuring and extensions.
Not that I want to sign JC for 18-20m aav but that might not be so bad a few years down the road. BBs defense is predicated on CBs that can play man and without JC they take a big hit in that area.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 27, 2022 8:54:19 GMT -5
Something to keep in mind in regards to salaries and some high cap numbers attached to last offseasons FA signings is the new TV deal. Based on that deal alone the cap is expected to rise by 25 million every year for a while moving forward. So salaries everywhere will be rising and the Pats can also move some of this years cap hits off to 2023 and beyond with some restructuring and extensions. Not that I want to sign JC for 18-20m aav but that might not be so bad a few years down the road. BBs defense is predicated on CBs that can play man and without JC they take a big hit in that area.Not a lot on the market besides JC. I hated the defenses when they didn't have a good Man coverage CB. Easy Franchise Tag decision to me, then I hope they figure out an extension that pushes the bigger cap years forward. Some good options for a #2 in FA. Mills is actually a really important piece right now as "competent in a few places and signed long-term," meaning they aren't constrained to one role in how they improve the DB. Didn't expect to like that deal as much as I now do. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 27, 2022 9:24:32 GMT -5
Something to keep in mind in regards to salaries and some high cap numbers attached to last offseasons FA signings is the new TV deal. Based on that deal alone the cap is expected to rise by 25 million every year for a while moving forward. So salaries everywhere will be rising and the Pats can also move some of this years cap hits off to 2023 and beyond with some restructuring and extensions. Not that I want to sign JC for 18-20m aav but that might not be so bad a few years down the road. BBs defense is predicated on CBs that can play man and without JC they take a big hit in that area.Not a lot on the market besides JC. I hated the defenses when they didn't have a good Man coverage CB. Easy Franchise Tag decision to me, then I hope they figure out an extension that pushes the bigger cap years forward. Some good options for a #2 in FA. Mills is actually a really important piece right now as "competent in a few places and signed long-term," meaning they aren't constrained to one role in how they improve the DB. Didn't expect to like that deal as much as I now do. I'm going to jump on your comment about the D without having a good man coverage CB thought and I am going to take it one step further. All these yrs of watching bend don't break Ds has been frustrating at times, sure it has been successful but frustrating also. The one exception to me is when they had Flores as the DC, my memory is that they were more aggressive and it paid off. Flores leaves and now we are back to bend don't break. I am sure the players they had matters but my point is they did get a lot more aggressive for a couple yrs. That is what I think the Pats need to do to combat Josh Allen in the future, I was hoping to see it in the playoff game this yr but it wasn't there. Teams learned to do that to Lamar Jackson this season and it worked so every team played him that way. I know Allen is more dangerous throwing than Jackson is but I still think that is how they need to attack Allen. Press the receivers, attack with 5 with contain in mind and force him into making a mistake a couple times a game. Obviously they need good man CBs to make this work but I think they need to go in this direction personnel wise. Heck doing what they did failed for two games in a row so why not throw the kitchen sink at him. |
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Post by mobaz on Jan 27, 2022 17:38:30 GMT -5
McDaniels and Ziegler likely both heading to the Raiders. Bill Obrien is a possibility to come back as OC. Some decent personnel guys in house (Elliot Wolf got GM interviews) but a little harsh of a brain drain that could easily derail the progress made this year.
I'd actually be glad to have O'Brien back (despite my skepticism of him as a head coach) and would certainly help with intel on the Bama WRs coming out!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 27, 2022 17:56:35 GMT -5
Funny earlier I read McDaniels to the Raiders was dead and the day before he was reaching out to assistants to build a staff. Either a lot of wrong information or the Raiders are just flip flopping on an epic level.
It's a good solid job for him though.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 28, 2022 8:10:55 GMT -5
Caught Miguel's Twitter chat (or whatever the kids call it) and he listed a number of ways to create space. Tried jotting them all down. If they're off, its probably me not catching it quick enough:
- Convert Judon to signing bonus = 6.64M in savings
- Extend Henry = 5M
- Extend Godchaux = 2.7M
- Cut/Trade Godchaux = 4.2M
- Extend Bailey = 2.4M
- Cut Harry = 400K
- Trade Harry = 1M
- Cut Anderson = 2M
- Extend Agholor = 3.9M
- Cut Agholor = 4.2M
- Trade Agholor = 9M
- Extend Wynn = 5M
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- Cut Mason = 6.3M
- Extend Mason = 3.6M
- Cut Jonathan Ones = 5M
- Cut/Trade KVN = 4.2M
Obviously not all of these will/can happen. And, tbc, these are all pre-Jun 1 moves (since the point of the exercise is to create space for Free Agency.
Oh, and we've covered DMac so no need to revisit. Some hard decisions in there but space can absolutely be made.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 28, 2022 12:59:27 GMT -5
Caught Miguel's Twitter chat (or whatever the kids call it) and he listed a number of ways to create space. Tried jotting them all down. If they're off, its probably me not catching it quick enough: - Convert Judon to signing bonus = 6.64M in savings - Extend Henry = 5M - Extend Godchaux = 2.7M - Cut/Trade Godchaux = 4.2M - Extend Bailey = 2.4M - Cut Harry = 400K - Trade Harry = 1M - Cut Anderson = 2M - Extend Agholor = 3.9M - Cut Agholor = 4.2M - Trade Agholor = 9M - Extend Wynn = 5M -
- Cut Mason = 6.3M
- Extend Mason = 3.6M
- Cut Jonathan Ones = 5M
- Cut/Trade KVN = 4.2M
Obviously not all of these will/can happen. And, tbc, these are all pre-Jun 1 moves (since the point of the exercise is to create space for Free Agency.
Oh, and we've covered DMac so no need to revisit. Some hard decisions in there but space can absolutely be made.Scratch off the cut Mason option because his contract is a bargain. |
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Post by cdj on Jan 28, 2022 13:31:58 GMT -5
Caught Miguel's Twitter chat (or whatever the kids call it) and he listed a number of ways to create space. Tried jotting them all down. If they're off, its probably me not catching it quick enough: - Convert Judon to signing bonus = 6.64M in savings - Extend Henry = 5M - Extend Godchaux = 2.7M - Cut/Trade Godchaux = 4.2M - Extend Bailey = 2.4M - Cut Harry = 400K - Trade Harry = 1M - Cut Anderson = 2M - Extend Agholor = 3.9M - Cut Agholor = 4.2M - Trade Agholor = 9M - Extend Wynn = 5M -
- Cut Mason = 6.3M
- Extend Mason = 3.6M
- Cut Jonathan Ones = 5M
- Cut/Trade KVN = 4.2M
Obviously not all of these will/can happen. And, tbc, these are all pre-Jun 1 moves (since the point of the exercise is to create space for Free Agency.
Oh, and we've covered DMac so no need to revisit. Some hard decisions in there but space can absolutely be made.Scratch off the cut Mason option because his contract is a bargain. Yeah they’d easily be able to get a high pick if for whatever reason they wanted to move on from him. I guess I could see it if they retain Karras and slide Onwenu into Shaq’s spot but they chose Mason over Thuney for a reason. I think that reason is they want him here for a long time |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 28, 2022 15:10:33 GMT -5
Yeah. Don't think he was advocating for it. He just listed all the big ones for completeness.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 28, 2022 15:12:07 GMT -5
Steeler GM Kevin Colbert stepping down. As many have suggested and IF you want a WR in the draft, hire that man in some capacity. Pretty good string of WRs he's drafted.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 29, 2022 3:34:15 GMT -5
Steeler GM Kevin Colbert stepping down. As many have suggested and IF you want a WR in the draft, hire that man in some capacity. Pretty good string of WRs he's drafted. For five straight years they've taken a WR or TE with a top 66 pick, four straight WRs, then a TE last year. Bill has taken 5 WRs in the top 66 in his whole career with the Patriots. In the last eight years we've taken one WR or TE with a top 66 pick, Harry. If you want weapons you need to spend the high picks on them. Bills biggest issue isn't some of his misses at WR, it's that he doesn't take enough of them. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 29, 2022 13:21:17 GMT -5
That 32m dead cap hit is going to sting for Tampa when Brady retires. Was a nice 2 year run down there tho, now they can go back to sucking…
That NFC south division is going to be so terrible .
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Post by foreverred9 on Jan 29, 2022 14:41:51 GMT -5
It's official:
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 29, 2022 15:59:34 GMT -5
God, I feel that one more than I thought I would. I've never been so shocked that a 44 year old retired from professional sports.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 29, 2022 19:43:15 GMT -5
Seems to be some questions about Tom and if the news guys jumped the gun.
edit. ok so it is going to happen but TB hasn't announced it nor told the Bucs.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 30, 2022 12:52:53 GMT -5
Surprisingly there doesn't seem to be any interest in Flores for a HC job, if that is the case I would love to see him back in NE.
Along with Billy O as the OC after Josh heads to Vegas.
I think some old voices that will be new could be a good thing for the Pats. And I would really like to see a more aggressive D with Flores at the helm. They have to come up with something to slow Allen down.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 30, 2022 13:43:13 GMT -5
Some looks at a receiver I'm not familiar with
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 30, 2022 13:55:34 GMT -5
My fun trade down add depth most places draft.
52. Roger McCreay CB
54. Kyren Williams RB
58. Brandon Smith LB
74. John Metchie WR
84. Matthew Butler DT
97. Yusuf Corker FS
130. Tariq Castro-Fields CB
169. Kyle Phillips slot WR
173. Justin Shaffer OG
210. Kevin Austin Jr. WR
224. Jake Camanda Punter
243. Otito Oybonnia NT
There I get my three WRs while filling holes on D and 3/4 of the draft picks likely end up on IR lol.
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Post by nuttyredsox on Jan 30, 2022 14:42:08 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 30, 2022 14:43:36 GMT -5
Some looks at a receiver I'm not familiar with That CB needs to go back and pickup his jock strap. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 30, 2022 14:59:42 GMT -5
Losing Ziegler may hurt, especially if he raids the scouts. |
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Post by cdj on Jan 30, 2022 16:31:37 GMT -5
So if we hire Flores and he becomes a HC coach again next offseason or something- do we get more picks for him?
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Post by costpet on Jan 31, 2022 10:02:24 GMT -5
When the Chiefs decided to go for a TD instead of an easy Field Goal at the end of the half, I remember thinking that BB would never do that. Take the points when you can. Turns out it cost them the game. Andy is catching hell this morning, as well as he should. That's the difference between Bill and the rest of the also-rans. Madden said the same thing. He would tell his team, on the goal line, you get 3 chances to get it in. If not, we kick a FG. Bill probably remembers him saying that, too.
To me, Andy got greedy figuring if he got the TD, that would ice the game. Oops.
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