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5/6-5/8 Red Sox vs. White Sox Series Thread
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Post by semperfisox on May 8, 2022 14:05:18 GMT -5
Offense is an embarrassment
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Post by kjkramer on May 8, 2022 14:05:38 GMT -5
The Red Sox are averaging 2.65 runs per game in their last 20 games (5 W, 15 L).
2 runs or fewer in 12 of those games.
Plus 3 and 4 runs twice, and 5 runs three times.
Sad
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Post by manfred on May 8, 2022 14:10:20 GMT -5
126-125 in the Bloom era. Better win the next game.
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Post by incandenza on May 8, 2022 14:19:41 GMT -5
126-125 in the Bloom era. Better win the next game. I could do without this being a running thing. There are about a million caveats that need to be attached to this measurement for it to fairly reflect the job he's done. Which is to say, it's not a good measurement.
Having said that, if you are brought on as GM specifically to avoid the boom-bust cycle that has bedeviled the franchise for the past decade, it does seem fair to expect you to avoid massive busts.
But having said that, we're still less than a fifth of the way through this season. Still too early to start writing the death certificate.
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Post by julyanmorley on May 8, 2022 14:24:56 GMT -5
126-125 in the Bloom era. Better win the next game. 2020 was a fake season, you cant count those games.
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Post by briam on May 8, 2022 14:26:49 GMT -5
126-125 in the Bloom era. Better win the next game. I could do without this being a running thing. There are about a million caveats that need to be attached to this measurement for it to fairly reflect the job he's done. Which is to say, it's not a good measurement.
Having said that, if you are brought on as GM specifically to avoid the boom-bust cycle that has bedeviled the franchise for the past decade, it does seem fair to expect you to avoid massive busts.
But having said that, we're still less than a fifth of the way through this season. Still too early to start writing the death certificate.
I just want them to be respectable year in and out. I’m not expecting a WS or even a deep playoff run every year, I just want them to be playing meaningful baseball into September. I think it’s a little overstated how much of a mess he actually inherited, they should never be as bad as they were in ‘20 and so far in ‘22. Like you said, lot of baseball left still though.
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Post by marrcus on May 8, 2022 14:28:04 GMT -5
Well start off with the condition that your bottom third was set to start off anemic at best. That meant that if the heart of the order wasn't hitting in April into May the run production would be inadequate. It's no surprise. This club needed individuals to carry the offense because they weren't going to get anything from the usual suspects. We understood this.
If continue waiting this out the losses will just pile up.
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Post by TearsIn04 on May 8, 2022 14:32:04 GMT -5
126-125 in the Bloom era. Better win the next game. 2020 was a fake season, you cant count those games. No, it's the 2021 PS run that doesn't count. They finished second in the division. If 2020 had gone the other way, you can bet he'd be saying that that season doesn't count.
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Post by redsox43 on May 8, 2022 14:33:45 GMT -5
Another 3 K day for Story. Fun. 93 ABs, 35 Ks. There is a mildly concerning trajectory to his career. xwOBA by year:
2018 - .354 2019 - .338 2020 - .333 2021 - .333 2022 - .298
Plus there is the career home/road wRC+ split of 122/98. Too much gets made of the "thin air of Denver" narrative, but I don't think we ever really know how a guy will adjust to very different conditions when they go elsewhere.
I'd still bet on him being worth his fairly affordable contract, but there's definitely some downside risk here.
Feel bad for Story. Had like one week of spring training due to him not signing and then the birth of his child. First two months getting ripped apart because of the contract. He's playing in a new league where he has to make adjustments. I think he'll come around, but he may have a down year overall due to his poor start.
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Post by greenmonster on May 8, 2022 14:34:40 GMT -5
What is Pete fatse's job here anyway? Does he do anything? If I were him I think I would be cleaning up my resume
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Post by greenmonster on May 8, 2022 14:36:09 GMT -5
There is a mildly concerning trajectory to his career. xwOBA by year: 2018 - .354 2019 - .338 2020 - .333 2021 - .333 2022 - .298 Plus there is the career home/road wRC+ split of 122/98. Too much gets made of the "thin air of Denver" narrative, but I don't think we ever really know how a guy will adjust to very different conditions when they go elsewhere. I'd still bet on him being worth his fairly affordable contract, but there's definitely some downside risk here.
Feel bad for Story. Had like one week of spring training due to him not signing and then the birth of his child. First two months getting ripped apart because of the contract. He's playing in a new league where he has to make adjustments. I think he'll come around, but he may have a down year overall due to his poor start. I am sure he is pressing trying to impress the new fan base....but he is completely lost at the plate right now.
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Post by julyanmorley on May 8, 2022 14:37:05 GMT -5
I'm just thankful Kenley Jansen wouldn't have made a difference in this game.
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Post by manfred on May 8, 2022 14:43:45 GMT -5
2020 was a fake season, you cant count those games. No, it's the 2021 PS run that doesn't count. They finished second in the division. If 2020 had gone the other way, you can bet he'd be saying that that season doesn't count. Why? Maybe they’d win a title if, well, they hadn’t sucked? It is hardly reasonable to say “he hates sucking and complains about sucking but would complain if they were good” — given that my complaint is they are *not* good. Last year was *fine* — but if your idea of success is book-ending a wild card between brutal seasons, you could aim higher. You can say I dismiss the season, but you seem to hold it out as a reason the other two years aren’t so bad.
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Post by taiwansox on May 8, 2022 14:44:00 GMT -5
This is the most unwatchable baseball since August/September 2012. I feel good about the future, but this is testing my pain tolerance for sure lol.
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Post by kjkramer on May 8, 2022 14:49:09 GMT -5
This is the most unwatchable baseball since August/September 2012. I feel good about the future, but this is testing my pain tolerance for sure lol. Future needs to start now. Sell
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Post by incandenza on May 8, 2022 14:55:11 GMT -5
No, it's the 2021 PS run that doesn't count. They finished second in the division. If 2020 had gone the other way, you can bet he'd be saying that that season doesn't count. Why? Maybe they’d win a title if, well, they hadn’t sucked? It is hardly reasonable to say “he hates sucking and complains about sucking but would complain if they were good” — given that my complaint is they are *not* good. Last year was *fine* — but if your idea of success is book-ending a wild card between brutal seasons, you could aim higher. You can say I dismiss the season, but you seem to hold it out as a reason the other two years aren’t so bad. Well here's an inconsistency then - are they ultimately to be judged by their playoff success (as you said upthread), or are they to be judged by their being a good team overall? If you believe the former, then you're denigrating an ALCS appearance by referring to it as a wild card run that was merely "fine."
Unless you legitimately think only a WS title counts as success, in which case you should be a big fan of terrible seasons; they're much better for the team's long-term odds of winning a championship. Imagine this system if it didn't have Whitlock, Mayer, et al. right now. That's all thanks to 2020.
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Post by julyanmorley on May 8, 2022 15:03:02 GMT -5
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Post by pedroiaesque on May 8, 2022 15:03:49 GMT -5
gonna defend Bloom here, these guys have to do better. Their at bats aren't on him. Totally on board with this take. There was always going to be plenty to knock on the decision to give Dalbec and JBJ a chance to prove if they could provide value, but itâs not really his fault that the approaches are bad and Verdugo, Kiké, and Story canât hit right now. To me, it definitely feels like they either need to offensively turn things around quickly or there will be a sacrificial firing (looking at you Fatse). Itâs not like that would actually fix anything, though (sadly).
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Post by radiohix on May 8, 2022 15:05:03 GMT -5
Now watch us roll to a WS title!
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Post by nomar on May 8, 2022 15:06:01 GMT -5
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on May 8, 2022 15:06:44 GMT -5
126-125 in the Bloom era. Better win the next game. I could do without this being a running thing. There are about a million caveats that need to be attached to this measurement for it to fairly reflect the job he's done. Which is to say, it's not a good measurement.
Having said that, if you are brought on as GM specifically to avoid the boom-bust cycle that has bedeviled the franchise for the past decade, it does seem fair to expect you to avoid massive busts.
But having said that, we're still less than a fifth of the way through this season. Still too early to start writing the death certificate.
The last decade did however produce 2 title teams. So its not like the last decade was regretable. I think if you're a true contender you can't 100% avoid busts. Even some of the best deals on the surface can become busts. Trevor Story? We'll see. Its not looking good right now. Maybe they'll have 2nd thoughts about him being the shortstop in 2023.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 8, 2022 15:09:27 GMT -5
Negotiating with them is a pain. I want nothing to do with those idiots after they tried to low ball us during the Mookie deal. They are 3-25 in their last 28 playoff games and act like they’re in some weird sort of position of strength when we talk to them. No, they’ve made their bed. Now lie in it. Do not help these guys.
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Post by soxinsf on May 8, 2022 15:19:43 GMT -5
Another 3 K day for Story. Fun. 93 ABs, 35 Ks. That's Dalbecian. Honestly, I think Bobby needs a trip back down to AAA. I still want to give the power a chance to happen. Story deserves and will get a longer runway than Bobby. Maybe Arroyo is the new RH first baseman. Bobby goes down. Sox find an adequate RH OF somewhere, maybe Davis in the short run. Whenever Casas is ready, other adjustments can be made. At this point, Arroyo is the best hitter among the current possibilities and his defense is likely as as good as or better than Bobby and Franchy.
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Post by juanpena on May 8, 2022 15:34:16 GMT -5
gonna defend Bloom here, these guys have to do better. Their at bats aren't on him. Cora needed a LH pinch-hitter for Dalbec. The options were JBJ and Cordero. He needed a RH pinch-hitter for JBJ in the ninth and had Plawecki. Some of this is absolutely on Bloom.
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Post by incandenza on May 8, 2022 15:34:30 GMT -5
Confessions of a Bloom Supporter
I like Bloom. Just philosophically, I like his approach to building the team. And I think most of his moves have been pretty smart, and often creative. But the conversation about Bloom is polarizing, with some people sort of suggesting he's not to blame at all for the team's performance, and I don't think that's quite right. To wit:
- He made the one sort of move I really loathe: he handed out a big contract to a "Proven Closer." That is almost always a bad wager; relievers are just too unpredictable. And so it has gone with Barnes. Much better, in my opinion, would have been to add two or three additional Diekman/Strahm-tier relievers rather than putting all those eggs in Barnes' basket (which he did, in retrospect, at the absolute and anomalous peak of Barnes' value).
- I, personally, went into this season feeling okay about rolling with Dalbec until Casas was ready, so it's not like I was smarter than Bloom on this one. But of course, it's his job to be smarter than me, and they needed a better backup plan than Shaw, who has been terrible for a while and cost them an incredible half a win in just 20 PAs or something. A professional baseball knower should have been able to see that Shaw was cooked.
- Why not just sign Pham or the equivalent? I'll never get that. My feeling on the Renfroe-for-JBJ trade is like a lot of people's: I liked it in isolation, but it left a gap in the team's offensive profile that he failed to fill. In particular, adding a 1B/OF type to cover at least one of Dalbec and JBJ in the event of hitting futility would have been wise.
- In general, the team has wildly underperformed any reasonable projections for offensive production, and most of that can't be laid at Bloom's feet. But there was a fair amount of downside risk with this lineup going into the season: regression to the mean for Kiké; Vazquez and JDM on the downslope of their aging curves; the aforementioned Dalbec and JBJ... And this on a team that was good-not-great in 2021 (107 wRC+) and let Schwarber and Renfroe go. Story and JBJ are great on defense, which seemed to be Bloom's priority, but boy, it sure would be nice to still have Schwarber around...
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