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5/16-5/18 Red Sox vs. Astros Series Thread
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Post by dirtdog on May 17, 2022 19:40:51 GMT -5
The trickle down effect of ineffective starting pitching or starters that go twice through the lineup is that by July (or sooner) the bullpen is gassed.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 17, 2022 19:42:50 GMT -5
The trickle down effect of ineffective starting pitching or starters that go twice through the lineup is that by July (or sooner) the bullpen is gassed. This, for sure.
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Post by kjkramer on May 17, 2022 19:45:41 GMT -5
Alright guys. I am done tonight with this mess. Maybe we can right the ship tomorrow and steal the series. Off to watch some key election races. Peace out.
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Post by taiwansox on May 17, 2022 19:49:45 GMT -5
Barnes/Brasier time, I think it’s safe for them to come in now
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Post by dirtdog on May 17, 2022 19:53:08 GMT -5
Do the Yankees ever stop playing tomato cans? Who made that schedule.
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Post by incandenza on May 17, 2022 20:01:17 GMT -5
Just tuning in to find an interesting pitching line from Mr. Eovaldi...
The timing for this comment is a little convenient on my part, but... how has he gotten the reputation of a #1? His lowest ERA since 2014 is 3.72. He had a 2.79 FIP last season (leading to a high fWAR) but that looks like an outlier compared to all the other multiverse stats from recent years. All in all, by the numbers through his career he has looked like an injury-prone version of Eduardo Rodriguez. (Who, incidentally, is back to doing exactly what he does every season in Detroit.)
*The 27.5% HR/FB rate this season is ridiculously unsustainable, but his HR rates do tend to be high. I dunno... He's a good pitcher, but not really close to an ace.
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Post by incandenza on May 17, 2022 20:04:00 GMT -5
Oh my god. Dave O'Brien just brought up Youkilis showing up in Moneyball, and while this opens up about a thousand possible interesting lines of questioning, rather than pursuing any of them he goes with: "Your stance sure was different then."
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Post by julyanmorley on May 17, 2022 20:08:43 GMT -5
Just tuning in to find an interesting pitching line from Mr. Eovaldi...
The timing for this comment is a little convenient on my part, but... how has he gotten the reputation of a #1? His lowest ERA since 2014 is 3.72. He had a 2.79 FIP last season (leading to a high fWAR) but that looks like an outlier compared to all the other multiverse stats from recent years. All in all, by the numbers through his career he has looked like an injury-prone version of Eduardo Rodriguez. (Who, incidentally, is back to doing exactly what he does every season in Detroit.)
*The 27.5% HR/FB rate this season is ridiculously unsustainable, but his HR rates do tend to be high. I dunno... He's a good pitcher, but not really close to an ace.
He was great in 2021 and he was great in 2020. No need to look beyond the past year or two for a pitcher, unless you're trying to talk yourself into a rehab case.
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Post by incandenza on May 17, 2022 20:22:52 GMT -5
Just tuning in to find an interesting pitching line from Mr. Eovaldi...
The timing for this comment is a little convenient on my part, but... how has he gotten the reputation of a #1? His lowest ERA since 2014 is 3.72. He had a 2.79 FIP last season (leading to a high fWAR) but that looks like an outlier compared to all the other multiverse stats from recent years. All in all, by the numbers through his career he has looked like an injury-prone version of Eduardo Rodriguez. (Who, incidentally, is back to doing exactly what he does every season in Detroit.)
*The 27.5% HR/FB rate this season is ridiculously unsustainable, but his HR rates do tend to be high. I dunno... He's a good pitcher, but not really close to an ace.
He was great in 2021 and he was great in 2020. No need to look beyond the past year or two for a pitcher, unless you're trying to talk yourself into a rehab case. I dunno, the impression I get from both watching him and the stats is that he's an overpowering pitcher... until he isn't. And when he's not the ball gets hit a mile. xFIP makes him look better than he is given his tendency to give up dingers. xERA was mediocre in 2020 and now 2022. You could make a case for him as a #2, but I don't think you can say he's a top of the rotation starter.
And again, he's peaked at a 3.72 ERA. That is not the be-all-end-all stat, but a great pitcher ought to sometimes wind up at a better number than that.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 17, 2022 20:35:23 GMT -5
Boston with 13 hits, Houston with 12. 4 runs vs 13 runs.
Houston 3-3 RISP. Boston 2-12.
Yet another game that is a microcosm of the season.
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Post by greenmonster on May 17, 2022 20:52:38 GMT -5
If he isn’t on the 60 day DL he needs to be immediately banned from the league for getting carted off, giving pitchers a bad name smdh Apparently just some lower leg discomfort....WTF
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 17, 2022 20:53:32 GMT -5
Is it possible to be sick of lots of a roster? Robles, Diekman, Danish, Barnes, Brasier, Sawamura, Davis - Vazquez, Cordero, Verdugo, Kiké, JBJ, Plawecki, Dalbec, Arroyo - that's 15 out of 26 that I wouldn't take too much time waving goodbye to.
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Post by julyanmorley on May 17, 2022 20:55:01 GMT -5
I kinda get the sense that Odorizzi has been subjected to some intense bullying inside the Astros clubhouse over his his reaction to a mild hammy pull
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Post by dirtdog on May 17, 2022 20:57:55 GMT -5
Is it possible to be sick of lots of a roster? Robles, Diekman, Danish, Barnes, Brasier, Sawamura, Davis - Vazquez, Cordero, Verdugo, Kiké, JBJ, Plawecki, Dalbec, Arroyo - that's 15 out of 26 that I wouldn't take too much time waving goodbye to. Sure and the thing is most of those guys were here last year. Look how far they got. That's why I think Cora did his best managing job last year. The smoke and mirrors isnt working so well this year. This roster is simply not that talented outside of a few.
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Post by sibbysisti on May 17, 2022 21:12:15 GMT -5
The trickle down effect of ineffective starting pitching or starters that go twice through the lineup is that by July (or sooner) the bullpen is gassed. I wouldn't be concerned. Bloom, as he did last year, will find more guys to staff the bullpen.
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Post by incandenza on May 17, 2022 21:18:09 GMT -5
Is it possible to be sick of lots of a roster? Robles, Diekman, Danish, Barnes, Brasier, Sawamura, Davis - Vazquez, Cordero, Verdugo, Kiké, JBJ, Plawecki, Dalbec, Arroyo - that's 15 out of 26 that I wouldn't take too much time waving goodbye to. Sure and the thing is most of those guys were here last year. Look how far they got. That's why I think Cora did his best managing job last year. The smoke and mirrors isnt working so well this year. This roster is simply not that talented outside of a few. If it's the same guys, why is the first quarter of 2022 a better reflection of their true talent level than all of 2021 plus their playoff run?
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 17, 2022 21:27:01 GMT -5
So - is THIS rock bottom?
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Post by greenmonster on May 17, 2022 21:42:59 GMT -5
Looks like Cora's beard is growing back
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Post by benzinger on May 17, 2022 23:13:24 GMT -5
So - is THIS rock bottom? That doesn’t hit until it’s revealed that the players are eating fried chicken and playing video games in the clubhouse during games....and that the manager is hooked on painkillers.
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Post by benzinger on May 17, 2022 23:16:38 GMT -5
Is it possible to be sick of lots of a roster? Robles, Diekman, Danish, Barnes, Brasier, Sawamura, Davis - Vazquez, Cordero, Verdugo, Kiké, JBJ, Plawecki, Dalbec, Arroyo - that's 15 out of 26 that I wouldn't take too much time waving goodbye to. I’m surprised you have 11 guys that you want to keep! My list would probably be Xander, Devers, JDM, Eovaldi, Whitlock & Houck(I might be forgetting someone). You can have the rest.
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Post by cdj on May 18, 2022 0:16:01 GMT -5
The audacity people have to slander Franchy in here smdh. How dare you put him in the same sentence as the human embodiment of a rally killer Bobby Dalbec???
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Post by cdj on May 18, 2022 0:17:05 GMT -5
Sure and the thing is most of those guys were here last year. Look how far they got. That's why I think Cora did his best managing job last year. The smoke and mirrors isnt working so well this year. This roster is simply not that talented outside of a few. If it's the same guys, why is the first quarter of 2022 a better reflection of their true talent level than all of 2021 plus their playoff run? “Yeah but What have you done for me lately?”
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Post by Underwater Johnson on May 18, 2022 8:23:51 GMT -5
Whatever the question, Franchy is not the answer. Fourth highest OPS in the starting lineup.
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Post by manfred on May 18, 2022 9:18:31 GMT -5
Whatever the question, Franchy is not the answer. Fourth highest OPS in the starting lineup. The Titanic had the third best safety record for White Star Line, too.
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Post by kjkramer on May 18, 2022 13:18:24 GMT -5
To make the playoffs (most likely) Sox need to finish 55% (89 wins) minimally to 60% (97 wins). The middle is 94 wins. That is probably going to be the case based on where teams are now. That means the Sox have to go 80-46 the rest of the way to most likely make the playoffs. That is a 63.5 winning percent. That means they basically have to play at a 103 win pace the rest of the waym the magical 2018 team only won 108. They almost have to match that to get in the playoffs. If they do not win 14+ of the next 20 games (70%) to get on track.... they are pretty doomed IMHO.
When does the front office pull the plug? If we are only 50% over the bext 20? Obviously if we are under 50%?
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