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2022 40-Man Roster Discussion
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Post by cdj on Oct 6, 2022 15:12:22 GMT -5
Josh Taylor looked god awful in his rehab appearances, if he doesn’t show anything different than that in the meantime then no team is gonna put him on their 40 man
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 6, 2022 15:21:03 GMT -5
I think this is about the situation, listing guys who are safely on, and then marginal guys that could get a spot.
Major League Position Players (13)
C Reese McGuire C Connor Wong 1B Triston Casas 2B Trevor Story INF Christian Arroyo 3B Rafael Devers SS TBD OF Alex Verdugo OF/INF Enrique Hernandez OF Rob Refsnyder OF Jarren Duran OF TBD DH/1B Eric Hosmer
Possible adds: C Ronaldo Hernandez (out of options) INF Yu Chang (out of options)
Major League Pitchers (13)
Chris Sale Nick Pivetta Brayan Bello Garrett Whitlock Tanner Houck Kutter Crawford John Schreiber Matt Barnes Zach Kelly Josh Winckowski TBD TBD TBD
Possible adds: Josh Taylor Ryan Brasier James Paxton
Major League Position Player Depth (4)
INF Enmanuel Valdez INF Jeter Downs INF Bobby Dalbec OF Ceddanne Rafaela
Possible adds: OF Franchy Cordero OF Wilyer Abreu INF David Hamilton INF Christian Koss
Major League Pitcher Depth (6)
Chris Murphy Bryan Mata Thad Ward Brandon Walter Franklin German Connor Seabold
Possible adds: Darwinzon Hernandez Tyler Danish Kaleb Ort Eduard Bazardo AJ Politi Chase Shugart
Prospects
None
Possible adds: INF Brainer Bonaci INF Eddinson Paulino P Wikelman Gonzalez P Ryan Fernandez
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Oct 6, 2022 15:29:03 GMT -5
I think this is about the situation, listing guys who are safely on, and then marginal guys that could get a spot. Major League Position Players (13) C Reese McGuire C Connor Wong 1B Triston Casas 2B Trevor Story INF Christian Arroyo 3B Rafael Devers SS TBD OF Alex Verdugo OF/INF Enrique Hernandez OF Rob Refsnyder OF Jarren Duran OF TBD DH/1B Eric Hosmer Possible adds: C Ronaldo Hernandez (out of options) INF Yu Chang (out of options) Major League Pitchers (13) Chris Sale Nick Pivetta Brayan Bello Garrett Whitlock Tanner Houck Kutter Crawford John Schreiber Matt Barnes Zach Kelly Josh Winckowski TBD TBD TBD Possible adds: Josh Taylor Ryan Brasier James Paxton Major League Position Player Depth (4) INF Enmanuel Valdez INF Jeter Downs INF Bobby Dalbec OF Ceddanne Rafaela Possible adds: OF Franchy Cordero OF Wilyer Abreu INF David Hamilton INF Christian Koss Major League Pitcher Depth (6) Chris Murphy Bryan Mata Thad Ward Brandon Walter Franklin German Connor Seabold Possible adds: Darwinzon Hernandez Tyler Danish Kaleb Ort Eduard Bazardo AJ Politi Chase Shugart Prospects None Possible adds: INF Brainer Bonaci INF Eddinson Paulino P Wikelman Gonzalez P Ryan Fernandez My list was slightly different, but the point remains the same. You have 36 spots taken, and you have listed 19 possible players (tbd - I am assuming from outside the Sox organization) for the other 4 spots.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 6, 2022 17:29:54 GMT -5
Reminder that it was reported the other day(/realized) that Ronaldo Hernández is going to qualify for a fourth option.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 6, 2022 17:33:22 GMT -5
Also, I agree that the Red Sox could use a late inning lefty. I'm not sure what that has to do with Josh Taylor though. Hard time seeing him on the 40-man next spring.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Oct 10, 2022 13:06:28 GMT -5
Here is the arbitration list with projected salary from MLBTRADERUMORS:
Red Sox (11)
Ryan Brasier (5.109): $2.3MM Rafael Devers (5.070): $16.9MM Abraham Almonte (5.012): $900K Nick Pivetta (4.166): $5.9MM Franchy Cordero (4.092): $1.5MM Alex Verdugo (4.078): $6.9MM Rob Refsnyder (4.048): $1.6MM Christian Arroyo (4.036): $2.2MM Josh Taylor (3.121): $1.1MM Reese McGuire (3.027): $1.3MM Yu Chang (3.007): $900K
My guess for non-tenders (as in opening 40-man space)…
Brasier, Almonte, Cordero, Taylor, Chang
That said, IMO, Chang, Taylor, and Cordero could receive some kind of split contract like Munoz and Cordero received last year (and remain off the 40-man roster), again I am purely speculating.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Oct 10, 2022 13:44:35 GMT -5
Here is the arbitration list with projected salary from MLBTRADERUMORS: Red Sox (11) Ryan Brasier (5.109): $2.3MM Rafael Devers (5.070): $16.9MM Abraham Almonte (5.012): $900K Nick Pivetta (4.166): $5.9MM Franchy Cordero (4.092): $1.5MM Alex Verdugo (4.078): $6.9MM Rob Refsnyder (4.048): $1.6MM Christian Arroyo (4.036): $2.2MM Josh Taylor (3.121): $1.1MM Reese McGuire (3.027): $1.3MM Yu Chang (3.007): $900K My guess for non-tenders (as in opening 40-man space)… Brasier, Almonte, Cordero, Taylor, Chang That said, IMO, Chang, Taylor, and Cordero could receive some kind of split contract like Munoz and Cordero received last year (and remain off the 40-man roster), again I am purely speculating. I think Taylor gets tendered or they sign him to a 2 year deal at less money than anticipated. At the end of the day lefties have value and he has proven himself at this level that he can be semi productive. I can see Refsnyder as trade bait but he should be tendered for sure.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 10, 2022 16:45:31 GMT -5
There's no reason to sign Taylor to a two-year deal. He's arb-eligible for two more seasons and it's not like there's a big discount you'll get for doing so.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Oct 11, 2022 18:29:48 GMT -5
Almonte DFA'ed and Caleb Hamilton claimed from the Twins.
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 11, 2022 18:39:50 GMT -5
Is he a MLFA if outrighted?
Can't imagine he sticks on the 40 all offseason
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 11, 2022 19:11:40 GMT -5
Yeah. 2016 college draftee. Same as Kyle Hart, for example.
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Post by larrycook on Oct 11, 2022 19:25:39 GMT -5
Almonte DFA'ed and Caleb Hamilton claimed from the Twins. Four catchers on the 40 now!
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Oct 11, 2022 20:22:52 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the allure is with Hamilton. He's already 27. Catchers do take a little longer to develop but I can't see why he's anything other than organizational filler off the 40 man roster. I'm pretty sure he's getting DFAed soon and maybe clears waivers.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 11, 2022 22:51:10 GMT -5
Almonte DFA'ed and Caleb Hamilton claimed from the Twins. Four catchers on the 40 now! Like there were all season until they released Plawecki.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 11, 2022 23:29:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the allure is with Hamilton. He's already 27. Catchers do take a little longer to develop but I can't see why he's anything other than organizational filler off the 40 man roster. I'm pretty sure he's getting DFAed soon and maybe clears waivers. It would give them two Hamiltons that can't hit?
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Oct 12, 2022 1:01:02 GMT -5
Do we know what date the 5 players on the 60-day IL are added back to the 40-man. I assume it coincides with the free agents leaving the 40-man?
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Post by wcsoxfan on Oct 12, 2022 2:47:40 GMT -5
Most of your list is solid, but one of the Red Sox biggest needs is a lefty setup man. No way Taylor gets cut unless his arm/back is finished. To your previous comment: Taylor last pitched in the 2021 ALCS - it hasn't even been a year. Pitchers missing 1+ years is normal. If he's cut, and his medicals are OK, 29 teams submit a claim. Who are you willing to waiver, DFA, non-tender, or trade to keep him on the 40-man. Please let us know after you make your list of who stays. I already posted the list of who I would DFA, and you responded to it, that's what started this conversation.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Oct 12, 2022 3:04:08 GMT -5
Also, I agree that the Red Sox could use a late inning lefty. I'm not sure what that has to do with Josh Taylor though. Hard time seeing him on the 40-man next spring. Last time he pitched, Taylor was the Red Sox top lefty reliever. He made 6 appearances between the ALDS and ALCS in 2021 allowing 4 baserunners over 4 innings. He's more of a lefty-only guy, but he's very good against lefties and is still the Red Sox best lefty reliever. (career 3.28 FIP and 3.70 xFIP) The Red Sox need 1-2 more lefty relievers in addition to Taylor, who is only 29 and still pretty cheap (~1.1mil arb estimate). The health is a big question mark as the lower back injury has been an on-running problem for a year now. It would be tough for the Red Sox to find two lefties as good as a healthy Taylor. Let's hope he's healthy.
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Post by cdj on Oct 12, 2022 7:31:04 GMT -5
Also, I agree that the Red Sox could use a late inning lefty. I'm not sure what that has to do with Josh Taylor though. Hard time seeing him on the 40-man next spring. Last time he pitched, Taylor was the Red Sox top lefty reliever. He made 6 appearances between the ALDS and ALCS in 2021 allowing 4 baserunners over 4 innings. He's more of a lefty-only guy, but he's very good against lefties and is still the Red Sox best lefty reliever. (career 3.28 FIP and 3.70 xFIP) The Red Sox need 1-2 more lefty relievers in addition to Taylor, who is only 29 and still pretty cheap (~1.1mil arb estimate). The health is a big question mark as the lower back injury has been an on-running problem for a year now. It would be tough for the Red Sox to find two lefties as good as a healthy Taylor. Let's hope he's healthy. In reality the last time he pitched he was throwing 90 mph and getting lit up like a jackolantern by minor league bats
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Oct 12, 2022 11:30:59 GMT -5
Last time he pitched, Taylor was the Red Sox top lefty reliever. He made 6 appearances between the ALDS and ALCS in 2021 allowing 4 baserunners over 4 innings. He's more of a lefty-only guy, but he's very good against lefties and is still the Red Sox best lefty reliever. (career 3.28 FIP and 3.70 xFIP) The Red Sox need 1-2 more lefty relievers in addition to Taylor, who is only 29 and still pretty cheap (~1.1mil arb estimate). The health is a big question mark as the lower back injury has been an on-running problem for a year now. It would be tough for the Red Sox to find two lefties as good as a healthy Taylor. Let's hope he's healthy. In reality the last time he pitched he was throwing 90 mph and getting lit up like a jackolantern by minor league bats cdj you are 100% correct. When Taylor’s rehab expired, the Red Sox put him back on the IL (shut him down for another week, so they could start the rehab over) rather than activate him.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Oct 12, 2022 17:01:10 GMT -5
Last time he pitched, Taylor was the Red Sox top lefty reliever. He made 6 appearances between the ALDS and ALCS in 2021 allowing 4 baserunners over 4 innings. He's more of a lefty-only guy, but he's very good against lefties and is still the Red Sox best lefty reliever. (career 3.28 FIP and 3.70 xFIP) The Red Sox need 1-2 more lefty relievers in addition to Taylor, who is only 29 and still pretty cheap (~1.1mil arb estimate). The health is a big question mark as the lower back injury has been an on-running problem for a year now. It would be tough for the Red Sox to find two lefties as good as a healthy Taylor. Let's hope he's healthy. In reality the last time he pitched he was throwing 90 mph and getting lit up like a jackolantern by minor league bats 'When healthy'. Clearly he hadn't recovered from the back injury fully. Perhaps we can take this as a sign that it's long-term and he will never return to form, but it's not uncommon for pitchers to lose velocity after an injury and regain that velocity over time. If he's shot, he gets released. If he's not shot, they would be crazy to release him.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 12, 2022 17:04:40 GMT -5
Here's the thing - are you comfortable committing to Taylor as your primary LHRP entering next year?
If not, then you need to strongly consider non-tendering him.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 12, 2022 17:11:28 GMT -5
One way of looking at it, before accounting for any trades.
Under contract (6): Garrett Whitlock, Trevor Story, Chris Sale, Matt Barnes, Eric Hosmer, Kiké Hernandez
Arb Eligible Returning (6): Rafael Devers, Alex Verdugo, Nick Pivetta, Christian Arroyo, Reese McGuire, Rob Refsnyder
Minimum Deals Returning (15): Tanner Houck, Brayan Bello, Bryan Mata, Connor Seabold, Josh Winckowski, Bobby Dalbec, Jarren Duran, Kutter Crawford, Jeter Downs, Connor Wong, John Schreiber, Triston Casas, Zack Kelly, Franklin German, Ronaldo Hernandez
40-man Adds (6): Ceddanne Rafaela, Brandon Walter, Chris Murphy, Thad Ward, Wilyer Abreu, Enmanuel Valdez
Roster/Acquisition Placeholders (5): 3 Pitchers (Michael Wacha, James Paxton, Nate Eovaldi, and/or Acquisition(s)), Shortstop (Xander Bogaerts or Acquisition), Right Field Acquisition.
Pick 2 From Below Currently on 40-Man, Minimum: Darwinzon Hernandez, Eduard Bazardo, Jaylen Davis, Kaleb Ort, Tyler Danish, Caleb Ferguson Currently on 40-Man, Arb Eligible: Franchy Cordero, Josh Taylor, Ryan Brasier, Yu Chang Currently on 40-Man, Free Agent: Tommy Pham, Matt Strahm, JD Martinez, Rich Hill Rule 5 Eligible: Ryan Fernandez, Eddinson Paulino, Wikelman Gonzalez, AJ Politi, Chase Shugart, Brainer Bonaci, Victor Santos, Ryan Fitzgerald, Gilberto Jimenez Other Acquisitions: 4th Pitcher Acquisition
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Post by Jason on Oct 12, 2022 19:18:21 GMT -5
When we will know if Hernandez has a 4th opiton?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Oct 13, 2022 17:09:37 GMT -5
Bazardo DFA'ed and Jake Reed claimed from the Orioles.
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