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5/6-5/8 Red Sox vs. White Sox Series Thread
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 6, 2022 21:57:12 GMT -5
Whelp - we have last place all to ourselves. Huzzah!
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Post by kjkramer on May 6, 2022 22:06:53 GMT -5
Our magic number for runs is 2 or less. I think that is 12 out of 27 games of 2 or less runs. Put a fork in them. The question is.... bridge year or full rebuild?
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Post by julyanmorley on May 6, 2022 22:07:17 GMT -5
Fangraphys says:
27.3% chance of making the playoffs 1.2% division 1.1% World Series
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Post by kjkramer on May 6, 2022 22:09:06 GMT -5
Fangraphys says: 27.3% chance of making the playoffs 1.2% division 1.1% World Series Not catching TB, Toronto, and Houston. Those look like the runaway WC teams after only 27 games
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Post by notstarboard on May 6, 2022 22:09:53 GMT -5
Well to be fair Franchy was hitting for Dalbec. R/L balance was better and he's looked good so far at the plate this year. Bob is usually an automatic out, but he's extra automatic against 95+ mph fastballs. Franchy and JBJ both K'd on nasty pitches too - the ABs were fine. Franchy’s at bat was hopeless. Did he touch the ball? Yes, he pinch hit for another hopeless guy. Why do they have a platoon of utter futility? Year two? The upside is they have time, and I think they can cut the deficit. I mean the one they have with the Orioles. I *think* they can catch the Orioles. Idk, bad swing on a tough pitch 0-1, two good takes on 0-2, K on a painted 98 mph fastball. It'd take a great hitter to do anything with that last pitch. I wish 1B wasn't such a black hole too, but Hendriks is nasty for anyone. 20 K in 12.1 IP this year. I also have belief that Franchy will help dig us out of the hole at 1B if he keeps playing like he is right now. I'm not expecting world beating stuff mind you, but when the floor is .450 OPS and butterfingers at 1B, meh starts looking really good.
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Post by manfred on May 6, 2022 22:17:31 GMT -5
Franchy’s at bat was hopeless. Did he touch the ball? Yes, he pinch hit for another hopeless guy. Why do they have a platoon of utter futility? Year two? The upside is they have time, and I think they can cut the deficit. I mean the one they have with the Orioles. I *think* they can catch the Orioles. Idk, bad swing on a tough pitch 0-1, two good takes on 0-2, K on a painted 98 mph fastball. It'd take a great hitter to do anything with that last pitch. I wish 1B wasn't such a black hole too, but Hendriks is nasty for anyone. 20 K in 12.1 IP this year. I also have belief that Franchy will help dig us out of the hole at 1B if he keeps playing like he is right now. I'm not expecting world beating stuff mind you, but when the floor is .450 OPS and butterfingers at 1B, meh starts looking really good. Franchy’s OPS is .502. He is digging the same direction as the rest of ‘em.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 6, 2022 22:49:03 GMT -5
Q - what are .219, .212, .208, .205, .203, .189, .145 ? They are the batting averages of players getting significant at bats that are not named Devers, Bogaerts or Martinez.
Can't sustain rallies - can't score many runs - with that.
Not going to win many games with that lack of O.
Q2 - what are 2.94, 1.38, 1.25 and 2.86?
They are the ERAs of our starters not named Houck or Pivetta. Combined record 5-3 for the four effective starters, 2-6 for Houck/Pivetta.
Relievers - 3-8 with a zillion blown saves.
What. A. Mess.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 6, 2022 22:55:39 GMT -5
Dalbec cannot be optioned to Worcester because ... it would set back the development of The Precious
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 6, 2022 22:56:01 GMT -5
Q - what are .219, .212, .208, .205, .203, .189, .145 ? They are the batting averages of players getting significant at bats that are not named Devers, Bogaerts or Martinez. Can't sustain rallies - can't score many runs - with that. Not going to win many games with that lack of O. Q2 - what are 2.94, 1.38, 1.25 and 2.86? They are the ERAs of our starters not named Houck or Pivetta. Combined record 5-3 for the four effective starters, 2-6 for Houck/Pivetta. Relievers - 3-8 with a zillion blown saves. What. A. Mess. The defense is kind of lousy too.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 6, 2022 23:00:32 GMT -5
This team will actually be very watchable once Casas comes up, they bring up one of the young catchers, and they trade away some of these vets that aren’t part of future plans.
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Post by curtisw on May 6, 2022 23:06:44 GMT -5
That’s why I want the kids! Watching Duran run is the most fun I’ve had watching the Sox in a week. I was at the game as I mentioned earlier, this was the play that reignited the crowd. After that people were going crazy, really pulling for a come back. Having been down on him, after seeing that and the way Fenway reacted, I think it’s probably time to give the kids the keys a bit more. The way the season is going there is increasingly little reason not to. Just a brutal start to the year. I am trying to figure out if I’ve ever seen a Red Sox team this bad at hitting. Even when they’ve been down in my lifetime (28) they have hit. It’s usually been the pitching. Flummoxing to see the starters holding down the fort while the hitters are among the most futile in the league. Again, I do not think these gaps are fixable really. These are big, fat holes. Holes that are plugged in offseasons, not on the fly. And not when your division is as stacked as ours. Enjoy the small stuff guys. I’m telling ya. Enjoy JBJ gunning guys, enjoy Duran tripling etc etc. That being said LETS GO RED SOX. Quick edit to also say don’t underestimate the putrid luck the Sox have had either. Tonight was no exception, they were rocketing some balls, just usually right at someone, or they inexplicably died at the track, a la the Verdugo track shot
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Post by cdj on May 6, 2022 23:06:45 GMT -5
This team will actually be very watchable once Casas comes up, they bring up one of the young catchers, and they trade away some of these vets that aren’t part of future plans. There are no viable, young starting-caliber catchers. Wong is MAYBE a backup and Hernandez probably isn’t even a catcher
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 6, 2022 23:12:03 GMT -5
If this doesn't turn around soon - what I'd like to see
C - Wong First - Casas Second - Story SS - Xander 3rd - Devers LF - Verdugo CF - Duran RF - Fitzgerald DH - JD
Replace Pivetta with Seabold - Pivetta closes
Say goodbye to or otherwise do something with Kiké, JBJ, Plawecki, Bobby D -
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Post by benzinger on May 7, 2022 1:06:21 GMT -5
Did this team REALLY make the ALCS last year? It doesn’t seem possible.
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Post by bigmarty58 on May 7, 2022 7:40:01 GMT -5
How's the sox new hitting coach doing...
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Post by incandenza on May 7, 2022 8:19:18 GMT -5
Q - what are .219, .212, .208, .205, .203, .189, .145 ? They are the batting averages of players getting significant at bats that are not named Devers, Bogaerts or Martinez. Can't sustain rallies - can't score many runs - with that. Not going to win many games with that lack of O. Q2 - what are 2.94, 1.38, 1.25 and 2.86? They are the ERAs of our starters not named Houck or Pivetta. Combined record 5-3 for the four effective starters, 2-6 for Houck/Pivetta. Relievers - 3-8 with a zillion blown saves. What. A. Mess. The defense is kind of lousy too. Is it? Seems to me they're above average everywhere but SS, 1B, and even at 3B Devers has looked really good this year.
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Post by stevedillard on May 7, 2022 8:35:47 GMT -5
Fangraphys says: 27.3% chance of making the playoffs 1.2% division 1.1% World Series The more relevant would be % of gaining another top 5 pick.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 7, 2022 10:30:30 GMT -5
This team will actually be very watchable once Casas comes up, they bring up one of the young catchers, and they trade away some of these vets that aren’t part of future plans. There are no viable, young starting-caliber catchers. Wong is MAYBE a backup and Hernandez probably isn’t even a catcher Well, Plawecki is cooked and not under contract after this year, might as well find out if Wong is a backup.
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Post by Guidas on May 7, 2022 10:46:32 GMT -5
If this doesn't turn around soon - what I'd like to see C - Wong First - Casas Second - Story SS - Xander 3rd - Devers LF - Verdugo CF - Duran RF - Fitzgerald DH - JD Replace Pivetta with Seabold - Pivetta closes Say goodbye to or otherwise do something with Kiké, JBJ, Plawecki, Bobby D - So straight-up Cincinnati-style tank-job? Didn't we already do that in 2019 and 2020? Meet your Boston Pirates, everybody!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 7, 2022 10:47:57 GMT -5
The defense is kind of lousy too. Is it? Seems to me they're above average everywhere but SS, 1B, and even at 3B Devers has looked really good this year. It seems to me catching is mediocre although Vazquez throws out runners but his receiving and game calling isnt good. Plawecki can't throw runners out at all. Verdugo and Hernandez aren't particularly special in the outfield this season. Hernandez was great last year. I dont think he has been the same for whatever reason and adding Duran to the mix won't particularly help the defense. I think Story hasn't been particularly great. He already made an error that cost them a game with help from his 1b, who apparently has trouble catching throws, which is a big problem. I will say Devers had been a lot better and JBJ is JBJ. I dont think their defense is particularly good. I look at their defense and see a sure handed SS with limited range, a SS with an arm issue playing 2b, a converted 3b at 1b who isn't converting too well, a converted CF in Hernandez, who was fantastic last year, a converted infielder in Duran and an OF in Verdugo who isn't good enough defensively to stick in Fenway's RF. I don't think the Sox defense supports their pitching well.
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Post by manfred on May 7, 2022 10:55:20 GMT -5
Sox better get good Pivetta today. Don’t want to let the Orioles slip away!!
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 7, 2022 10:57:40 GMT -5
If this doesn't turn around soon - what I'd like to see C - Wong First - Casas Second - Story SS - Xander 3rd - Devers LF - Verdugo CF - Duran RF - Fitzgerald DH - JD Replace Pivetta with Seabold - Pivetta closes Say goodbye to or otherwise do something with Kiké, JBJ, Plawecki, Bobby D - So straight-up Cincinnati-style tank-job? Didn't we already do that in 2019 and 2020? Meet your Boston Pirates, everybody! Yeah, I mean we had a good run at it last year. Obviously won in 2018 with this core. But it makes sense to rebuild while the Jays, Rays and Yanks are all going for it. Then ideally we go for it when their farm and financial situations are weakened.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 7, 2022 11:30:44 GMT -5
If this doesn't turn around soon - what I'd like to see C - Wong First - Casas Second - Story SS - Xander 3rd - Devers LF - Verdugo CF - Duran RF - Fitzgerald DH - JD Replace Pivetta with Seabold - Pivetta closes Say goodbye to or otherwise do something with Kiké, JBJ, Plawecki, Bobby D - So straight-up Cincinnati-style tank-job? Didn't we already do that in 2019 and 2020? Meet your Boston Pirates, everybody! I don't see it as a tank at all. I see it as test driving some of the Woosox that would outperform our dead wood. Right now we are watching the definition of insanity
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Post by TearsIn04 on May 7, 2022 11:44:52 GMT -5
This team will actually be very watchable once Casas comes up, they bring up one of the young catchers, and they trade away some of these vets that aren’t part of future plans. There are no viable, young starting-caliber catchers. Wong is MAYBE a backup and Hernandez probably isn’t even a catcher Finding the C of the future in the upcoming fire sale or with our top-10 pick in the 2023 draft should be a priority. Kevin Parada of Georgia Tech and Daniel Susac of Arizona will almost certainly be gone before the RS pick in this year's draft. Logan Tanner of Mississippi State might be available, though. If they make it a priority in the fire sale, they could demand Francisco Alvarez from the Mets or Gabriel Moreno from the Jays. Either one would be an ambitious ask, but the Mets and Jays are hungry to win now. Steve Cohen, in particular, could be seduced by the chance to add a second No. 1 starter (Eo) for the PS. Offer a subsidized Eo and see if either team bites. I'd rather see him go to the Jays to pitch against the MFYs in the PS.
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Post by incandenza on May 7, 2022 12:01:50 GMT -5
Okay, I think the Red Sox are gonna start being good now. Win a bunch of games and such.
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