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Patriots 2022 Offseason Thread
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 31, 2022 11:20:38 GMT -5
When the Chiefs decided to go for a TD instead of an easy Field Goal at the end of the half, I remember thinking that BB would never do that. Take the points when you can. Turns out it cost them the game. Andy is catching hell this morning, as well as he should. That's the difference between Bill and the rest of the also-rans. Madden said the same thing. He would tell his team, on the goal line, you get 3 chances to get it in. If not, we kick a FG. Bill probably remembers him saying that, too. To me, Andy got greedy figuring if he got the TD, that would ice the game. Oops. The problem was the play call and execution by Mahomes. The time was there for a quick throw INTO THE END-ZONE or a throw away. Under no circumstances do you hold the ball and not throw it into the end zone. Running a play with 5 seconds left from there was the right decision, everything else was not.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 31, 2022 13:15:03 GMT -5
Traded down from 21 to 35 and picked up 67 and 133 in the process. Was a hard trade back because Williams was still on the board.
2-35: Raimann T - Central Mich
2-53: Chenel LB - Wisconsin
3-67: Skyy Moore WR - Western Mich
3-85: Alec Pierce WR - Cincinnati
4-123: Kellen Diesch T - Arizona St
4-133: James Cook RB - Georgia
Getting pass caching weapons with speed (Moore, Pierce and Cook) plus protecting Mac is really important.
Need linebacker help as well and Chenel could be a good fit here.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 31, 2022 14:38:13 GMT -5
Likely Fears is retiring.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 31, 2022 17:53:54 GMT -5
Traded down from 21 to 35 and picked up 67 and 133 in the process. Was a hard trade back because Williams was still on the board. 2-35: Raimann T - Central Mich 2-53: Chenel LB - Wisconsin 3-67: Skyy Moore WR - Western Mich 3-85: Alec Pierce WR - Cincinnati 4-123: Kellen Diesch T - Arizona St 4-133: James Cook RB - Georgia Getting pass caching weapons with speed (Moore, Pierce and Cook) plus protecting Mac is really important. Need linebacker help as well and Chenel could be a good fit here. Trade down is my preferred strategy unless you love the guy at 21. That's realistic and darn good besides no CB help. I get the Chenel pick, he's like a Hightower. I'd prefer more of a coverage guy though. I love Skyy Moore, I'm not the biggest fan of Pierce though. I wouldn't take a raw type athlete at WR that high, yet that's just me.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 1, 2022 6:45:29 GMT -5
Traded down from 21 to 35 and picked up 67 and 133 in the process. Was a hard trade back because Williams was still on the board. 2-35: Raimann T - Central Mich 2-53: Chenel LB - Wisconsin 3-67: Skyy Moore WR - Western Mich 3-85: Alec Pierce WR - Cincinnati 4-123: Kellen Diesch T - Arizona St 4-133: James Cook RB - Georgia Getting pass caching weapons with speed (Moore, Pierce and Cook) plus protecting Mac is really important. Need linebacker help as well and Chenel could be a good fit here. Trade down is my preferred strategy unless you love the guy at 21. That's realistic and darn good besides no CB help. I get the Chenel pick, he's like a Hightower. I'd prefer more of a coverage guy though. I love Skyy Moore, I'm not the biggest fan of Pierce though. I wouldn't take a raw type athlete at WR that high, yet that's just me. Agree with pretty much all of what you said but the board kind is dictated these picks. The WRs I wanted at pick 53 were gone and of the linebackers Chenel was easily the best despite a preference of a speedier guy. Some Reports are his speed is better than expected which means he might go higher, plus i have some hope McGrone is that guy. Pierce was probably a forced pick but there was a huge drop off after him and I really want speed and love the catch radius. Corner, we have Wade coming off a red shirt year so I kind of count him in this draft and they do a really good job of finding guys late or un-drafted so I don’t need a high pick used there.
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Post by texs31 on Feb 1, 2022 10:09:59 GMT -5
Officially official. Brady announces retirement on Instagram. NO mention of ANYTHING related to his time in New England. Time will tell if that means anything.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 1, 2022 14:25:17 GMT -5
Officially official. Brady announces retirement on Instagram. NO mention of ANYTHING related to his time in New England. Time will tell if that means anything. Such a dumb story. Last time I checked, he’s both gushed about his time here and we are the ones that should thank him, not the other way around. People acting like we supported him for any other reason than for what he gave to us.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 15:22:38 GMT -5
Officially official. Brady announces retirement on Instagram. NO mention of ANYTHING related to his time in New England. Time will tell if that means anything. You booed and hissed him when he come back and now you want thanks. I was at that game and seemed like the sound was piped in, but anything BB does wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by cdj on Feb 1, 2022 15:50:11 GMT -5
Leave it to pats fans to make it about them when it comes to the greatest football player of all time retiring
I guess the 20 years of dominance wasn’t enough for some people *cough* portnoy *cough*
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Post by texs31 on Feb 1, 2022 16:44:40 GMT -5
Flores suing the NFL, Giants and Broncos over racism in the hiring process. Using texts from Bill Belichek as evidence his interview with NYG was a sham.
Also claims that Miami owner offered him money to tank.
And also claims that Dolphins tried to get him to tamper with "a prominent QB" under contract with another team. Many suspect it's Brady.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 1, 2022 20:04:55 GMT -5
Flores suing the NFL, Giants and Broncos over racism in the hiring process. Using texts from Bill Belichek as evidence his interview with NYG was a sham. Also claims that Miami owner offered him money to tank. And also claims that Dolphins tried to get him to tamper with "a prominent QB" under contract with another team. Many suspect it's Brady. So I guess he doesn’t want to work anymore
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Post by cdj on Feb 2, 2022 1:43:58 GMT -5
I respect it. Not like he doesn’t have evidence.
Shoutout Bill for getting his revenge on the giants and the league. Long time coming!
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 2, 2022 6:24:59 GMT -5
I respect it too, it’s the right thing to do
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 2, 2022 7:30:48 GMT -5
Flores suing the NFL, Giants and Broncos over racism in the hiring process. Using texts from Bill Belichek as evidence his interview with NYG was a sham. Also claims that Miami owner offered him money to tank. And also claims that Dolphins tried to get him to tamper with "a prominent QB" under contract with another team. Many suspect it's Brady. So I guess he doesn’t want to work anymore I don't think this will be the case. It might hurt him in the short run looking for another HC job right now with the controversy of the lawsuit but he will be admired even more by the players. The players have liked playing for him and respected him which has led to them buying in and giving their all. They will respect him even more now. That fact will not be lost on teams with smart ownership. He might have to take a DC job in the meantime and I would be happy to see him back in NE. Ross Might end up being forced to sell the Dolphins in my opinion and he should be. If gambling and the question of legitimate games is the biggest threat to sports then Ross offering him money to lose is about as bad as it gets and he should be kicked out of ownership. How do you think the players are going to react to their owner trying to pull this? Everyone knows that the Rooney Rule has led to many sham interviews so he is just calling that out. Not sure if there really is an answer to it as teams should be able to hire who they want and the rule is just a formality to try to make it look like teams are giving black coaches a chance. I think it does help a little when the coaches get a chance to interview and impress the GMs and owners which should lead to more chances down the road. Pretty sure I have read that about Flores as a matter of fact. It is at the least a sore spot that black players make up 70% of the league and there are so few black HCs but the answer to that problem isn't something that can be forced on owners. Sadly looking at it from above it is hard not to think of it as another sign that racism is still alive and well in the world.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 2, 2022 7:39:11 GMT -5
If the league forces Ross out and replaces him with black ownership Miami would become a juggernaut. Shaq, Lebron and MJ could form a group that would be allowed into the owners club and the players would flock to Miami beach. I bet the other owners know that and might resist but in todays environment they might not have a choice.
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Post by jmei on Feb 2, 2022 8:45:58 GMT -5
He wasn’t getting a head coaching job this offseason anyways, so not much to lose. That lawsuit will never get to trial (for a host of reasons)—suspect it gets settled by this time next year and he’s back in the coaching pool.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 2, 2022 9:13:39 GMT -5
So I guess he doesn’t want to work anymore I don't think this will be the case. It might hurt him in the short run looking for another HC job right now with the controversy of the lawsuit but he will be admired even more by the players. The players have liked playing for him and respected him which has led to them buying in and giving their all. They will respect him even more now. That fact will not be lost on teams with smart ownership. He might have to take a DC job in the meantime and I would be happy to see him back in NE. Ross Might end up being forced to sell the Dolphins in my opinion and he should be. If gambling and the question of legitimate games is the biggest threat to sports then Ross offering him money to lose is about as bad as it gets and he should be kicked out of ownership. How do you think the players are going to react to their owner trying to pull this? Everyone knows that the Rooney Rule has led to many sham interviews so he is just calling that out. Not sure if there really is an answer to it as teams should be able to hire who they want and the rule is just a formality to try to make it look like teams are giving black coaches a chance. I think it does help a little when the coaches get a chance to interview and impress the GMs and owners which should lead to more chances down the road. Pretty sure I have read that about Flores as a matter of fact. It is at the least a sore spot that black players make up 70% of the league and there are so few black HCs but the answer to that problem isn't something that can be forced on owners. Sadly looking at it from above it is hard not to think of it as another sign that racism is still alive and well in the world. Did the players like playing for him as a head coach? He had a lot of assistant coach turnover and he made a lot of curious roster moves, cutting players after a season (see KVN for example). I’ll say keeping a team engaged after a 1-7 start and almost making the playoffs does say a lot, but I’m not so sure he’s this players coach.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 2, 2022 10:00:44 GMT -5
I don't think this will be the case. It might hurt him in the short run looking for another HC job right now with the controversy of the lawsuit but he will be admired even more by the players. The players have liked playing for him and respected him which has led to them buying in and giving their all. They will respect him even more now. That fact will not be lost on teams with smart ownership. He might have to take a DC job in the meantime and I would be happy to see him back in NE. Ross Might end up being forced to sell the Dolphins in my opinion and he should be. If gambling and the question of legitimate games is the biggest threat to sports then Ross offering him money to lose is about as bad as it gets and he should be kicked out of ownership. How do you think the players are going to react to their owner trying to pull this? Everyone knows that the Rooney Rule has led to many sham interviews so he is just calling that out. Not sure if there really is an answer to it as teams should be able to hire who they want and the rule is just a formality to try to make it look like teams are giving black coaches a chance. I think it does help a little when the coaches get a chance to interview and impress the GMs and owners which should lead to more chances down the road. Pretty sure I have read that about Flores as a matter of fact. It is at the least a sore spot that black players make up 70% of the league and there are so few black HCs but the answer to that problem isn't something that can be forced on owners. Sadly looking at it from above it is hard not to think of it as another sign that racism is still alive and well in the world. Did the players like playing for him as a head coach? He had a lot of assistant coach turnover and he made a lot of curious roster moves, cutting players after a season (see KVN for example). I’ll say keeping a team engaged after a 1-7 start and almost making the playoffs does say a lot, but I’m not so sure he’s this players coach. Many have come out supporting him but yes there was some who didn't. He is a tough coach I guess and not all like that.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 2, 2022 11:57:12 GMT -5
Trade down is my preferred strategy unless you love the guy at 21. That's realistic and darn good besides no CB help. I get the Chenel pick, he's like a Hightower. I'd prefer more of a coverage guy though. I love Skyy Moore, I'm not the biggest fan of Pierce though. I wouldn't take a raw type athlete at WR that high, yet that's just me. Agree with pretty much all of what you said but the board kind is dictated these picks. The WRs I wanted at pick 53 were gone and of the linebackers Chenel was easily the best despite a preference of a speedier guy. Some Reports are his speed is better than expected which means he might go higher, plus i have some hope McGrone is that guy. Pierce was probably a forced pick but there was a huge drop off after him and I really want speed and love the catch radius. Corner, we have Wade coming off a red shirt year so I kind of count him in this draft and they do a really good job of finding guys late or un-drafted so I don’t need a high pick used there. www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Leo-Chenal-LB-WisconsinMy bigger issue is he lacks experience in coverage, he was used as a pass rusher on throwing downs. Along with he has a huge range like PFF is top 40, ESPN is top 140. That being said I won't be surprised if Bill loves him. At one point it was crazy, Butler, Jones and Jackson, yet the well has gone dry. I hope it's just a redshirt for Wade and not he's just not a high IQ player. At the same time you have McGrone, Jennings and Uche at LB, nevermind reports that Perkins has seen some time there. I'd be very disappointed if no CB or free safety.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 2, 2022 12:05:15 GMT -5
When the Chiefs decided to go for a TD instead of an easy Field Goal at the end of the half, I remember thinking that BB would never do that. Take the points when you can. Turns out it cost them the game. Andy is catching hell this morning, as well as he should. That's the difference between Bill and the rest of the also-rans. Madden said the same thing. He would tell his team, on the goal line, you get 3 chances to get it in. If not, we kick a FG. Bill probably remembers him saying that, too. To me, Andy got greedy figuring if he got the TD, that would ice the game. Oops. Not only that, but the Bengals made an adjustment that Reid didn't even have the ability to notice to overcome it. The Chiefs were taking everything underneath when they were cruising, then the Bengals adjusted by using a 3 man rush, one of the safeties in the middle of the field instead of up high and they were dropping a lineman into coverage. If Reid had a brain, he would have immediately started throwing deep to Hill, but he and Mahomes just kept doing what was working in the 1st quarter. Reid is one of the most overrated coaches of all time. Great at preparation, one of the all time worst at clock management and making adjustments. The Reid-led Chiefs have now lost 3 playoff games when they had an 18 point lead.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 2, 2022 12:17:55 GMT -5
The rooney rule doesn't have certain measures. Yeah it sucks for Flores, yet given what I've seen it's breaking the spirit of the rule, not the actual rule. It's just a stupid rule for so many reasons. He won't get anywhere with that part of his lawsuit. Now the Dolphin crap of wanting to tamper with players, being pushed to lose and what he describes as a bad workplace environment because he would break rules could be bad for the Dolphins. His firing at least makes sense now, tons of crap behind the scenes.
Yet I just don't get this. It's like he's pissed and just willing to throw away his career. This won't make it easier for him to get another job. If anything go after the Dolphins, not the Dolphins, NFL, Broncos, while dragging Bill and Brady into this. That's just burning a bunch of bridges, for a guy that likely would have got another job next year.
Notre Dame needs a new defensive coordinator lol.
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Post by foreverred9 on Feb 2, 2022 12:45:16 GMT -5
This is a huge risk he's taking and he's not stupid - he knows this will impact his ability to get a job going forward - but he believes he needs to draw attention to these issues for the broader community. Maybe he'll get others to now join his class action.
I applaud his courage in using his situation to draw attention to the broader issues - black coaches don't get a second chance as much, black coaches are given a shorter leash, they have made no progress on the number of black head coaches since the Rooney Rule came into existence, etc. It's going to be a bumpy ride for him going forward as people will now look at him through polarized lens.
He very well might lose, the class might get denied, the case might get dismissed, but maybe they'll find something in discovery that exposes the issues further. A BB text can easily be written away as BB misunderstanding what he heard, but maybe there's email communications between the Bills and the Giants discussing terms.
At a minimum he's brought further awareness to the issue. There are multiple facts in the indictment that I wasn't aware of before yesterday.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 2, 2022 13:24:43 GMT -5
Agree with pretty much all of what you said but the board kind is dictated these picks. The WRs I wanted at pick 53 were gone and of the linebackers Chenel was easily the best despite a preference of a speedier guy. Some Reports are his speed is better than expected which means he might go higher, plus i have some hope McGrone is that guy. Pierce was probably a forced pick but there was a huge drop off after him and I really want speed and love the catch radius. Corner, we have Wade coming off a red shirt year so I kind of count him in this draft and they do a really good job of finding guys late or un-drafted so I don’t need a high pick used there. www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Leo-Chenal-LB-WisconsinMy bigger issue is he lacks experience in coverage, he was used as a pass rusher on throwing downs. Along with he has a huge range like PFF is top 40, ESPN is top 140. That being said I won't be surprised if Bill loves him. At one point it was crazy, Butler, Jones and Jackson, yet the well has gone dry. I hope it's just a redshirt for Wade and not he's just not a high IQ player. At the same time you have McGrone, Jennings and Uche at LB, nevermind reports that Perkins has seen some time there. I'd be very disappointed if no CB or free safety. Don’t forget the ones he let get away like Kenny Moore.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 3, 2022 10:15:06 GMT -5
www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Leo-Chenal-LB-WisconsinMy bigger issue is he lacks experience in coverage, he was used as a pass rusher on throwing downs. Along with he has a huge range like PFF is top 40, ESPN is top 140. That being said I won't be surprised if Bill loves him. At one point it was crazy, Butler, Jones and Jackson, yet the well has gone dry. I hope it's just a redshirt for Wade and not he's just not a high IQ player. At the same time you have McGrone, Jennings and Uche at LB, nevermind reports that Perkins has seen some time there. I'd be very disappointed if no CB or free safety. Don’t forget the ones he let get away like Kenny Moore. At one point it was crazy, yet that stopped as quickly as it started. Who since Jackson four years ago? Like Myles Bryant is a nice depth piece on the practice squad, he's just slow. I'd love to believe you're right, I just can't trust it. I'm liking the CB and free safety depth in the 3-5th rounds of this draft.
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Post by texs31 on Feb 3, 2022 10:23:00 GMT -5
Heard some say that Bryant might be better as a future S ("replacement for DMac" was used with HUGE caveats about replacing a great like Devin)
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