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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2022 10:13:41 GMT -5
I'm not trading Brown for Beal, it's why I said request a trade to give us leverage. Theis, White, Grant and Nesmith or something like that, with two picks and a pick swap. I'd say adding another Tatum like guy is the point, another guy that can dribble, create offense and score. Insert that into Imes ball movement offense. Right now it's Brown on one side and Tatum on the other. Beal is the bridge that allows you two guys on one side to play together, while the third guy provides floor spacing. Allowing things like pick and roll with Tatum/Beal, Tatum/Brown and Beal/Brown. That's lethal compared to Smart doing it. Three point shooting comes and goes, live by the three die by the three. Teams going to double and pack the paint if it means leaving Beal wide open versus Horford, Grant or White? If they do you've added much more dribbling and shot create ability to exploit it with ball movement. Which is exactly what this team needs. Is this likely? Nope. It's what I'd like to see if you can make it happen and that likely requires Beal demanding a trade to Celtics so there's no bidding war. Those get crazy, see Holiday. Banking on the Tatum and Beal relationship Same applies for LeBron of course, I just don't see the Lakers moving him and if they did we aren't likely unless he demands to play here, which seems highly unlikely. Are you suggesting that Bradley Beal and Jayson Tatum’s’ shared strengths are dribbling and offensive creation? I wouldn't put it that way, as I think Beal is better at dribbling and going to the basket. Yet Imes system is about multiple people doing it. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 21, 2022 14:07:21 GMT -5
Good news for Thursday - according to many, the draft may be chaos as many teams look to trade.
Bad news for Thursday - slim chance Boston will be a part of it.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 21, 2022 19:56:09 GMT -5
Brad’s final press conference of the season was both obvious and telling.
He talked about Boston’s need to get better offensively. He would like to see them become less stagnant and play out of movement. He said they could use more playmaking. He said the turnovers were what really hurt Boston in the finals. And he said he doesn’t want to add pieces that are going to inordinately shift the team’s identity (ie great defense and the Jays as focal points).
It’s been nice having a competent front office for the last 15 years.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2022 11:12:39 GMT -5
Brad is either going to have to be crazy good hitting on late second round picks/undrafted guy or make a trade for more picks in 2nd round to improve chances. He just has to find a way to add young talent given the way he keeps trading first round picks and that likely doesn't stop. You can't become a LeBron like team with no young talent. There's no reason to have guys like Kornet, Fitts or Morgan on your roster.
If the draft is going to be wild maybe you have a chance to get involved in a trade.
Michael Foster, Alondes Williams, Andrew Nembhard, Johnny Juzang, Moussa Diabate look darn good for late 2nd round. Heck even Scotty Pippen Jr. who frankly looks better than Carson Edwards.
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Post by dangermike on Jun 22, 2022 11:28:48 GMT -5
hornets want hayward out. idc that he always gets injured - hes the exact player we need on this team. can playmake, has size, pushes tatum to be a 3/4 more, gets the ball out of smarts hands more which might help him maximize his time as the primary handler. if gh can be healthy in the playoffs with our core, we have a much better chance to win. wings are the most important position in the nba gimme more wings.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 22, 2022 11:38:48 GMT -5
hornets want hayward out. idc that he always gets injured - hes the exact player we need on this team. can playmake, has size, pushes tatum to be a 3/4 more, gets the ball out of smarts hands more which might help him maximize his time as the primary handler. if gh can be healthy in the playoffs with our core, we have a much better chance to win. wings are the most important position in the nba gimme more wings. I had actually thought about Gordon as a fit on this team. The playmaking without giving up size and defense is obviously intriguing to every contender. The contract and injury make it tough. But I would much prefer to trade say Theis+ and the trade exception for him than a second and the trade exception for Duncan Robinson. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2022 12:56:39 GMT -5
Couple of pre-draft/offseason nuggets relayed by Brian Robb:
1) C's interested in Nic Batum (Chris Haynes)
2) C's interested in GSW's 1st Rd Pick (Heavy.com?)
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2022 13:48:16 GMT -5
To get Hayward you're looking at Theis and White, plus maybe filler. Yet the reason they want to dump him is because he can't stay healthy. We've already seen him miss most of a playoff run. I get it, he'd greatly improve the bench, it's just risky.
I'm not even thinking of taking on Duncan Robinson without getting a first back. Stevens might have played him, Ime would hate his D, he's not close to a fit in a switch everything D. Even if he's a perfect fit for an offensive that creates so many open 3 point shots. Heat moved onto Max Strus because he's a much better defender and he's not even that good.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2022 14:41:52 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 22, 2022 14:42:55 GMT -5
1) C's interested in Nic Batum (Chris Haynes) I'd do that. A bit older than I'd like, but he would fit. Edit: Brown would be a much better fit, but I'm not sure how we'd get him. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2022 14:46:14 GMT -5
Batum is certainly a good fit, even if he's getting close to the age he could fall off a cliff.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 22, 2022 14:52:18 GMT -5
Couple of pre-draft/offseason nuggets relayed by Brian Robb: 1) C's interested in Nic Batum (Chris Haynes) 2) C's interested in GSW's 1st Rd Pick (Heavy.com?) Batum is a great fit if he’s motivated. You figured GSW would sell their pick. I’m sure it will go down to the wire and the team hungriest for the best player available will bite. |
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Post by philarhody on Jun 22, 2022 14:54:26 GMT -5
To get Hayward you're looking at Theis and White, plus maybe filler. Yet the reason they want to dump him is because he can't stay healthy. We've already seen him miss most of a playoff run. I get it, he'd greatly improve the bench, it's just risky. I'm not even thinking of taking on Duncan Robinson without getting a first back. Stevens might have played him, Ime would hate his D, he's not close to a fit in a switch everything D. Even if he's a perfect fit for an offensive that creates so many open 3 point shots. Heat moved onto Max Strus because he's a much better defender and he's not even that good. I can’t stand the idea of Duncan Robinson. What’s better than a one skill, movement shooter on a team with no half court movement? |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2022 19:11:06 GMT -5
Jerami Grant to Portland for a '25 1st rounder (via Mil). Portland also trying to get Anunobi using the 7th overall tomorrow night.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 22, 2022 21:00:28 GMT -5
Jerami Grant to Portland for a '25 1st rounder (via Mil). Portland also trying to get Anunobi using the 7th overall tomorrow night. This is good, get the wings out of the East. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 22, 2022 21:38:35 GMT -5
Couple of pre-draft/offseason nuggets relayed by Brian Robb: 1) C's interested in Nic Batum (Chris Haynes) 2) C's interested in GSW's 1st Rd Pick (Heavy.com?) Jake Fischer (BR) adds that Boston could be willing to listen on GWill or Pritchard to achieve #2. |
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 22, 2022 21:41:30 GMT -5
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Post by mobaz on Jun 23, 2022 7:12:03 GMT -5
Both Woods and Grant were moved for less than anticipated. Could settle in as 3rd best on a good team, which I thought had higher value. Either people love the 20s of this draft or the league is getting a little more conservative on the value of a Best Guy on Bad Team dudes.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 23, 2022 7:27:25 GMT -5
Celtics had Gabe Brown in for a second workout.
Size, shooting, effort on defense. Is this an Aaron Nesmith replacement?
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Post by texs31 on Jun 23, 2022 7:52:50 GMT -5
Both Woods and Grant were moved for less than anticipated. Could settle in as 3rd best on a good team, which I thought had higher value. Either people love the 20s of this draft or the league is getting a little more conservative on the value of a Best Guy on Bad Team dudes. Grant was moved for a '25 1st rounder. That was all about cap flexibility. Having either the room or a TPE big enough to take in Grant w/o matching salaries certainly limited the options. Houston was motivated by clearing the deck for a Sengun/Big from the draft pairing. Not sure if their could've/would've been better offers eventually. |
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Post by mobaz on Jun 23, 2022 8:41:18 GMT -5
theathletic.com/3374595/2022/06/21/nba-draft-guide-2022-top-100/Can't speak for quality, but since we talked about Brugler/The Athletics' draft guide in Pats thread, here's Sam Veceine's NBA draft guide for Athletic subscribers ($). Will be checking it out for whomever we get in the 2nd round since my college knowledge doesn't go much past Top 20. For free, Kevin O'Connor goes deep on Top 50 here: nbadraft.theringer.com/He always does a good job, and basically willed himself to a National/NBA job by supplementing his SB Nation Celtics blog gig with a huge detailed annual guide before they were cool.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 23, 2022 14:13:53 GMT -5
Some "reports" that Boston is interested in trading for Luke Kennard. Also that NYK might be offering Evan Fournier back to Boston (not even sure that's legal, tbh).
So the confusion over the legality seems to stem from whether the rules say that a team can reacquire a player once the season is over or once the league year is over. The distinction here is important (well, only if Boston would be interested which I'd be shocked at) bc Fournier's current salary fits into the TPE but next year's does not.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 23, 2022 14:15:45 GMT -5
I had to take a couple weeks off from Celtics talk. It’s funny how much more painful a finals loss is than a first round exit even though I’m way more encouraged about the future.
If the Celtics want more scoring, which they obviously need, then John Wall may be someone to look at once he’s bought out. I don’t love it but I’d talk myself into it.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 23, 2022 15:14:26 GMT -5
I really wish we had more #NetsPicks
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 23, 2022 15:52:12 GMT -5
If the Celtics want more scoring, which they obviously need, then John Wall may be someone to look at once he’s bought out. I don’t love it but I’d talk myself into it. Hard pass. John Wall is a fuckballer. If you go for that, might as well go all out and get Westbrook who is at least funny bad (I'm jokingly assuming Russ would get bought out too). |
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